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Civilization V |OT| of Losing My Religion, And I Feel Fine...
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Mr. Spinnington
Banned
if it weren't for the steam web browser i wouldn't know my inbox was still receiving mailthetrin said:
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Cday said:
Ah, cool. When does that come out?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
...and yet still no regenerate map. :<
frankthurk
Member
I'm seeing a weird issue where my trade deals are ending early, sometimes after 1 turn.. which is cool when they give me money for a resource then next turn I can trade it to them again... but yeah doesn't seem quite right. Anyone else seeing this?
dream
Member
Yeah, it's not a D2D exclusive or anything. It'll probably go live for everyone within the hour.
edit: and there it is - http://store.steampowered.com/app/16867/
edit: and there it is - http://store.steampowered.com/app/16867/
platypotamus
Member
Yep, if you D2D people didn't see the email, you should be able to log into your D2D account for the serial now. Just c/p it into steam, and download away.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
If this new patch is up, how is it for people who were frustrated with the game before? The main complaint I hear is that pursuing a peaceful victory doesn't work in this game because of the ridiculous AI, has that been helped at all?
Pachucuti - The Inca
Great Andean Road - Units ignore terrain costs when moving into any tile with Hills. No maintenance costs for improvements in Hills; half cost elsewhere.
Unique Unit - Slinger (replaces the Archer)
Tile Improvement - Terrace Farm (farm on a hill)
Isabella - Spain
Seven Cities of Gold - Gold bonus for discovering a Natural Wonder (bonus enhanced if first to discover it). Culture, happiness, and tile yields from Natural Wonders doubled.
Unique Unit 1 - Tercio (musketman replacement)
Unique Unit 2 - Conquistador (replaces knight)
The music for Inca is nice and their settler unit has a freakin llama.
225 Turns in and Napoleon hasn't expanded or talked any shit. Caesar has been bullying Alexander the whole game but that's it.
Great Andean Road - Units ignore terrain costs when moving into any tile with Hills. No maintenance costs for improvements in Hills; half cost elsewhere.
Unique Unit - Slinger (replaces the Archer)
Tile Improvement - Terrace Farm (farm on a hill)
Isabella - Spain
Seven Cities of Gold - Gold bonus for discovering a Natural Wonder (bonus enhanced if first to discover it). Culture, happiness, and tile yields from Natural Wonders doubled.
Unique Unit 1 - Tercio (musketman replacement)
Unique Unit 2 - Conquistador (replaces knight)
The music for Inca is nice and their settler unit has a freakin llama.
mattiewheels said:
225 Turns in and Napoleon hasn't expanded or talked any shit. Caesar has been bullying Alexander the whole game but that's it.
mattiewheels said:
New patch is fantastic. I ran for a culture victory on King with China. (yes, China for a culture victory) I played a huge map, 12 civs, 24 City States, on continents; settled two cities and got busy friending everyone. The feedback for the AI's stance toward you is great. The Iroquois were listed as 'Afraid', and it lists why. They coveted my land, and were afraid of my tech lead. It makes friending the AI a lot easier because you can see what they are thinking.
Also, good ol' Napoleon got patched right up. He pursued a cultural victory at first, but then saw I was beating him Policy wise, so he switched to space race it seemed. No war mongering civ in my whole game. There were skirmishes, but everyone seemed to play nice. A few civs got taken out early, but by separate powers so there was no runaway AI.
The adjustments to meritocracy, the forbidden palace, happiness caps on Colosseums and Theatres, along with Maritime CS nerfs make Infinite City Spam a poor choice. Also, making you adopt social policies and use free tech's immediately prevents the beeline problems when combined with some additional requirements in the Tech tree tying up era changing techs.
Overall, this patch has restored my interest entirely with Civ V. I was bored (120 hours before the patch) as victories, even on Immortal were dry and repetitive. I got to the point of enforcing my own made up rules to make things more interesting requiring roads between all of my cities before I built a new one for instance (think triangle trade routes, City A connects to B and C by separate roads). This patch has brought back the challenge and tactics I thought were missing. Now if only they would stop with this overpriced DLC and just start working on a proper expansion.
dream said:
Well, that was for discovering it first. There are only 7, and they are spread across the map. So, it encourages beelining to Optics to maybe snag some undiscovered cross-ocean landmarks, but most will have been discovered already. I like the idea of encouraging the Spanish to explore.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Sounds great, I'll have to get this from the Steam sale now.
Human_Shield
Member
qwerty2k said:
I have it, but I've never been able to get it to run (graphics are all screwed up). But don't let my experience be your word on the matter, I'm sure other people have gotten it to run great.
.marvelharvey
Member
This patch has finally made the game fun. There's a couple of nerfs that I disagree with, but overall Civ5 has been vastly improved. I'll have to cross this off of my 'most disappointing games of 2010' list.
What Mac do you have? I've a 17inch i7 MacBook Pro and Civ5 runs at about 30fps with every graphical setting at minimum. Running in Bootcamp on the other hand, I've a much better frame rate, high screen resolution and some settings on medium.qwerty2k said:
Liking the diplo tweaks in particular. I can see points of contention and such with the AI, but they're not reduced to crude +/- indicators. I like the clarity the new changes have brought, but I also like that there is still a factor of ambiguity in this.
I just discovered the "show tile yield when Worker selected" option, it's very handy for supplying that clusterfuck of information only when I need it. I can go about other tasks without all those icons wallpapering the view, and without ticking the yield info on and off every turn like a maniac.
I just discovered the "show tile yield when Worker selected" option, it's very handy for supplying that clusterfuck of information only when I need it. I can go about other tasks without all those icons wallpapering the view, and without ticking the yield info on and off every turn like a maniac.
ErasureAcer
Banned
Civ IV hours logged...who the hell knows, way too many.
Civ V hours logged...12. Game is garbage.
Civ V hours logged...12. Game is garbage.
Earthstrike
Member
People will love the new A.I. and whatnot, but the patch broke the game further insofar as I'm concerned. (well somewhat, making cities harder to capture is pretty much an incredibly stupid thing). (This is from a MP POV).
To the person who asked, I would recommend 4 over 5.
About the info on the new civs.
Inca Pachacuti
Unique Ability: Great Andean Road
Units ignore terrain costs when moving into any tile with Hills. No maintenance costs for improvements in Hill; half-cost elsewhere.
Unique Unit: Slinger
Cost: 70, Moves: 2, Range: 2, Ranged Strength: 6, Strength: 2
One of the first available ranged Units, this Incan Unique Unit replaces the Archer. The Slinger is no more powerful than the Archer, and is even more fragile if subjected to a melee attack. However it possesses a promotion that gives it a good chance to withdraw to the rear before an enemy melee attack can occur.
Unique Improvement: Terrace Farm
The Terrace Farm can only be built on hills and does not need a source of fresh water to do so. It provides additional food for each adjacent mountain.
Spain - Isabella
Unique Ability: Seven Cities of Gold
Gold bonus for discovering a Natural Wonder (bonus enhanced if first to discover it). Culture, happiness, and tile yields from Natural Wonders doubled.
Unique Unit: Tercio
Cost: 140, Moves: 2, Strength: 18
Dominant military Unit of the Renaissance Era. Only Spain may build it. This Unit has a higher Combat Strength than the Musketman which it replaces, as well as the Bonus vs Mounted (100) promotion. However it is also more expensive to build.
Unique Unit: Conquistador
Cost: 150, Moves: 3, Strength: 18: Requires: 1 Horses
Renaissance Era unit that specializes in scouting and colonizing overseas (can found a city on a different continent). Only Spain may build it. Replaces the Knight.
To the person who asked, I would recommend 4 over 5.
About the info on the new civs.
Inca Pachacuti
Unique Ability: Great Andean Road
Units ignore terrain costs when moving into any tile with Hills. No maintenance costs for improvements in Hill; half-cost elsewhere.
Unique Unit: Slinger
Cost: 70, Moves: 2, Range: 2, Ranged Strength: 6, Strength: 2
One of the first available ranged Units, this Incan Unique Unit replaces the Archer. The Slinger is no more powerful than the Archer, and is even more fragile if subjected to a melee attack. However it possesses a promotion that gives it a good chance to withdraw to the rear before an enemy melee attack can occur.
Unique Improvement: Terrace Farm
The Terrace Farm can only be built on hills and does not need a source of fresh water to do so. It provides additional food for each adjacent mountain.
Spain - Isabella
Unique Ability: Seven Cities of Gold
Gold bonus for discovering a Natural Wonder (bonus enhanced if first to discover it). Culture, happiness, and tile yields from Natural Wonders doubled.
Unique Unit: Tercio
Cost: 140, Moves: 2, Strength: 18
Dominant military Unit of the Renaissance Era. Only Spain may build it. This Unit has a higher Combat Strength than the Musketman which it replaces, as well as the Bonus vs Mounted (100) promotion. However it is also more expensive to build.
Unique Unit: Conquistador
Cost: 150, Moves: 3, Strength: 18: Requires: 1 Horses
Renaissance Era unit that specializes in scouting and colonizing overseas (can found a city on a different continent). Only Spain may build it. Replaces the Knight.
speculawyer
Member
I picked it up being a quest-whore. And damn . . . it is a nice looking game.
And lots of nice touches . . . I love the quotes it given when you invent new technology. The maps are beautiful. And little whales frolicking in the water.
And lots of nice touches . . . I love the quotes it given when you invent new technology. The maps are beautiful. And little whales frolicking in the water.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Yeah, coming in and trashing without giving reasons is lame.
Got this and loving it right away so far, my fears of it being just a notch in depth above Civ Rev are gone. One thing I always wondered with every Civ game is if just going in order with research, straight down the list, is what most people do? Or is there good strategy in skipping around and getting some done before others?
Got this and loving it right away so far, my fears of it being just a notch in depth above Civ Rev are gone. One thing I always wondered with every Civ game is if just going in order with research, straight down the list, is what most people do? Or is there good strategy in skipping around and getting some done before others?
Earthstrike
Member
Willy105 said:
Actually the response from the MP community was that the game should not have been released without functioning multiplayer. They have patched it up somewhat but the effort players put in to play MP now is practically dead. In general the new york steam region server had about 10-20 games up at any given time after 1 week from launch. In just 3 weeks from that point in time, it dwindled down to approximately 6, and now stands at 1-6 depending on time. This because the mp community has some serious gripes about MP which I'll go into below.
I'm not going to touch up on the actual network and p2p coding itself, which prevents about 50% of games launching.
Some of the main problems with the game mechanics:
French is currently the most powerful civ for duels. The culture bonus it gets is pretty much equivalent to 40 free hammers per city.
Workers take way to long to build and improvements take too long to get up. I'm speaking in terms of the quick game setting btw. Fact of the matter is, with the liberty social policy you can get a settler quicker than a worker, and you will get more from that extras city's population point than you will from the worker in the long run. In civ IV it was generally the case that you would want approx 1.5 workers per city. In this game, although its nice to have about 1 worker per city, you get the cities out first then the workers, and this takes a fair amount of time despite getting you more production in the long run.
There's also a debate about whether or not tile improvements should offer more in terms of hammers. (pasture +2 hammers instead of +1). This would again be to increase the value of workers.
Another big problem is all happiness resources give the same amount of happiness despite some requiring more advanced tech to access. If you have gems, gold, and silver near you, and your opponent has cotton, silk, and sugar, you have a pretty large advantage given that the standard tech path of animal husbandry -> mining -> bronze working -> iron working will also get you the happiness resources. (not to mention great tiles if you want to do some kind of rush).
Greece is pretty overpowered in ancient although I haven't seen what the horsemen nerf has done to the comp cavalry. (pretty sure they're still second best civ in ancient).
On that note, all this talk of online MP is kind of putting me int he mood for an mp game. If anyone in gaf is interested in playing some civ 5 MP (and not this pussy a.i. shit) add me on steam. Steam Name: Earthstrike.
Earthstrike
Member
dream said:
Well, most things I say are from a MP point of view and not SP. In MP you end up space constrained since planting a city to close to your enemy can get you killed and you need workers to chop forests to get out settlers faster as well as build roads to maintain your army. 1 worker per city was the general consensus a lot of the "top" players had for some time.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
I have a save from pre-patch where I was going for a 1 city Gandhi cultural victory. Will be interesting to see how it shapes up post-patch.Lyphen said:
Laurentius
Member
I may pick up this game if it goes on sale during the Steam Holiday sales. (I seem to have missed the previous sale...)
I played about 50 hours of Civ IV, and really lived. I felt like I just scratched the surface, though. Part of me just wants to dive back into that game (once I have some free time somday!) and part of me wants to get into Civ V. Some of the changes look great, but some kind of concern me. For example, I think I'll miss religion (not a deal breaker or anything, though). I like the idea of better combat, but has it become too much of a focus? Is it too difficult to play a game with as little emphasis on warfare as possible?
Anyway, I don't even know if it'll go on sale! But if it does, talk me into/out of it, GAF!
I played about 50 hours of Civ IV, and really lived. I felt like I just scratched the surface, though. Part of me just wants to dive back into that game (once I have some free time somday!) and part of me wants to get into Civ V. Some of the changes look great, but some kind of concern me. For example, I think I'll miss religion (not a deal breaker or anything, though). I like the idea of better combat, but has it become too much of a focus? Is it too difficult to play a game with as little emphasis on warfare as possible?
Anyway, I don't even know if it'll go on sale! But if it does, talk me into/out of it, GAF!
I only see Civ 4 on sale. Got it today to play it. And man, I wish it was Civ V.
From what I have read here, it seems the balancing problems of Civ V can get on the nerves of the more experienced and in-depth players, but otherwise Civ IV is just less appealing in it's presentation. Very unintuitive and slow, but great music.
But I'm sure this opinion will change as I get more used to it.
Maybe Civ V can get a patch that has the best of both worlds.
From what I have read here, it seems the balancing problems of Civ V can get on the nerves of the more experienced and in-depth players, but otherwise Civ IV is just less appealing in it's presentation. Very unintuitive and slow, but great music.
But I'm sure this opinion will change as I get more used to it.
Maybe Civ V can get a patch that has the best of both worlds.
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