BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I wonder how these charts would look if they had stuff like REPO and Schedule 1 accounted for.
Circana June 2025: #2 Death Stranding 2 #3 Mario Kart World #10 Rune Factory ; Switch 2 sold 1.6M, Mario Kart retail + bundle 82% attach rate (~1.3M)
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LordOcidax
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The game sold 1.32 Million first month, including bundles, and physical managed to climb to the third spot. According to reports from France the 70% of Switch 2 sales are bundles… A vague estimate is ~Between 250K~300K physical in June.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Doom clinging to #16 in year sales so far with no death stranding 2 piercing top 20?
Are we concerned about DS2 yet? Flop? Right guys? Right?
Are we concerned about DS2 yet? Flop? Right guys? Right?
LordOcidax
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Astray
Member
Nintendo killing it again.
I blame the $70 price tag tbh.
Lots of new AAA games had big breakout numbers this gen with price tags below $70.
I don't think when these games are greenlit with over 100m dollar budgets the consensus is it's about a "Amazon delivery guy" so our expectations are lower…
Both of these games are meant to be profitable. Very silly argument.
I doubt we will get a 3rd death stranding if this game doesn't pick up in sales, because again, companies shoot to make a profit.
Mr Moose
Member
Death Stranding took 1 year and 5 months to hit 5 million sales.
LordOcidax
Member
Some people trying to make the low sales to look like is part of a plan and expected is impressive indeed.
Cool?
Mr Moose
Member
So they have higher expectations than Doom, obviously.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah, the sales of FF XVI, FF7 Rebirth and now DS2 signals a clear trend, PS can no longer get third party single player games into big heights, they have built an audience of live service players, gone are the days of PS1, PS2, PS3 and even PS4 who could deliver single player hit after hit, especially for third party exclusive games on the PS, Square Enix games did so terrible as exclusives on the PS5 that their console gaming segment just had huge losses for years.
Kacho
Member
Really depends on their expectations. Sony's samey PS4 sequels have sold less this gen and I'm expecting the same here.
A PC port down the line will help but it will sell less there now that the novelty is gone. I wonder if a Switch 2 port would be possible and how well it would do.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The problem with that is that for DS2 to make sense, they're gonna need to port DS Director's Cut to Switch 2 as well.
And if they do that, then releasing DS2 shortly after is just going to nuke it from the expected burnout and the two games being practically interchangeable.
Kilau
Member
They should start with the first game, it would certainly perform well on the hardware.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Both SM2 and GoWR started fantastically with way less consoles around and I'm sure will outsell first games eventually. Even R&C Rift Apart in the end went above R&C remake on PS4.
The narratives against realities in this sales threads on GAF is something to truly behold.
Kacho
Member
I'm sure it's inevitable if they ported it to the Xbox. The chill vibe of the gameplay fits portable play, but not sure if it would play well with digital triggers.
PropellerEar
Member
Also just to show Xbox game sales are down the gutter.
Ff16 landed #4 on Xbox chart but didn't even crack top 20 for Junes chart.
They don't buy games but love to cry about exclusivity
Also their concern about DS2 sales is massive and growing.
Kacho
Member
You being sure of the future doesn't make it a reality right now.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
So I've seen Matt's comment about DS2 and all that, but it doesn't change my POV that it's underperforming relative the first game. Being #26 for the year and underperforming compared to DS1 don't have to be mutually exclusive things.
What I'm more curious about, is if DS2's performance is indicative of SIE's multiplatform strategy starting to catch up with them. By that, I mean gamers who can notice a pattern in timing of these ports, and are deciding they don't need to play these games Day 1 on PS5 if they can wait six months for a PC version (in DS2's case, most likely), or a year later which might be the case for an Xbox version (and potentially as a Game Pass deal).
There might be a sizable group of people who are interested in eventually playing DS2, but if they're on PC or even Xbox, then they already know the first one is on their platform, so chances are the sequel will be there shortly. Their interest might not be Day 1 level, hence they know they don't need a PS5 to play the game since the probability is very high it'll be on their system in due time, and they're fine with waiting. They've got games like E33, Nightreign, Counterstrike 2, GTA Online, Schedule 1, DOTA 2, Fortnite, Roblox, even stuff like Forza Horizon 5, or Mario Kart World to tide them over not to mention plenty of other games.
And this is where I think PlayStation's reliance on FOMO over having genuine exclusives is going to start causing some big damage over time. Most gamers aren't as stupid as these companies want to pretend; when something's done long enough, people pick up on patterns and adapt their habits around that. I would say what's contributing to DS2 underperforming isn't even just the release pattern of the first game, but a combination of SIE's other ports to other platforms (already touched on that a moment ago), and a bizarre lack of marketing for the game from SIE & KojiPro, like in terms of television or film trailer adverts. Feels like all the marketing's been focused on Youtube trailers to the PlayStation channel and virtually nothing more; I saw way more adverts on TV for Metaphor than I have Death Stranding 2 and that is crazy!
Launch month? Probably at least 5 million...I think it was ~ 1.2 million in Japan the first week alone and they were doing ~ 200K every other week in the month. So that's about at least 3.2 million between US & Japan for June (or through July 5th as I think that was the tracking period end date for month of June for Circana).
Very easy to assume ~ 5 million globally at the low end for all other markets combined. Right now I have to imagine it's around 8-8.5 million units, or will be by the end of this month. Even if they slow down to 2 million worldwide every other month of the year, they'll hit around 18 - 18.5 million by EOY, which is absolute insanity.
What I'm more curious about, is if DS2's performance is indicative of SIE's multiplatform strategy starting to catch up with them. By that, I mean gamers who can notice a pattern in timing of these ports, and are deciding they don't need to play these games Day 1 on PS5 if they can wait six months for a PC version (in DS2's case, most likely), or a year later which might be the case for an Xbox version (and potentially as a Game Pass deal).
There might be a sizable group of people who are interested in eventually playing DS2, but if they're on PC or even Xbox, then they already know the first one is on their platform, so chances are the sequel will be there shortly. Their interest might not be Day 1 level, hence they know they don't need a PS5 to play the game since the probability is very high it'll be on their system in due time, and they're fine with waiting. They've got games like E33, Nightreign, Counterstrike 2, GTA Online, Schedule 1, DOTA 2, Fortnite, Roblox, even stuff like Forza Horizon 5, or Mario Kart World to tide them over not to mention plenty of other games.
And this is where I think PlayStation's reliance on FOMO over having genuine exclusives is going to start causing some big damage over time. Most gamers aren't as stupid as these companies want to pretend; when something's done long enough, people pick up on patterns and adapt their habits around that. I would say what's contributing to DS2 underperforming isn't even just the release pattern of the first game, but a combination of SIE's other ports to other platforms (already touched on that a moment ago), and a bizarre lack of marketing for the game from SIE & KojiPro, like in terms of television or film trailer adverts. Feels like all the marketing's been focused on Youtube trailers to the PlayStation channel and virtually nothing more; I saw way more adverts on TV for Metaphor than I have Death Stranding 2 and that is crazy!
Launch month? Probably at least 5 million...I think it was ~ 1.2 million in Japan the first week alone and they were doing ~ 200K every other week in the month. So that's about at least 3.2 million between US & Japan for June (or through July 5th as I think that was the tracking period end date for month of June for Circana).
Very easy to assume ~ 5 million globally at the low end for all other markets combined. Right now I have to imagine it's around 8-8.5 million units, or will be by the end of this month. Even if they slow down to 2 million worldwide every other month of the year, they'll hit around 18 - 18.5 million by EOY, which is absolute insanity.
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Kilau
Member
If I didn't have $40 of PSN money saved up from the stars program I would have waited for the PC version and I love DS. I don't want Sony to stop PC ports but living on timed exclusives, console or otherwise is going to bite them in the ass.
Steve Holt
Member
And IIRC Kojima said himself he was satisfied.Piscatella's comment on IB about DS2 sales perf:
With divisive game like this, which isn't for everyone that's probably is pretty good, considering it's competing with third party publishers, releasing on everything, in that list.
Need more divisive games like this imo.
tkscz
Member
We never actually got told which third party said that as the quote actually said A third party studio, not multiple. I'd assume Sega as I don't see Yakuza on the list and never see it in top selling digital either.
The game has to sell over 8 million units to break even and that's at full price. Until it reaches that point without a sell, it's still losing Ubisoft money. Whether you want to consider it a flop or not is up to you.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
It's a repeated cycle on GAF.
We're hearing SONY DOOMED SALES BAD malarkey with every new release, then actual numbers chime in (including Sony's own earnings) and it turns out that almost everything was an eleborate bs where people were desperately trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
yogaflame
Member
If Square was wise they should have ported it to S2 instead.live footage of square enix prepping for another game to port to Xbox like ff16.
Astray
Member
Don't you know that games only sell as much as the last public update tells us? Once they say it's 3m then it can never be 3m+1.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Xbox is absolutely dead christ, being outsold by the Switch 1 is just madness.
I am a big Kojjma fan, enjoyed DS1 and also a Sony Pony, so I have no interest in seeing DS2 flop or reason to be one of these supposed "haters".
Whilst I don't think DS2 has been a flop at all, I am part of the camp that believes it has underperformed.
I am interested in this subject because I only play single player narrative focused games like DS2 and yet despite the critical acclaim and weight behind the title it is struggling to break into the mainstream and the audience appears to be becoming more niche for these games.
I think this is why some are interested in commenting on its sales figures. We are alarmed by the trend and how all the gaming hours is getting sucked up by things like GAAS and a handful of titles. The newer kids on the block just ain't interested.
Ds2 bitter and jealous haters age like milk.
I am a big Kojjma fan, enjoyed DS1 and also a Sony Pony, so I have no interest in seeing DS2 flop or reason to be one of these supposed "haters".
Whilst I don't think DS2 has been a flop at all, I am part of the camp that believes it has underperformed.
I am interested in this subject because I only play single player narrative focused games like DS2 and yet despite the critical acclaim and weight behind the title it is struggling to break into the mainstream and the audience appears to be becoming more niche for these games.
I think this is why some are interested in commenting on its sales figures. We are alarmed by the trend and how all the gaming hours is getting sucked up by things like GAAS and a handful of titles. The newer kids on the block just ain't interested.
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Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Nope, see my reply above.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Just noticed FF16 is the 4th best selling Xbox game despite being a 2 year old port and being shadow dropped without any prior marketing / pre-order cycle.
GG Square, hopefully they learnt keeping games locked to a platform was bad for them.
GG Square, hopefully they learnt keeping games locked to a platform was bad for them.
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Kacho
Member
Based on everything we have, Death Stranding 2 has underperformed in every market so far. I wouldn't expect a massive turnaround but I wish you the best.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Probably? I think it's basically cemented at this point. They've been in this business as a platform holder longer than anyone else and it shows, in a good way.
...although some of the game pricing, Game Key stuff and that one Switch 2 demo being a $10 game were pretty dumb gaffes.
That's an interesting way to put it, and I think it's accurate. It also makes it SIE's Hellblade 2, in a sense. Which at least market performance-wise, might give us a good barometer to measure against, though with a multiplier since more well-known talent is involved with DS2.
Quality-wise tho DS2 easily sails well over Hellblade 2 many times over. It's an actual game, for starters. And they did expand on the original's scope and improved many mechanics, versus HBII's regression in basically every area but visual compared to its original.
Gamepass?
Probably Nintendo contributing to that surge TBH. New Switch 2 owners without NSO accounts making new ones? That'd be my guess.
It's unfortunate because DS2 is probably the better game overall, but combination of timed pseudo exclusivity + virtually no big marketing + already somewhat niche concept = market sales underperformance.
Still think it's gonna win GOTY at TGAs tho. Geoff won't let his best friend go home empty-handed.
Ar¢tos
Member
So many people with no taste at all.
Maybe it's the fact that every character in that game has the face of a blowup sex doll that makes it sell.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The franchise name still has prestige, and it's up to Square to sort it out before it loses all of it for the next numbered entry.
They probably don't have the balls to do a full turn based game like Expedition 33, or do give a numbered title to a pixel art game with a big budget.
kaizenkko
Member
In two weeks Sony will present the official reports for the first quarter of 2025 (ending in June), so it won't be long before we know the real sales scenario and whether or not they met the publisher's expectations.
I imagine sales are within expectations. Other than that, some people in this thread will do everything they can to convince themselves that this game was a failure.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Didn't FFXVI only sell like 22K copies on Xbox?
Ar¢tos
Member
I would prefer any of those options to what they are doing now!
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Oh you sure had your fun with silly PSN charts stats until Circana's actual data shattered the whole narrative with reality.
I don't see any reasonable (and non-derailing) way to continue this charade until some more verifiable numbers will drop again.
Steve Holt
Member
Sold 22k as of June 16, in 1 week of release according to the Alinea Analytics guy.
Sold 3 million in 5 days for PS5.
GG Square!
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Kacho
Member
Wat.
LordOcidax
Member
The Circana data just confirms is not doing so well actually, at the end of the year or in a few months is going to be out of the top 30.
Mr Moose
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Shoulda hit backspace and erased your post right there.
No, that was Alinea extrapolating data based on the number of user reviews left on the FF16 Xbox page. Their guy confirmed that over social media.
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