Circana June 2025: #2 Death Stranding 2 #3 Mario Kart World #10 Rune Factory ; Switch 2 sold 1.6M, Mario Kart retail + bundle 82% attach rate (~1.3M)

adamsapple said:
Just noticed FF16 is the 4th best selling Xbox game despite being a 2 year old port and being shadow dropped without any prior marketing / pre-order cycle.


GG Square, hopefully they learnt keeping games locked to a platform was bad for them.
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It doesn't look like 16# on Xbox for one month means a lot of sales though, it didn't chart in the overall chart
 
adamsapple said:
Shoulda hit backspace and erased your post right there.



No, that was Alinea extrapolating data based on the number of user reviews left on the FF16 Xbox page. Their guy confirmed that over social media.
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So you only reference them when they provide more positive Xbox news then? Or negative PlayStation news?

Trying to keep up over here.

adamsapple said:
Close to 2 million now going by this.


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Thread '[Alinea Analytics] How well have Xbox games on PlayStation been selling so far? It differs - Sea of Thieves 1.8 million, Hi-Fi Rush 137k'

It's undeniable: Xbox is now a third-party publisher. Games that would have once been siloed on Xbox consoles are now on Steam and evenPlayStation.


This is fantastic for gamers (more people can enjoy Xbox games) and Xbox devs (their art reaches more people). But it's also great – no,critical – for Xbox. The brand has frankly been struggling on the console front due to stagnating Xbox Game Pass numbers.


Xbox's plan was always to shift from a box to a brand, and we're almost there. More and more Xbox games are coming to PlayStation, includingsome big ones next month with Forza...
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Let's hope it's not 22k.

Although it's 2 year old game, that's a very low figure in its first week of sales on a new platform. With ~30 million sales.
 
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Steve Holt said:
So you only reference them when they provide more positive Xbox news then?
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Yeah funny how things can change between April and June in light of finding out how they actually do their estimates.


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Go_Ly_Dow said:
Xbox is absolutely dead christ, being outsold by the Switch 1 is just madness.








I am a big Kojjma fan, enjoyed DS1 and also a Sony Pony, so I have no interest in seeing DS2 flop or reason to be one of these supposed "haters".

Whilst I don't think DS2 has been a flop at all, I am part of the camp that believes it has underperformed.

I am interested in this subject because I only play single player narrative focused games like DS2 and yet despite the critical acclaim and weight behind the title it is struggling to break into the mainstream and the audience appears to be becoming more niche for these games.

I think this is why some are interested in commenting on its sales figures. We are alarmed by the trend and how all the gaming hours is getting sucked up by things like GAAS and a handful of titles. The newer kids on the block just ain't interested.
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I'm right there with you. I believe that traditional games are underperforming, we're seeing AAA companies doing mass layoffs, restructuring their businesses, selling off assets piecemeal, etc but people want to pretend everything's fine and the numbers are good. We don't even know the real numbers, but I don't believe they are that good relative to prior years; being a top 5 seller in 2025 doesn't carry the weight that it used to when all the money and time is being sucked up by GAAS that don't report their numbers at all. I like traditional games and I don't want them to fail, but to me it looks like there's a downward trend. I'm not celebrating anything, just acknowledging what I'm seeing. People seem to want to make this a political or moral issue but to me it's just game sales YOY and trying to form a more complete picture of where the industry is headed
 
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adamsapple said:
Yeah funny how things can change between April and June in light of finding out how they actually do their estimates.


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Whatever their metrics - entering at number 4, for a new release on the Xbox chart doesn't sound good here bud.

FH5 which has been freely available on GamePass for many, many years has re-entered at number 6 after all.

Respect the hustle though.
 
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Steve Holt said:
Whatever their metrics - entering at number 4, for a new release on the Xbox chart doesn't sound good here bud.

FH5 which has been freely available on GamePass for many, many years has re-entered at number 6 after all.

Respect the hassle though.
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What can I say, FH5 is the vastly superior product of the two. :messenger_peace:
 
The Devil's Grocers said:
I'm right there with you. I believe that traditional games are underperforming, we're seeing AAA companies doing mass layoffs, restructuring their businesses, selling off assets piecemeal, etc but people want to pretend everything's fine and the numbers are good. We don't even know the real numbers, but I don't believe they are that good relative to prior years; being a top 5 seller in 2025 doesn't carry the weight that it used to when all the money and time is being sucked up by GAAS that don't report their numbers at all. I like traditional games and I don't want them to fail, but to me it looks like there's a downward trend. I'm not celebrating anything, just acknowledging what I'm seeing. People seem to want to make this a political or moral issue but to me it's just game sales YOY and trying to form a more complete picture of where the industry is headed
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Pretty much.

I want to see traditional narrative games succeed. Especially great games like DS2 made by a legendary game creator.

I find it odd some think this kind of view has some other agenda or console war shit tied to it.

It's just an exercise trying to make sense of the modern gaming audience, industry and market and whether or not the kinds of games I enjoy have a future or not in their current form.
 
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Zathalus said:
The first game took almost 1.5 years across both PS5/PC to cross 5 million sold. It only reached number 7 in the NPD sales chart for its release month and dropped off completely in December.
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Context of no.7 during DS1 launch month
1. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2019
2. Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order^
3. Pokémon Sword*
4. Pokémon Sword and Pokemon Shield Double Pack*
5. Pokémon Shield*
6. Madden NFL 20
 
pulicat said:
Context of no.7 during DS1 launch month
1. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2019
2. Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order^
3. Pokémon Sword*
4. Pokémon Sword and Pokemon Shield Double Pack*
5. Pokémon Shield*
6. Madden NFL 20
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It released much earlier in the month vs 2 and it also completely disappeared from the sales charts after that. Plus the fact it took the PC release and 16 months to get to 5 million sold. It clearly wasn't a sales juggernaut. So I'm not sure how anyone can claim Death Stranding 2 is a flop, when looking at how the first game performed.
 
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Death Stranding 1 sold around 5 million copies, DS2 is not going to sell that much 3.5 max by 2030 and with a budget like there is no way that game breaks even, but let's let the cult stay in their delusions and celebrate under selling a game that came out in 2021.
 
L*][*N*K said:
Death Stranding 1 sold around 5 million copies,
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No it didn't. It sold significantly more.
DS2 is not going to sell that much 3.5 max by 2030
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Oh? How much did the game sell so far? How well is the PC release going to go?
and with a budget like there is no way that game breaks even, but let's let the cult stay in their delusions and celebrate under selling a game that came out in 2021.
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Wow! You know the budget? How much was it?
 
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xenosys said:
Death Stranding 2 is going to die a quick death. It's #2 on the monthly but doesn't feature on the yearly top 20.
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It was only on sale for like 7 days in June

Buuuut I think by EOY it still won't be top 20. Too many sales bangers ahead (DK, Pokémon, BL4, 2K26, NFL/NCAA) and behind us. I also think MGS3 remake will outsell it if it's well done.

We are pretty good in 2025 tbh
 
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Anything to be learned from Cyberpunk going from 420 to 18 on overall chart with it's Switch 2 full-game-on-cart launch? Is that good... to send a message about game key cards or third parties on S2? Sigh, it's likely copium.
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
...although some of the game pricing, Game Key stuff and that one Switch 2 demo being a $10 game were pretty dumb gaffes.
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As someone who has spoken about not buying a physical game key title, I think it IS a niche issue. Physical collectors are a niche now and most people just buy something and deal with it.

The $10 game thing sucks, but it really isn't an issue either, like if you don't like it then don't buy it, I know I certainly didn't.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
That's an interesting way to put it, and I think it's accurate. It also makes it SIE's Hellblade 2, in a sense. Which at least market performance-wise, might give us a good barometer to measure against, though with a multiplier since more well-known talent is involved with DS2.

Quality-wise tho DS2 easily sails well over Hellblade 2 many times over. It's an actual game, for starters. And they did expand on the original's scope and improved many mechanics, versus HBII's regression in basically every area but visual compared to its original.
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It's kind of a prestige title yes. But I think the thing that a lot of people are missing here is:
1) Both games are sequel titles to arthouse hits that launched at increased pricing and not on their original systems (gen gap between PS4/Xbox One and PS5/XS), people WILL bounce off series, even good ones for any kind of reason.
2) Hellblade 2 probably got fucked over badly being on GP day 1 AND on Xbox only when its "home audience" was the PS4. Microsoft really needs to figure out how 1P titles should be positioned on GP. They shouldn't be guaranteed to be day 1, and they certainly shouldn't be guaranteed to stay on there everyday.

thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
Still think it's gonna win GOTY at TGAs tho. Geoff won't let his best friend go home empty-handed.
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I think E33 is the current frontrunner now, the narrative is too good to not win, sort of similar to Astro Bot last year.

I think getting a nomination will be a boost to the game. This idea that games never sell after the 1st month.
adamsapple said:
The franchise name still has prestige, and it's up to Square to sort it out before it loses all of it for the next numbered entry.

They probably don't have the balls to do a full turn based game like Expedition 33, or do give a numbered title to a pixel art game with a big budget.
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There was a poll that released earlier this month (I think it happened in Japan), and it showed that FF fans have the average age of 38, that's a decade away from grandfatherhood age tbh, so the idea of FF being a franchise that reliably sells millions and millions of copies is probably dead now.

They are better off putting those resources into a new title with similar ethos and creature designs and charting a new path. And I say this as a die-hard FF fan (9 being my all-time fave).
 
Zathalus said:
No it didn't. It sold significantly more.
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No it didn't, less than 1.5 million, do you need to be an expert with inside to know a AAA first party game that currently looks like the most advanced graphics in any console game and the cast is all Hollywood mega stars, even the characters that are not played by Hollywood mega stars are modeled after Hollywood mega directors yeah that game has a massive budget?
 
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So, yeah, June US Nintendo Switch 1 hardware unit sales jumped by more than 25% compared to May.
 
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L*][*N*K said:
Death Stranding 1 sold around 5 million copies, DS2 is not going to sell that much 3.5 max by 2030 and with a budget like there is no way that game breaks even, but let's let the cult stay in their delusions and celebrate under selling a game that came out in 2021.
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It was at 5 million copies by mid 2021, across PS and PC. Between the directors cut and steep discounts, it would have sold much more by now.
 
LordOcidax said:
*No digital sales included (Bundle copies). Is #1 by a country mile easily.
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Are they still not including digital for Nintendo? What's even the point of these lists then? Are everybody just pretending that they don't see that gigantic elephant standing there in the middle of the room?
 
Fess said:
Are they still not including digital for Nintendo? What's even the point of these lists then? Are everybody just pretending that they don't see that gigantic elephant standing there in the middle of the room?
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Digital sales on the eShop are counted for almost every publisher. Nintendo will not share digital data for their own games with any tracker though - not Famitsu, not Media Create, not Gfk-Tracker, not Circana. Unfortunately that is what it is, the trackers can/t do anything about it except make a note about the missing data where applicable.
 
LakeOf9 said:
Digital sales on the eShop are counted for almost every publisher. Nintendo will not share digital data for their own games with any tracker though - not Famitsu, not Media Create, not Gfk-Tracker, not Circana. Unfortunately that is what it is, the trackers can/t do anything about it except make a note about the missing data where applicable.
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Yeah but people are still talking about what's #1,2,3,4 etc… Celebrating and congratulating "wins" ???
It's all fake. Makes the whole list pointless. Or the ranking at least.
 
LordOcidax said:
For an exclusive…. is a flop.
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True, but also it's a damned walking simulator with hollyweird actors attached to it in an era where people don't care about hollyweird actors anymore, so it has everything going against it, story is wacky as hell, "gameplay" is there if you liked the first one, if you didn't, well it's a waste of money to even think about buying a used copy and it can't just rely on the pretty graphics alone to sell to a wider audience 🤷‍♂️
 
EN250 said:
True, but also it's a damned walking simulator with hollyweird actors attached to it in an era where people don't care about hollyweird actors anymore, so it has everything going against it,
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It's also a Kojima game. So it has that going against it. His words, not mine:

"If everyone likes [your work], it means it's mainstream. It means it's conventional. It means it's already pre-digested for people to like it." "I don't want that," Kojima reportedly told Lemoine.
 
leo-j said:
The original sold 5 million copies by 2021, and hit 20+ million players (post release to ps plus and directors cut re release) , although you can argue subscription downloads don't really count as sales, you can also argue the game is well past 5 million copies sold, which isn't that niche.

I WILL ARGUE:

GAAS is killing the big epic single player game. Hence why no growth over the first game seemingly. Spider-Man 2 , god of war rag, horizon 2, TLOU all imo have suffered a similar fate. Sorry but single player games sales for anything not on Nintendo is tragically down dramatically gen over gen, despite quality, and despite marketing. This is why Sony and others are so focused on GAAS.
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But Spiderman 2 is the 20th BEST selling game of 2025. It came out in 2023!!!!
 
leo-j said:
Spider-Man 2 , god of war rag, horizon 2, TLOU all imo have suffered a similar fate. Sorry but single player games sales for anything not on Nintendo is tragically down dramatically gen over gen, despite quality, and despite marketing. This is why Sony and others are so focused on GAAS.
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With Sony barely sharing any sales numbers, if any, this is a BOLD statement.
 
MSduderino said:
It's also a Kojima game. So it has that going against it. His words, not mine:

"If everyone likes [your work], it means it's mainstream. It means it's conventional. It means it's already pre-digested for people to like it." "I don't want that," Kojima reportedly told Lemoine.
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Well, he's right, a walking sim is not and never will be mainstream and the wacky story for the sake of it, is not really easy for the mainstream to click with, so I guess he got what he wanted, a niche, divisive sequel incapable to beat the sales of the first game, cool if he's OK with that, Sony got scammed twice tho :pie_roffles:
 
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