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[Tagyhag]

I think you mean Japanese hotel CEO is anti-semitic, OP.

I doubt literally everyone that works for the hotel line has the same thoughts.

And yeah he's trash, but like Chick-Fil-A and In N' Out, it's up to the individual to decide if the actions of the people at the very top are enough to stop doing business with everyone that works there.

 

[Ratrat]

I think you mean Japanese hotel CEO is anti-semitic, OP.

I doubt literally everyone that works for the hotel line has the same thoughts.

And yeah he's trash, but like Chick-Fil-A and In N' Out, it's up to the individual to decide if the actions of the people at the very top are enough to stop doing business with everyone that works there.

I would say yes, given they are putting the books in hotel rooms.

 

[Chinner]

I'm guessing their fans of PewDiePie then.

 

[justjohn]

But remember. Anime!

Yes let's blame over 100m people for this one man's comment. Well done.

 

[Tezzeractor]

It's complicated. I'm 37. We learned that we dropped the bombs, and their awful effects. But we were also told that "it was the only way to end the war"

So we are, or were, sugar coating stuff. And this was New York.

Went to school in the church belt of Southern California. High school history was absolutely an American circle jerk. From what I remember, "...the bombing was bad, but we dropped leaflets to warn them.", and also, like you said, "Only way to end the war."

 

[Violet_0]

You think American and Russian schools own up to their war crimes from that war?

Pretty much only Germans do, and probably even there there is some level of hiding the truth

no, they don't

The bible has got to be the biggest hit piece ever.

Cause "The Jewish Boogeyman" all boils down to they killed jesus

the weird part here is that a Japanese CEO would single out jews in particular. It seems our conspirancy theories have made their way over there as well

 

[Nanashrew]

You think American and Russian schools own up to their war crimes from that war?

Pretty much only Germans do, and probably even there there is some level of hiding the truth

I talked with a German friend of mine recently and their schools can go pretty in-depth on the atrocities they committed. They drill it into you why patriotism can be bad because they are the proof as patriotism can so easily invite fascism.

 

[Tallshortman]

You think American and Russian schools own up to their war crimes from that war?

Pretty much only Germans do, and probably even there there is some level of hiding the truth

Actually American war crimes during the Indian wars, civil war, somewhat WWII, and Vietnam were certainly covered in my public school's curriculum.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

The bible has got to be the biggest hit piece ever.

Cause "The Jewish Boogeyman" all boils down to they killed jesus

2000 years of bigotry towards Jewish people because early Christians were butthurt that some Jews weren't converting to Christianity so they wrote some lies in the New Testament.

 

[Geno Breaker]

Dropping atom bombs wasn't the only way to end WW2, but it was easily the best way. We either did that, blockade Japan and let them starve, continue firebombing them, and/or invade them with the Russians.

But yeah, this dude is a douche, no thanks to Japan's problem with teaching WW2 history.

 

[MagnaderAlpha]

Actually American war crimes during the Indian wars, civil war, somewhat WWII, and Vietnam were certainly covered in my public school's curriculum.

Yeah, we learned all that stuff too. What American school DOESN'T go over our historical flaws? If I was to just toss out a baseless accusation, maybe schools in highly conservative counties and rural areas, though that's just being blown out my ass. Not sure where it was where the history was being taught that slaves were referred to as "migrant workers". Texas?

Given how Russia is now, I wouldn't put it against Putin's regime to erase all the stains of the USSR's past crimes.

 

[ReAxion]

"Look, the jews control everything and they have all the money. I'm not saying that like it's a bad thing!"

 

[xk0sm0sx]

This had been big news in Japan, so most people know the CEO's thoughts are bullshit.

It would be stupid to think this is a common sentiment among the Japanese, like you meet a Trump supporter and thinks the whole US is like that.
There's left wing and right wing factions, just like the US.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

APA Hotels are a large nationwide chain, but their management is also not indicative of Japanese people as a whole at all. The managing company is a bit of a religious cult from what I understand.

Also this is absolutely not true, there are tons of competing nationwide chains. Been all over Japan and stayed in an APA hotel a grand total of one time:

AirBnB on the rise.

No but seriously, it's actually tough. When I went to Japan last year, all of the hotels, including the one I stayed in, were under the APA group. It's really really difficult to avoid, unless you do AirBnB which has a whole other host of problems (But worked like gangbusters for me during my stay).

 

[clarknova156]

Actually American war crimes during the Indian wars, civil war, somewhat WWII, and Vietnam were certainly covered in my public school's curriculum.

Mine as well. Also we meet with holocaust survivers for a two week period for 4 years. We got shown very graphic pictures and had to produce essays on the experience.

All of my friends had similar education. Once you start heading south the education nose dives because of the massive difference between the funding schools receive from the state. In the south unless its football you get jack shit for funding.

 

[wandering]

Japan is a fine country filled with mostly good people, come on.

It's just that the Japanese people that care about politics are all fascists who only care about reliving the war.

No, there exist leftists in Japan.

 

[Claude Augario]

I wonder if we are going to get the same defense force of antisemitism in this thread that the Pewdiepie thread on Gaming side got?

The lying MSM is taking everything out of context!!!

If you perceive anything he's said as anti-Semitic, maybe you're the real anti-Semitics!!!

 

[Instro]

But remember. Anime!

I bet he is a big fan of Angel Cop.

 

[tuxfool]

I went to public school in Japan for a few years, and we learned about the Nanking Massacre in middle school.

We didn't learn about Unit 731 though.

I only said this because I remember reading about it semi-recently, as in a few years ago.

 

[capitalCORN]

No, there exist leftists in Japan.

But somehow the right wing has an almost perfect winning record.

 

[Elandyll]

Says bigotted thing, denies being a biggot, and complains about being portrayed as a biggot, feeling persecuted.

Where have I seen that recently...

 

[wandering]

But somehow the right wing has an almost perfect winning record.

Sure, but that's distinct from saying everyone in Japanese politics is a fascist.

I mean, the Japanese Communist Party has 35 seats in the Diet, that's more than could be said for the US.

 

[Tagyhag]

I would say yes, given they are putting the books in hotel rooms.

Does that mean that every single person that works at the Flamingo is a Christian?

Last time I was there I saw a Bible in my nightstand.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

US here, and while that's true, we don't cover the Chinese and Japanese internment camps that took place in the US. I only got inklings of that in school and didn't learn more about it until I was a junior in college. Beyond dealing with the Native Americans, American educational systems aren't real keen on painting our history in a negative light, especially when it comes to the occurrences of the last 100 years, like civil rights, war crimes, invasions and national segregation.

Im from the US, Alabama of all places and this was extensively covered early on in high school.
Civil Rights was heavy in middle and junior High.
Vietnam throughout high school.
Finally all the bad Native Americans suffered kinda early middle and late high school.

 

[Nanashrew]

Says bigotted thing thing, denies being a biggot, and complains about being portrayed as a biggot, feeling persecuted.

Where have I seen that recently...

Yeah, this is something people have been trying to explain these past few days only to be shot down. This CEO is using the exact same language those shock jock YTers are, and he's an actual anti-semite. What's the difference between those "jokes" and this CEO saying and showing legit anti-semite beliefs and discrimination? There's really not any difference. It doesn't matter if you hold the belief or not, you are still contributing to it.

 

[Spladam]

Sadly, Rape of Nanking, Unit 731 and general Japanese war crime denial is more prevalent than people who don't live there would think. From what I know, that kind of stuff is rarely, if ever, covered in Japanese schools.

Yep, within another couple generations it'll basically be common conception that Japan did nothing wrong during the war. It's real real gross.

Most cultures have a tendency to omit their past transgressions (with the exception of the Germans, they own that shit). But with Japan, shame plays a large role in their cultural history and beliefs, so this is a hard topic over there.

Denial of the massacre is a focus of contention between Japan and China, that and the subsequent selling of Chinese women on the human trafficking market that happened afterwards.

 

[Conan-san]

Amazing what some people think they can (and, sadly, more than likely, will) get away with.

 

[Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order]

Most cultures have a tendency to omit their past transgressions (with the exception of the Germans, they own that shit). But with Japan, shame plays a large role in their cultural history and beliefs, so this is a hard topic over there.

Denial of the massacre is a focus of contention between Japan and China, that and the subsequent selling of Chinese women on the human trafficking market that happened afterwards.

If you live in the west and believe this, i'm going to assume you went to school in backwards ass village.

No one does historical self-hate like the the western nations, even the US, to some extent.

 

[maxcriden]

Holy shit, these guys don't even hide it. The 10% of people in Japan that still long for the days of The Empire are sad as fuck and hopefully will get punched in the face a good bit in their lives.

Don't go to this hotel, please, guys.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/japan-...emarks/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

10%? That's horrifying. Do you have a source for that number or were you being colloquial? Genuinely asking. The story is terrifying either way.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

10%? That's horrifying. Do you have a source for that number or were you being colloquial? Genuinely asking. The story is terrifying either way.

Colloquial, I'm just saying that there's a small but still significant portion of Japanese people that are still stuck in the fascist attitudes of the Empire.

 

[ZSaberLink]

My School did. Hell, I think we might have even read an entire book about it for one class

Yup, I read "Farewell to Manzanar" and learned a lot about Japanese internment in middle school even.

The atomic bomb is very different than the internment though. My understanding was given the cost of American lives estimated for invading Japan (1 million US troops), Truman decided this was the best way to end the war. It's one thing to hear the descriptions of an Atomic bomb, but it had never actually been used before. So while on one hand it was terrible, I can understand why he made that decision.

 

[Tommy DJ]

But somehow the right wing has an almost perfect winning record.

Essentially, that was thanks to the USA. Post-war, a bunch of minority governments were elected. Then the Liberal Democratic Party was created via a merger of two right wing parties and ran on a platform you'd expect from Republicans of the past (pro-USA, free market, social conservatism). With the CIA funding of the LDP and the literal death via katana of the socialist party, that was it for the Japanese left wing.

With the USA basically fueling Japan's post-war economic growth like it did, its no surprise that they stayed in majority power until 1993. Cold War fears and the USA's support for the LDP meant that most people felt safe with the LDP.

Currently? The Japanese left wing parties are pretty ineffectual, old racist rural fuckers having like 2.5x more voting power, and the general apathy of the Japanese populace don't help things. It also doesn't help when the LDP doesn't give a fuck about Japanese Supreme Court rulings regarding the disparity in voting power.

As for Japan's method of handling their past war crimes, that's all on their insular political class. Shinzo Abe isn't going to be anything but a war crime denying prick because that would be literally calling out the actions of his grandfather (a literal slave owner).

 

[maxcriden]

Colloquial, I'm just saying that there's a small but still significant portion of Japanese people that are still stuck in the fascist attitudes of the Empire.

Gotcha, thanks. It is sad and awful that some still think like that.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

You think American and Russian schools own up to their war crimes from that war?

Pretty much only Germans do, and probably even there there is some level of hiding the truth

I think we acknowledged dropping nukes.

 

[FF Seraphim]

Gotcha, thanks. It is sad and awful that some still think like that.

Dude it is super awful. Just picture having a conversation with someone like that. I get one person per week on my train ride into Tokyo bringing that stuff up… It boggles my mind but then I remember the schools do not teach about the bad stuff Japan did during that time.

 

[ScientificNinja]

My late grandmother used to tell me stories about how she survived and escaped Nanking.

She taught me not to hold these crimes against today's generation of Japanese, but denying that it even happened is where I draw the line.

I'm not sure how well I'd control myself if I ever met this asshole in person.

 

[Ogodei]

Japan is a fine country filled with mostly good people, come on.

It's just that the Japanese people that care about politics are all fascists who only care about reliving the war.

Pretty much. You want to talk about a country with a lopsided enthusiasm gap between the left and the right.

Though the Japanese left is basically one 70-year story of disarray and impotence.

 

[Glix]

My late grandmother used to tell me stories about how she survived and escaped Nanking.

She taught me not to hold these crimes against today's generation of Japanese, but denying that it even happened is where I draw the line.

I'm not sure how well I'd control myself if I ever met this asshole in person.

And that is where you Should draw the line. As a Jew I was taught number one no matter what NEVER FORGET. We were told that we would encounter people who claimed it never happend and that once the world believes it never happend it will happen again. So never forgot and never allow someone to deny it.

Your grandmother sounds like an amazing woman.

We were also taught not to hold it against todays germans... but you could tell that in some teachers and adults that they didnt really believe that

 

[Captain Tuttle]

"Look, the jews control everything and they have all the money. I'm not saying that like it's a bad thing!"

They even feel remorse sometimes

http://www.theonion.com/article/worldwide-jewish-conspiracy-worried-it-came-down-t-34815

Fuck this guy and his hotels

 

[TheSaddestSort]

Man that's some grade A bullshit. Will try my hardest not to stay at any of these hotels the next time I go to Japan.

 

[jacobeid]

What the fuck?

 

[Xe4]

Disgusting. Mother fucker should be boycotted (though it seems like it is difficult to in Japan).

 

[Hitlersaurus Christ]

I wish there was a damn Jewish conspiracy. It'd certainly make my wallet a lot fatter, and getting a job in the media would be a hell of a lot easier.

But yeah, the Japanese don't learn much about WW2. I mostly interact with people around my age here and most don't know much about it unless they studied abroad. There's absolute apathy about that part in history though among this generation, and I don't just mean the war crimes. When I've talked about it with friends, it's usually something along the lines of "Yeah, we probably did some fucked up stuff but you guys dropped the bombs which was shitty too. War sucks and we should all be peaceful" or "none of what happened generations ago affects our modern day generation now and there's nothing we can do to change it, so there's no real point in caring about it."

As for Jews, most people just know that Judaism exists and is a well known religion in America, but not what it is or how it's different from Christianity. The country's first major exposure to Jews was a translated version of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion back in the war, so most antisemitism like the hotel guy is probably from proponents of imperialist Japan.

 

[MadJackChurchill]

EDIT: Double Post

 

[MadJackChurchill]

Huh? What the hell Japan.

It's been this way forever. The UK can't talk when the only thing it teaches of our empire is the movie "Gandhi"; in Religious Education class...

But yeah, the Japanese don't learn much about WW2. I mostly interact with people around my age here and most don't know much about it unless they studied abroad. There's absolute apathy about that part in history though among this generation, and I don't just mean the war crimes. When I've talked about it with friends, it's usually something along the lines of "Yeah, we probably did some fucked up stuff but you guys dropped the bombs which was shitty too. War sucks and we should all be peaceful" or "none of what happened generations ago affects our modern day generation now and there's nothing we can do to change it, so there's no real point in caring about it."

That's exactly how many conversations go down. "You (meaning all of the Western world) dropped bombs on us. That's fucked up. We're now the victims and blameless". Remarkable how the generations line works for them, yet Japanese media constantly asks people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki "HOW can America apologise better?"

 

[Tadaima]

Stayed at an Apa Hotel once. Will not be staying again.

 

[Lord of Ostia]

A lot of American schools are no different when it comes to teaching about our own atrocities, both in war times and otherwise. I spent the majority of my school years in the Southern US, where the Civil War is taught as a war fought over states' rights, Booker T. Washington is hailed as a hero while W.E.B. Dubois is looked at skeptically, and Jim Crow, black incarceration, the Japanese Internment Camps and many other issues are basically glossed over. Not excusing Japan, but that's how these sentiments are fostered in the US, so I'm sure it's similar in Japan as well. This CEO is obviously a dick, and denying Japanese atrocities in WWII is reprehensible, but we've got a president who says the same sort of shit and millions who voted for him.

 

[Valkerionseven]

I hate this guy, his comments are so smug about this shit. Even if it is his opinion, his reaction is just a massive jerk.



It really is glossed over in Japanese textbooks for public school. Unless someone specializes or does their own research in history of that era, they probably won't have a general opportunity to learn the gritty details of WW2.

Same with any countries history honestly.

Actually had this come up at one of the schools I teach in about 2-3 months ago when South Korea put a statue of the girl symbolizing the sex slaves, in front of their embassy in Busan.

The kids reaction I understood, the adults though, one that I regard as being extremely intelligent is what took be back a bit. The kids did not understand why people were being so emotional, screaming and crying ect. on camera. Their opinion was it wasn't their generations issue (the people on camera that is) and being that emotional is probably fake to make a point (slightly agree that it might be played up to get their point across) and they did not like that they were saying bad things about Japan, in their eyes it means them too, not the previous generations or government. So a few started saying things like "Well I hate them too!" without knowing anything about the situation, just out of pure reaction.

something something vicious cycle -eyeroll- but thats how this stuff goes. Very sure most of them forgot about it by now lol, they are kids after all.

The adult though she basically brought this up to me and was like its because they don't learn about the war really. They just know it happened and the bombs, thats about it for now. (Junior high school 2nd grade... about 13-14 years old) Then she said she never understands why either. I almost wanted to explain it to her, but kinda just left it at "it was stuff in the past, lets all just be nice to each other now and move on as better people." And this is someone I know is really smart but was kinda the "yup... they really don't learn that much" moment.

It was the same as an American. We learn the brutal details of the war, death numbers, how hard it was ect. But unless you take a university level class you probably miss many of the finer, more disheartening details about the various acts Americans did during our wars. Shit, a lot of the stories about Vietnam, Korean and Pacific really get me depressed when I randomly think about it. But also reminds me why I was taught about it, makes me want the Japanese government to go in more detail about history.

In general history in this country is taught in a very neutered way. Not just WW2 imperial stuff but like... ALL of it. A lot of history and science books are in manga form almost these days. Many comic panels to explain the concept and point, then maybe a few pages of text explanation. It's a pretty cool way to teach I guess. Maybe were the messed up ones for showing so many bodies to kids lol -shrug-

 

[20cent]

Huh? What the hell Japan.

One Japanese guy summarizes an entire country and population? You are closer to that guy than you think.

Man that's some grade A bullshit. Will try my hardest not to stay at any of these hotels the next time I go to Japan.

I went to Japan and I plan to go again.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Sadly, Rape of Nanking, Unit 731 and general Japanese war crime denial is more prevalent than people who don't live there would think. From what I know, that kind of stuff is rarely, if ever, covered in Japanese schools.

Yup, the cultural denial of The Rape of Nanking (imo) is Japan's grossest aspect, in an otherwise really reformed society =