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[Wads]

I loved the episode. Certain points had me laughing out loud. When Morgan reached for those glasses, I remembered someone on here stating "I'd just love to see Morgan get the Intersect", and I lol'ed even harder. When he opened his mouth and said "Guys..." Well, I said it along with him, and laughed some more.

There may have been others, but it appears I was pretty spot on!

Morgan is so damn awesome I almost wish he got intersected just so Chuck and Morgan could kick ass together. Even for just one episode and Morgan not being able to deal with the intersect in his head kind of like the special spy agents.

Speculation on the preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBo7EFuhvuY

Spoiler

Since we see Sarah in the hospital and because it's Sarah, obviously she lives. However, the interesting part will be how she lives. The other guys died instantly. I'm thinking that Vivian just didn't have the heart to go all the way through with it. Just enough to inflict pain. I remember reading an interview with Fedak or Schwartz saying that Vivian would "toe the line" between good and evil and so far she's been nothing but evil since coming into contact with the Ray Wise character... so I hope she comes off this whole evil bit a little. They didn't really show Sarah so I'm really hoping that is it.

I'm also hoping that since the episode seems to be Chuck versus the CIA and fight to save Sarah, that Vivian as villian isn't much of a part of the finale (as in she comes to her senses and realizes she isn't evil).

Anyway, can't wait for next week and I hope it's not the last!!!!

 

[Blue Ninja]

There may have been others, but it appears I was pretty spot on!

I read yours, too, but it was CrankyJay's quote that stuck with me:

i would hope the final scene of the show is morgan getting the intersect and him just have a shit eating grin on his face

Though he was a season too soon. Well, that, and there was no "shit-eating grin". :lol

 

[Solo]

I don't get it, why is Sarah not dead.

No balls in the writer's room.

 

[megashock5]

No balls in the writer's room.

Come on, man. Would YOU watch the show without Yvonne?

Intersected Morgan could be good for laughs, but my problem with it is that we were told that Chuck (and, I assume, Hartley) was special and was a rare case who's brain could handle it.

 

[user_nat]

My problem isn't that she is alive, it's how is she alive. Everyone else shot by this gun dies in seconds. Not only does she survive long enough to get to hospital, but she also survives for days at hospital.
Vivian even asks Chuck how, which would have been a great time for some explanation, but nope.. He just ignores the question.

Whilst ranting, why didn't Chuck just land his parachute on the roof. Could have avoided a potentionally deadly firefight and saved valuable minutes.

 

[The Elite]

My problem isn't that she is alive, it's how is she alive. Everyone else shot by this gun dies in seconds. Not only does she survive long enough to get to hospital, but she also survives for days at hospital.
Vivian even asks Chuck how, which would have been a great time for some explanation, but nope.. He just ignores the question.

Whilst ranting, why didn't Chuck just land his parachute on the roof. Could have avoided a potentionally deadly firefight and saved valuable minutes.

They really should have had a scne with Ellie and Awesome stabalizing her. It's realistic that she could have survived due to the fact that she had two highly trained doctors right there but they needed to establish that. Once she was in the hospital, I can see why they managed to prolonge her life.

No balls in the writer's room.

There's no way that NBC would let them do it.

When they were in the car, after the wedding, I was hoping for an "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" ending. I knew it wouldn't happen but it would have been one hell of a cliffhanger. If they hadn't nearly killed her in the episode prior, they could have ended the season with it though.

 

[CrankyJay]

i would hope the final scene of the show is morgan getting the intersect and him just have a shit eating grin on his face

Holy fuck! Look what I called! Season too soon tho.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

No balls in the writer's room.

Seriously?!? You're calling them out for not killing her? That's not the kind of show Chuck has been, nor would it ever be. Wouldn't fit with the tone at all.

Anyway, I thought it was a fun, but not great, season finale. There were some good moments for sure and it was fun seeing Chuck become a spy without the Intersect. Morgan having it was kind of hilarious, and opens up all kinds of silly possibilities for next year.

I also had a momentary shock when they came back from the commercial break to show the Church, but then they panned down the sign for "Bartowski-Walker Wedding" and I laughed out loud. Casey was great in this episode, and there were numerous geek references throughout. A good, satisfying ending to a solid, but not great season in my opinion.

I'll be ready for the final 13 episodes in the fall. Hopefully they can do some fun and daring things with the show again for the last run, and perhaps provide some sense of closure or wrap up to show. I still enjoy Chuck, and when it's clicking, it's still very good.

 

[Stallion Free]

No balls in the writer's room.

It would have made season 5 completely irrelevant to me.

 

[Solo]

It would have made season 5 completely irrelevant to me.

The lack of will do to anything but keep the status quo has made the show irrelevant for 2 years now.

 

[Cornballer]

More content from last night:

Reviews:
- Sepinwall
- Onion A|V Club
- TV Squad
- IGN

Fedak interviews:
- Sepinwall
- Maureen Ryan
- EW.com

Also:
- IGN interview with Joshua Gomez


A few behind the scenes pics:

 

[Net_Wrecker]

I really hope they don't take the intersect off of Morgan after like 2 eps. We've waited long enough, and I want to see a proper Chuck/Morgan tag team while the veteran "parent spies" Sarah and Casey have to stay in the car for once.

I'm completely ready for a great 13 episode closing season.

 

[Wads]

One thing I found interesting was that Decker called it a "suppression device" so if it's just suppressed doesn't that mean that the intersect is still there in Chuck? Also, don't they still have his dad's laptop?

I'm ambivalent about whether I would like them to keep it out or give the intersect back to Chuck. I think it would be interesting to see dual intersects.

 

[whytemyke]

The lack of will do to anything but keep the status quo has made the show irrelevant for 2 years now.

I kind of agree with you. I just think that if they were to kill Sarah it would have literally opened Pandora's box. You're talking about a whole new story arc that they simply will not be around to tell.

I would have liked to see them push the envelope, but realistically speaking they're not gonna get over a monumental hit like that in 13 episodes of a final season.

I think the finale sets up the last 13 episodes really well, actually. They've got their over-arching story (Who's pulling the strings?) and they've got a major branch they can work with for comedy and side-shows, with the whole Chuck not having the intersect and Morgan getting it. Hopefully the last season of Chuck can give fan service the same way the 8th season of Scrubs did. That's an awfully high goal to achieve, but if it can make it I'll be ecstatic with the show again.


Other thoughts:

-Also, I think my favorite parts of the show are Casey's cold war nostalgia scenes. His shit with Reagan or the "Soooo many Russians!" stuff is hilarious to me. I really think he's the best character in the show when used properly.

-I absolutely loved Timothy Dalton this season. He was just top notch. Even the episodes where I didn't like him were more because of the shitty writing than because of him.

-Mini Anden is smokin' hot. For those that agree you should check out The Mechanic where she plays a pretty damn good whore.

 

[Cornballer]

One thing I found interesting was that Decker called it a "suppression device" so if it's just suppressed doesn't that mean that the intersect is still there in Chuck?

Yeah, I noticed that, too. Maybe just leaving themselves a convenient excuse in case they want to re-intersect Chuck next season?

 

[Deleted member 13876]

One thing I found interesting was that Decker called it a "suppression device" so if it's just suppressed doesn't that mean that the intersect is still there in Chuck? Also, don't they still have his dad's laptop?

I'm ambivalent about whether I would like them to keep it out or give the intersect back to Chuck. I think it would be interesting to see dual intersects.

Suppression device did seem carefully worded. Doubt they still have the laptopn the CIA is sure to have confiscated that. I'm guessing the device is roughly the same as the PSP. While he never got the intersect back on his own after getting tagged by it, he still got a bunch of suppressed flashes so I would think he could potentially brak through those eventually. If they had more than 13 episodes I'd say there's a chance of a Volkoff resurfacing because of it as well but I doubt they'll got there now.

 

[Solo]

S5 needs Jill, Lou, and Bryce.

 

[WascallyWabbit]

did anyone else think that the finale easily could have been 2 hours?

 

[whytemyke]

I also wouldn't mind S5 having a Dark Knight moment where Chuck kinda encounters one of the baddies from the Ring, just to show how far he's come... kinda like when Batman did the bust on Scarecrow. Just helps put things into perspective. But I don't know if this show can do that really well.

I just wish it'd go back to S2 levels of awesome. I still watch eps from S2 and just geek out to 'em. Even the premier, at the end when Chuck walks back on the roof and tells everyone to put their guns down, and Michael Clark Duncan just says, "Your boss... Carmichael? He's gooooood." :lol

 

[Dr.Horrible]

did anyone else think that the finale easily could have been 2 hours?

It probably should have been. It would've probably solved one of my problems with the finale.

 

[Keyser Soze]

More Carina is fine with me

She is basically perfect

I loved her since her Season 1 episode

They could have killed off Sarah, and replaced her with Carina

I am deadly serious

<3

 

[CrankyJay]

Yeah, I noticed that, too. Maybe just leaving themselves a convenient excuse in case they want to re-intersect Chuck next season?

I was thinking that since Chuck has overcome suppression before that it should be easier for him to overcome it a second time.

Some major awesomeness can be had with a Chuck/Morgan dual intersect thing going on.

 

[Solo]

"Your boss... Carmichael? He's gooooood." :lol

Casey's reaction to that was great. That episode also introduced me to Frightened Rabbit.

 

[Spitz]

Where was Jeffster?

Overall i am very glad that there will be a season 5 of Chuck. I want to see what Morgan does with the gift he has now. The Finale was rushed they needed more time to make it Epic.

 

[Silh]

did anyone else think that the finale easily could have been 2 hours?

I was thinking that too. Wish we could've gotten the same finale treatment we did last year.

By the way, what happened to Morgan's arm sling?

 

[Shin Johnpv]

Yeah, I noticed that, too. Maybe just leaving themselves a convenient excuse in case they want to re-intersect Chuck next season?

Last few episodes of S5 sees the intersect duo of Chuck and Morgan kicking ass? I definitely think they went with suppression device on purpose. Just wonder how long it'll take for Chuck to get it back next season.

 

[WascallyWabbit]

I was thinking that too. Wish we could've gotten the same finale treatment we did last year.

By the way, what happened to Morgan's arm sling?

i'm gonna give u my usual Chuck plot answer, don't worry about it

 

[Deleted member 13876]

I was thinking that since Chuck has overcome suppression before that it should be easier for him to overcome it a second time.

Some major awesomeness can be had with a Chuck/Morgan dual intersect thing going on.

He never overcame it, he just got re-intersected by his dad's laptop. He was showing signs of maybe breaking it eventually though.

 

[CrankyJay]

He never overcame it, he just got re-intersected by his dad's laptop. He was showing signs of maybe breaking it eventually though.

Oh snap. Guess I forgot.

 

[Cornballer]

- Chuck EP Robert Ducan McNeill on Fan Concerns About Finale Twist

Fans are in a turmoil this morning following the twist at the end of last night’s Chuck season 4 finale, “Chuck vs. the Cliffhanger”. I had the opportunity to talk with Robert Duncan McNeill, one of Chuck‘s executive producers and the director of the finale. We talked about the finale in some detail, looked back at the previous four seasons, and talked about the future of the show. The full interview will be in this week’s episode of Chuck vs. the Podcast, but I wanted to share this quote from Robbie about Morgan, Chuck, and the Intersect:

I agree with the fans, totally. I think that’s another key to our show, Chuck has to have a unique nature that allows the Intersect to function the way that it has. We’ve established that in the mythology. I don’t think that when we come back in season 5 that we’re going to see Morgan as an Intersect that equals Chuck at all. I think it’ll be a Morgan version of what that does. I think it’s important, like the fans are suggesting, to distinguish that Chuck is special and that he’s the only one that can use the Intersect in the way that we’ve seen it succeed so well in the last four years.

We talk more about that twist, the wedding, the future, the past, and more in the full interview coming your way later this week.

S5 needs Jill, Lou, and Bryce.

Yup. My guess is that Jill is the most likely returnee. Lou probably isn't going to happen, and Bryce is only coming back in zombie form.

 

[Cornballer]

Bilson has a new show that just got picked up, so no Lou for us.

Also:
- E!Online: Chuck Stars Talk "Bittersweet" Fifth and Final Season

 

[Raistlin]

My problem isn't that she is alive, it's how is she alive. Everyone else shot by this gun dies in seconds. Not only does she survive long enough to get to hospital, but she also survives for days at hospital.
Vivian even asks Chuck how, which would have been a great time for some explanation, but nope.. He just ignores the question.

Whilst ranting, why didn't Chuck just land his parachute on the roof. Could have avoided a potentionally deadly firefight and saved valuable minutes.

Who said everyone was dead in seconds?

 

[Spitz]

Just completed the Soundtrack for season 4 of my Chuck Music Collection. This season had once again great music to explore for me.

Most played track in my iTunes is Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - Beat the Devil's Tattoo followed by Jeremy Messersmith - A Girl a Boy and a Graveyard and Naked & Famous - Young Blood so far.

 

[CrankyJay]

Who said everyone was dead in seconds?

She was also surrounded by at least 2 doctors. The others were just left for dead on the floor.

 

[megashock5]

The lack of will do to anything but keep the status quo has made the show irrelevant for 2 years now.

I do see what you're saying, to a point. I thought S4 would start with them working for themselves instead of the CIA. Still had fun through most of this season though.

More Carina is fine with me

She is basically perfect

I loved her since her Season 1 episode

They could have killed off Sarah, and replaced her with Carina

I am deadly serious

<3

Sarah>>>>>>Ellie>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Carina

I, too, am deadly serious

 

[trineo_feo]

This finale was awesome. You guys are crazy.

 

[Keyser Soze]

This finale was awesome. You guys are crazy.

It was good, but not great. It would have been a great midseason ep, but as a finale it was lacking imo.

It had little to tidy up, as everything after episode 13 was rushed due to late NBC decisions. It was a good attempt at tying up all the new plotlines they started for EP14 onwards, but those plot lines were forced due to ordering of the back nine episodes.

The only main selling point of the finale was saving Sarah, and a really good finale would have had tighter ties to other episodes that came before. Chuck has done much better in previous seasons, when it had the chance of building to finale with foreknowledge of when the season would end right from the get go

NBC cannot order a back nine for season 5, or the show will end on a low. If they are even considering it, they need to tell the writers right now.

 

[bathala]

average finale for an average season.

r they really married since Morgan is not technically a priest right? He is equivalent of Roger from American Dad

 

[Raistlin]

She was also surrounded by at least 2 doctors. The others were just left for dead on the floor.

That's what I'm saying. The others didn't necessarily die immediately. They were unconscious, slipped into a coma, and then died ... over some period of time.

In her case, she had some help and was immediately brought to a hospital.

average finale for an average season.

r they really married since Morgan is not technically a priest right? He is equivalent of Roger from American Dad

You can get credentials to marry online quite readily. At that point, as long as the participants paperwork is submitted to the state - it's all good.

 

[Infinity]

average finale for an average season.

r they really married since Morgan is not technically a priest right? He is equivalent of Roger from American Dad

I just took it as he got ordained online, or something to that effect.

 

[Screaming_Gremlin]

NBC cannot order a back nine for season 5, or the show will end on a low. If they are even considering it, they need to tell the writers right now.

Don't think you need to worry about that. Per an interview with Bob Greenblatt.

TVLINE | You only ordered 13 episodes of Chuck. Any chance you’ll increase that number?
I don’t think so. Unless suddenly we have 10 million viewers watching it on Friday night, then it would.

 

[X-Frame]

Wow, loved the episode. Just so damn funny. I love love love Morgan and Casey. Busted out laughing so many times.

 

[gdt]

Solid finale. The "no intersect Chuck" boat sailed long ago, and he's lost it like 74 times recently.

Still, I was happy for Chuck and Sarah, and Morgan and Casey were awesome as always. Bring on the final season!

 

[CrankyJay]

Need a Morgan and Casey spinoff show. Throw it on WB if you must. I will watch.

 

[Cornballer]

Don't think you need to worry about that. Per an interview with Bob Greenblatt.

Yup. He brought it up again in a Q&A session yesterday:

Question: Is there any chance NBC will pick up a full season’s worth of episodes for Chuck‘s final season, or is the 13 episodes set in stone? —Emily
Ausiello: It’s set in stone — unless, as NBC president Bob Greenblatt told me over the weekend, there are “suddenly 10 million viewers watching it on Friday night.” For his part, exec producer Chris Fedak is operating under the assumption that the episode order is locked. “It certainly feels like Episode 13 will be the finale of the show,” he tells me. “And the good thing about that is it allows us to design the season around those 13 episodes. And to know how much time we have will really help us crack that season.”

Question: Will either Linda Hamilton or Timothy Dalton be back for Chuck‘s final season? —Deb
Ausiello: “If I’m clever and can figure out [a way to write them in] I’d love to have them back on the show,” says Fedak. ” Timothy and Linda were amazing.”

 

[BankaiZaraki]

Yup. He brought it up again in a Q&A session yesterday:

The 10 million viewers on Friday night..This intrigues me..Are they going to move Chuck from Monday's to Friday's now?

 

[Cornballer]

The 10 million viewers on Friday night..This intrigues me..Are they going to move Chuck from Monday's to Friday's now?

Yes, it is confirmed to be in the 8pm slot on Fridays this Fall.

 

[aparisi2274]

The 10 million viewers on Friday night..This intrigues me..Are they going to move Chuck from Monday's to Friday's now?

 

[legend166]

I'm surprised people didn't like the finale.

I thought it was great. And the combo of Morgan getting the intersect/the team going solo should have happened at the end of Season 3.

 

[Incendiary]

That said, it does raise some continuity issues. If someone like Morgan can handle the intersect, does that somewhat invalidate that Bryce gave it to Chuck specifically because he was supposedly one of the few that could manage it? Will Chuck give his Governor watch to Morgan to keep him from losing his mind? There've been a lot of details about how special the intersect is supposed to be built up over the years and it feels like a lot of them are being glossed over now.

Remember, when Bryce gave Chuck the Intersect in the beginning, it was Intersect 1.0 and kind of a prototype. I'd assume they hadn't worked the kinks out yet. It's been four years (give or take) since the original Intersect was implanted in Chuck's brain, they've obviously modified it a great deal. So I can plausibly see later models of the Intersect being more compliant with more brains. That's kind of a fan-warp on it, though, so I'd like to see them actually address it in the final season.

And after reading the rest of the thread, other people have brought this up, but I'm still gonna post it anyway.

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I really liked the finale. Timothy Dalton was amazing as always. "I'm going to run away now." I don't think the twist at the end made the show jump the shark. Honestly, I'm liking the idea of Chuck, Casey, and Sarah being the experienced spies and Morgan going haywire. I feel like it's kind of fanservice and kind of Morganservice, because Morgan's been the little sidekick that could for most of the series and at this point, I love the character so much that seeing him have the opportunity to finally do all the awesome stuff he's wanted to do...yeah, I can't disagree with it.

I hope they bring back Decker as the Big Bad for the final season, or at least the strongarm for the Big Bad. He really worked as a good set-up for next season, but I'd like to see him back as a nemesis.

Jill and Shaw need to come back, as well as hopefully the Ring leader (because Mark Sheppard is always awesome, and I feel like they underutilized him as a Big Bad in season 3). I don't want all of the last season to be bringing back old villains, but I feel like all of them have possible stories to be revisited.

I'm hyped for the final season. I can't wait, and I'm glad we get a definite conclusion to Chuck. I'm so glad we don't have to go through ratings turmoil anymore. Now I only have to go and worry about Fringe.