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[Fitz]

Definitely does sound like your graphics card is over heating, getting screen artefacts is a big indicator of this. Try running some temp monitoring program whilst playing the game, preferably something that can log to file if you're going to crash before you can check, something simple like GPUZ will do the job.

 

[Jinfash]

Definitely does sound like your graphics card is over heating, getting screen artefacts is a big indicator of this. Try running some temp monitoring program whilst playing the game, preferably something that can log to file if you're going to crash before you can check, something simple like GPUZ will do the job.

God I was hoping it wouldn't be a case of overheating, but thanks for the tip, I'll try that.

 

[jonnyp]

Ugh, first time Civ player and Steam user here, and I've been running into game-freezes almost 50% of the time. I hope someone can shed some light on what I'm doing wrong as I've failed on correctly googling a solution.

I'm playing on a brand new Asus RoG G73jh - i7 720 - 1GB ATI 5870 - 8GB ram

Started steam, updated my drivers, and fired up the game for the first time. Cranked all the video settings high to test how my computer would perform.

The first game I tried was on a huge map (as suggested by my long time civ-fan friend).

The issue: after playing for a few minutes, during which everything was going on smoothly, some graphical anomalies started appearing, like weird tearing effects in parts/tiles/buttons when highlighted, then the screen started flickering, seconds later the screen went black, and the sound was stuck on a high pitched effect. Obviously, I couldn't do anything about it other than hard rebooting my machine.

Next try: went with default video settings, loaded up my save on the huge map and started playing. A couple of minutes later: same thing thing happened, only this time it wasn't a dark screen but horizontally striped with all shades of gray, just to annoy me more I presume.

I've read many online accounts about issues with the game and yet most were crashes to windows, which isn't what I'm facing here.

Some of the more popular solutions that were suggested:
- Skipping the intro video to avoid the game crashing on upon start up and during the video (haven't had a problem with this)
- Playing the game in DX9 mode (I've tried many demanding X10 and 11 games without any problems)
- Avoiding huge maps as they more susceptible to running into game-breaking bugs (understandable, and hopefully will be fixed soon)
- Lowering the resolution (was 1080) or playing in windowed mode. (again, haven't had any problems with that resolution when playing demanding games).

I have no problems with trying any of these fixes, but since my machine isn't that outdated and was purchased merely 4 months ago, the most important thing I'd like to know is how common this particular issue I'm facing is, and whether it's on my end (hardware or driver issue) or a game bug that is hopefully going to be addressed int the future?

Obviously I'm hoping for the latter, if this is caused by my machine's shortcomings I'm gonna be heartbroken.

Edit: Sorry for all the rambling, hopefully some of this made sense and could inspire someone to offer some much needed help. I'd really appreciate it.

No-one can play huge maps and marathon time in this game without endless end-of-turn times and other glitches. It's happening to the most powerful PC's on the market today. It's horribly coded and optimised at this point, not to mention all the other game breaking bugs that it still has.

 

[sadaiyappan]

Have they released a patch for this game? I bought it a while back and I was able to go into lobbies/create games but when I try to launch, the game freezes.

 

[rabhw]

God I was hoping it wouldn't be a case of overheating, but thanks for the tip, I'll try that.

Before getting too caught up in if it's a hardware issue:

http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?87763-DX10-11-graphics-freeze-DX9-works-ok

There's an 11 page thread of people having game freezes (including myself) when playing in DX10/11 mode. DX9 mode works fine, it's a game issue, assuming this is what's happening to you.

You mentioned you'd be willing to try playing in DX9 mode, you should try and at least see if it freezes there also, if it doesn't it's probably the above issue.

 

[Jinfash]

I'm not very experienced in what's acceptable and what's not in terms of GPU temps, are these numbers too bad? this is what I got when I tried running the game with GPUZ in the background (and yes, it froze again).

        Date        , GPU Core Clock [MHz] , GPU Memory Clock [MHz] , GPU Temperature [°C] , Fan Speed [%] , GPU Load [%] , Fan Speed [RPM] , GPU Temp. #1 [°C] , GPU Temp. #2 [°C] , GPU Temp. #3 [°C] , VDDC [V] ,



2010-12-01 16:34:42 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.5   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:43 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:44 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:45 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:46 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.0   ,            62.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:47 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:48 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:49 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:50 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:51 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:52 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:53 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:54 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.5   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:55 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:56 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:57 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.5   ,            62.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:34:59 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:00 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.5   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:01 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:02 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:03 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:04 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:05 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.5   ,            61.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:06 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:07 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:08 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:09 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:10 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            61.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:11 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:12 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:13 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:14 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:15 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:16 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:17 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:18 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:19 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:20 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:21 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.0   ,            61.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:22 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:23 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:24 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            56.0   ,            65.0   ,            61.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 16:35:25 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               65.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            55.5   ,            65.0   ,            62.0   ,  1.150   ,

Before getting too caught up in if it's a hardware issue:

http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?87763-DX10-11-graphics-freeze-DX9-works-ok

There's an 11 page thread of people having game freezes (including myself) when playing in DX10/11 mode. DX9 mode works fine, it's a game issue, assuming this is what's happening to you.

You mentioned you'd be willing to try playing in DX9 mode, you should try and at least see if it freezes there also, if it doesn't it's probably the above issue.

Ahhhh, that's good to know. That link made my day, thanks man.

 

[Fitz]

EDIT: Um, having said that, the GPU load is constantly 0, it doesn't look like this was going whilst the game was running, unless I'm completely misreading it. I can't really say if 65 is high for a laptop to be idling at, I don't have much experience with gaming laptops.

 

[Jinfash]

EDIT: Um, having said that, the GPU load is constantly 0, it doesn't look like this was going whilst the game was running, unless I'm completely misreading it.

ugh, I'm gonna try this again. I think I may have pasted the wrong part of the log (it's bigger than what the character limit allows).

 

[Fitz]

Right, I just tried running GPUZ myself (I usually use MSI Afterburner), and it didn't seem to be recording GPU load, as in it didn't go above 0%, although that could be because I'm using a new card and it might not be supported yet. In any case the temperature was recorded fine.

 

[Jinfash]

Well, I tried playing another game and it went smoothly for about 20 (which is far more than the previous attempts), and these are the latest number I logged before the game froze :\

2010-12-01 17:44:54 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            74.5   ,            89.5   ,            84.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:44:55 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               88.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            74.5   ,            88.5   ,            84.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:44:56 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            89.0   ,            84.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:44:57 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            89.0   ,            84.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:44:58 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            74.5   ,            89.5   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:44:59 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            74.5   ,            89.0   ,            84.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:00 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            90.0   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:01 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            89.5   ,            84.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:02 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            89.5   ,            84.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:03 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               90.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            89.5   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:04 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               90.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            89.5   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:05 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            90.0   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:06 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               90.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            89.5   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:07 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            89.5   ,            84.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:08 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            89.5   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:09 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            90.0   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:10 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               90.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.5   ,            89.5   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:11 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.5   ,            89.5   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:12 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            76.0   ,            90.0   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:13 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            89.5   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:14 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            89.0   ,            84.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:15 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            89.5   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:16 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            90.0   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:17 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               89.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            90.0   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:18 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               90.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            90.0   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:19 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               90.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            90.0   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:20 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               90.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.5   ,            90.0   ,            85.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:21 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               88.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            75.0   ,            88.0   ,            83.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:22 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               84.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.5   ,            84.5   ,            81.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:23 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            74.0   ,            86.0   ,            82.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:24 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            74.0   ,            86.5   ,            82.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:25 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.5   ,            86.0   ,            82.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:26 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.5   ,            86.0   ,            82.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:27 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.5   ,            86.5   ,            82.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:28 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               87.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.5   ,            86.5   ,            82.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:29 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.5   ,            86.0   ,            82.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:30 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.0   ,            86.5   ,            82.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:31 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.5   ,            86.5   ,            82.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:32 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.0   ,            86.0   ,            82.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:33 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.5   ,            86.5   ,            82.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:34 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.0   ,            86.5   ,            82.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:35 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.0   ,            86.0   ,            82.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:36 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.0   ,            86.0   ,            82.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:37 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.0   ,            86.0   ,            82.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:38 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.0   ,            86.5   ,            82.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:40 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.0   ,            86.0   ,            82.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:41 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.0   ,            86.5   ,            82.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:42 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            73.0   ,            86.0   ,            81.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:43 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            72.5   ,            86.0   ,            82.0   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:44 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               85.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            72.5   ,            85.5   ,            81.5   ,  1.150   ,

2010-12-01 17:45:45 ,              700.0   ,               1000.0   ,               86.0   ,          30   ,          0   ,             -   ,            72.5   ,            85.5   ,            82.0   ,  1.150   ,

Again, if someone could clarify whether those numbers are considered very high and consequently usually result in overheating-related game freezes, I'd appreciate it.

From now until this is somehow solved, I'm gonna play on DX9 mode :\

 

[erpg]

That is very high, but I'm not sure what is par for the course on "gaming laptops".

 

[Jinfash]

Under normal circumstances the temp floats around 65c, so I assumed the rise to 88 wasn't that bad. I couldn't be wrong though.

 

[Fitz]

Well no doubt it's getting hot, but maxing out at 90, I'm reluctant now to think that your GPU overheating is the problem, I'm pretty sure 90 is fine for most graphics cards, though I don't know if it's different for mobile cards. If running in Dx9 mode has solved the issue though, then it may well be another issue.

 

[Jinfash]

Yeah, it's time I start looking up my card and reports of overheating. Thanks for the help guys.

 

[Gaborn]

Hollllly shit. As you guys probably know (or at least assume) the devs have been hard at work on the latest patch for Civ 5. It's STILL not done yet but they just gave a new update list of alllllll that's going into the new patch here

Some things that caught my eye in particular

New Building: Circus Maximus (National Wonder for happiness track). (Added 12/3)

New Building: National Treasury (National Wonder for economic track). (Added 12/3)

Unhappiness beyond a certain point breeds rebels within your empire, based on the number of cities a player has. (Added 12/3)

3 new additional Natural Wonders added to gameplay, with accompanying “rarity” code. (Added 12/3)

but there's SOOOO much there both in the "just announced" fixes that are coming, and those that have been previously announced you may or may not have seen. Can't WAIT for the patch and to see what ELSE it will bring!

 

[thetrin]

That is really awesome. Is there any word if Mac is getting these patches tomorrow as well? I know Mac is like, a patch behind, so I was curious.

What kind of macs are you guys running it on? Not sure if my 2 or 3 year old mbp will handle it.

I have a three year old MBP, and it runs fine in early game, but it chugs like fuck once I hit Renaissance and onwards. I live with it because it's a turn based game and still playable, but it hurts.

 

[Gaborn]

That is really awesome. Is there any word if Mac is getting these patches tomorrow as well? I know Mac is like, a patch behind, so I was curious.

Well first, the new patch isn't even coming yet, they're apparently STILL working on it and adding to it and it has no ETA. Beyond that I pretty much am assuming the mac game will be identical to the PC game as it stands now but that's a total assumption on my part.

 

[thetrin]

Well first, the new patch isn't even coming yet, they're apparently STILL working on it and adding to it and it has no ETA. Beyond that I pretty much am assuming the mac game will be identical to the PC game as it stands now but that's a total assumption on my part.

Oh, I thought the "Added 12/3" was in regards to when the feature was being added. I totally forgot today was the 3rd and not the 2nd.

Btw, I've been having issues with cash in late game. I'm trying to avoid autocracy for the unit maintenance discount (just because of what I'm TRYING to build), but I'm hemorrhaging cash in late game, and I end up winning merely because I hit utopia project or take out the last civ before I hit zero.

My problem is definitely unit maintenance, and I have a feeling it's related to having a large standing army, but I'm always paranoid of civs steamrolling me unless I amass serious numbers on their borders.

Does anyone know if civs abstain from invading based on numbers, tech, or a combo of both?

 

[Gaborn]

No big deal, I'm guessing it won't be too much longer though because the full list is freaking HUGE, there's about 50 items they're adding, tweaking, or totally revamping as it is! And there's MORE coming!

 

[Danj]

Yeah, it's time I start looking up my card and reports of overheating. Thanks for the help guys.

Not sure if I'm reading this right but that log file seems to be saying your fan speed is only 30% during these periods? You might want to consider getting hold of a utility that will let you manually crank that to 100% while you're playing games. Not sure if SpeedFan does GPU fans but it's probably worth a look.

 

[BigJonsson]

I have like 36 achievments to go......one of them is the train every unit in the game.........I have no idea what I have yet to train so what the hell do I do lol

 

[Danj]

I have like 36 achievments to go......one of them is the train every unit in the game.........I have no idea what I have yet to train so what the hell do I do lol

Have you played as all the different civs and trained their unique units?

 

[Sibylus]

Hollllly shit. As you guys probably know (or at least assume) the devs have been hard at work on the latest patch for Civ 5. It's STILL not done yet but they just gave a new update list of alllllll that's going into the new patch here

Some things that caught my eye in particular




but there's SOOOO much there both in the "just announced" fixes that are coming, and those that have been previously announced you may or may not have seen. Can't WAIT for the patch and to see what ELSE it will bring!

I'm unbelievably excited for this patch, so many of the changes sound really great

 

[BigJonsson]

Have you played as all the different civs and trained their unique units?

Yes
And I know I've trained anti-tank, anti-air and lancers and ironclads =/

 

[Najaf]

Anyone still playing this?

New patch is looking great. I think it might be time to boot this up again. ICS is looking to be somewhat addressed due to the happiness limitation of buildings to match population in a city. Also the tweaks to Meritocracy and the forbidden palace mixed with the tweaks to maritime city states seem to address the monotony of victories. Maybe I might actually have to strategize instead of abusing ICS or imposing rules on myself to make it more fun.

Spoiler

Why is strategize flagged as misspelled? Last I checked, it was a real word.

 

[erpg]

Full patch notes were just posted: http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?99880-December-Patch-Full-Change-List

 

[aidan]

Full patch notes were just posted: http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?99880-December-Patch-Full-Change-List

When does the patch go live?

EDIT: Nevermind. Read the link. Next week alongside the DLC.

 

[tacotime77]

I just want my Fall From Heaven II and Fall Further mods

 

[No_Style]

Calvary -> Tanks

FINALLY!

 

[SRG01]

So how on earth do I get the free pre-order DLC from Direct2Drive?

 

[Instro]

The new changes sound pretty tasty, sounds like ill be starting a new game once the patch drops. Good times.

 

[SRG01]

So how on earth do I get the free pre-order DLC from Direct2Drive?

Anyone?

 

[zoku88]

Anyone?

I acutally thought of that a couple of days ago and sent them a support ticket to find out what was going on with that.

 

[erpg]

Patch out a day early, rejoice!

 

[dream]

So how on earth do I get the free pre-order DLC from Direct2Drive?

Log on to your Direct2Drive account...you should see this in your My Games list

9/14/10 Civilization V Preorder DLC Pre-order Please click the download button to retrieve your key.

I guess they don't have the keys up for us though.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Full patch notes were just posted: http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?99880-December-Patch-Full-Change-List

You might as well just post them here:

[AI]

[TACTICAL AI]

* Proper evaluation of which enemy units can reach my units next turn.
* Sorting enemy targets (within a class) by damage.
* Combine bombardment fire from cities with other ranged fire where possible.
* Never target a city for a ranged attack when they are already at (or going to be at) 1 health.
* Have the tactical AI be more aggressive about fortifying units that aren't moving anyways.
* Make all forms of guarding improvements the lowest priority tactical AI moves.
* Don't mark tiles adjacent to enemy at sea as good for flank attacks -- there is no flanking at sea.
* Update to tactical AI pillaging code - now prioritize enemy land resources and trade routes (never regular mines or farms). Always uses the check to make sure AI is not trying to pillage in an enemy dominance zone. Barbarians will still target everything.
* Never use ranged units to provide flank bonuses.
* Reduce chance of AI civs making "suicide" attacks.
* Changes to better protect the capital or any city with an enemy within 5 tiles.


[VICTORY]

* AI will be more aggressive about pursuing Diplo victory (bribing City States) if they are wealthy.
* AI will be more aggressive about building Spaceship parts when going for Science victory.


[CIVS]

* Tweak a few leader settings to be more likely to use their traits.
* Adjust Napoleon to make more likely to go for culture.


[COMBAT/UNITS]

* AI will not use Horse as defenders on hills as much.
* AI will often build more defensive troops.
* AI will more aggressively hunt barbs in the early game.
* Slightly more naval units.
* AI will now build ranged and mobile units more in line with the flavor settings for the team - in general, this means more mobile units.
* AI now builds, deploys, and uses air units more effectively.
* Allow AI to build more units if above Prince.
* AI will be more likely to build and bring siege units in a city attack.
* Better nuke targeting by AI.
* Won't build AA if no air threat.
* Allow AI or automated human explorers to move to edge of sight range and then explore again.


[EXPLORATION/EXPANSION]

* AI will emphasize getting an Ocean going explorer unit when the time comes.
* AI slightly more likely to settle off home continent.
* AI should colonize other continents regularly.
* AI second wave expansion more aggressive.
* Improve the AI's chances of setting up protected bombard attacks.
* Settlers: should handle watery maps better.
* AI will grab goody huts on other land masses.
* AI will grab empty barb camps more often.


[WORKERS/CITY AI]

* Large Cities should be more willing to build happiness and gold buildings.
* Workers prioritize repair builds higher than other builds.
* AI will be more likely to build a wall on any city that was an original capital.
* Builder tasking now calculates yields appropriately during golden ages and weighs tiles according to how much stuff they provide overall as well as their maximum yield of a certain type.
* More likely to build up economy early.
* Multiple worker AI improvements.


[MISC]

* Factor GS into flavors more.
* Disband obsolete units even if not losing money.
* Upgrade units a bit more.
* Tweak flavors of policies a bit.
* Have AI factor Grand Strategy into picking policies.
* AI will factor grand strategy into tech choices a bit more.
* AI don't send a barb expedition if defenses are critical.
* AI less likely to pick a city on an inland sea for serious naval production.
* Additional pathfinder optimization.


[GAMEPLAY]

[CITY/BUILDINGS]

* Added "National Treasury" national wonder, which requires Markets in all cities. Provides +8 Gold per turn to the city in which it's built.
* Added “Circus Maximus” national wonder, which requires Colosseums in all cities.. Provides 5 Happiness.
* Library now has no specialist slots.
* Wat now has two specialist slots.
* Public school now has 1 Science per pop, +1 free Great Scientist point, +1 Culture for 3 gold maintenance.
* Observatory now has 1 specialist slot.
* Research Lab has two specialist slots.
* Public school now provides 1 beaker per pop for 3 gold maintenance.
* Watermill now provides +2 good and +1 production for 2 gold maintenance.
* Paper Maker now has no specialist slots.
* Circus now has +2 happiness and no maintenance.
* Theatre now has +5 happiness.
* Stadium now has +5 happiness.
* Reduced production cost and maintenance for the Courthouse.
* Courthouse can now be purchased in a city (although it is expensive).
* Removed maintenance from city defense buildings (Walls, Castle, Military Base).
* City defense buildings now help cities heal.
* Increased city strength ramp-up based on technology.
* Reduced effects of Forbidden Palace and Meritocracy (Happiness per city).
* Reduced amount of food needed for cities to grow at larger sizes.
* Buildings can now no longer provide more Happiness than there is population in a city (wonders are excluded from this).
* Ironworks now gives 10 hammers instead of a % bonus.
* National College now gives +5 science in addition to the % bonus.
* Hermitage gives 5 culture in addition to its previous bonus.
* Raze/Unraze exploit fixed.
* Cities being razed are unhappy about it (only during the razing process).
* Cities heal more quickly.


[UNITS/PROMOTIONS]

* Cavalry can now go obsolete with Combustion.
* Stealth bombers cannot use carriers.
* Only allow one upgrade per unit from a goody hut.
* Add second embarkation promotion ("Defensive Embarkation").
* Amount of damage done during naval combat increased.
* All melee horse units get penalty attacking cities.
* Increased city attack penalty for mounted and armor units to 50% (from 40%).
* Lancers (and Lancer UUs) upgrade to helicopter.
* Lowered combat value of Horseman and Companion Cavalry.
* Promotions must be picked the turn they're earned.
* Can no longer promote a unit that has fought during the turn (instead, the promotion comes up the beginning of the following turn).
* Catapults and Trebuchets now weaker against units but stronger VS cities.
* Reduced effectiveness of Archers & Crossbowmen (and their UUs) VS cities.
* Reduced some combat bonuses: flanking (15 to 10), Great Generals (25 to 20), Discipline (15 to 10), Military Tradition (2x to 1.5x).
* Remove requirement for aluminum on Mobile SAM.
* Lower open terrain penalty to 10% .
* Marsh is now 3 moves to enter (Chariots do not move quickly through it anymore).
* Cavalry now upgrade to tanks.


[CITY STATES]

* Reduced bonuses from Maritime city-states - Friends: +2 food in capital, +0 food in other cities - Allies: +3 food in capital, +1 food in other cities
* Only the first 3 units gifted to a city-state will earn Influence now.
* Killing a barb inside a city-state's territory now gives a 5-turn buffer where there is no Influence intrusion penalty.


[HAPPINESS]

* If an empire reaches -20 Happiness, it goes into revolt, and rebels start appearing throughout the empire, based on the number of cities.
* Amount of Happiness needed to trigger a Golden Age reduced.
* Amount of Happiness needed to trigger a Golden Age now increases as the number of cities in the empire goes up.


[POLICIES]

* Landed Elite (Tradition Branch) now reduces culture cost of border growth by 2/3.
* Monarchy (Tradition Branch) now provides +1 Gold per 2 pop in the Capital..
* Liberty now provides a Settler training bonus to only the capital, and not every city.
* Tradition now provides +50% growth in the capital.
* Theocracy now reduces Unhappiness by 25% .
* Reformation now gives a 10-turn GA.
* Adopting Rationalism now gives a 4-turn GA.


[TECH TREE]

* Add link between Military Science and Dynamite.
* Add link between Civil Service and Education.
* Add link between Economics and Scientific Theory.
* Add link between Chivalry and Acoustics.
* Research overflow now works correctly (extra beakers after completing a tech will rollover to the next tech).


[GENERAL]

* Fixed bug where clicking on a city plot wouldn't select the garrison.
* Natural wonders now award culture (if worked) and happiness (if in border) if that trait is assigned to a wonder in XML.
* Players must now always adopt Policies immediately, and cannot defer picking until later.
* Have culture cost for policies never go down (trading away cities to reduce culture cost exploit). Razing cities will not raise your policy cost ceiling.
* Reduced culture needed for first plot acquisition from 20 to 15.
* 3 new Natural Wonders and rarity code for both base game and New World scenario.
* Reduced points from Wonders (40 to 25) & Cities (10 to 8), increased points for pop by 1 (3 to 4).


[DIPLOMACY]

* AI's attitude towards you is now visible in the diplo screen and diplo drop-down.
* Added info tooltip for an AI leader's mood. Lists things that are making an AI player happy/upset.
* New diplo system: Declaration of Friendship (public declaration with diplomatic repercussions).
* New diplo system: Denounce (public declaration with diplomatic repercussions).
* New custom leader responses (Serious Expansion Warning, Aggressive Military, Luxury Exchange, Borders Exchange, Gift Request, etc.).
* Not agreeing to a friend's request now results in a relations hit.
* Third party AIs can now respond when a player makes a DoF or denounces someone. What they say is based on the situation - e.g. if you make friends with someone they don't like, they'll scold you.
* AI leaders will now sometimes ask their friends to denounce one of their enemies as a show of support, and refusing to denounce someone when an AI asks can now make them very upset.
* AI is now capable of denouncing friends (aka, backstabbing) and added backstabbing info to diplo overview screen.


[UI]

* Add XP bar for air units, do not allow XP for air units attacking a city that is already down to its last hit-point.
* Change ActivePlayer's name to "You" in single player in score list.
* Added game option to disable automated workers from removing features.
* Fixed bug where Happiness from garrisoned units wasn't being listed in Happiness info tooltip.
* Load Map function will now display correct size and type of saved map.
* New “Angry Genghis” loading screen (replaces the “fluffy-bunny Genghis” loading screen).
* Added setup options to allow players to defer choosing Policies and Promotions right away.
* Show the river penalty when attacking city across river (the penalty was there but was not being shown in the preview).
* Global politics screen updated to reflect new diplo system.
* Can no longer Force End Turn (shift-enter) through blocking notifications. CAN now use it to skip over units which need orders.
* Multiple tweaks and bug fixes.



[MISC]

* Fix small bugs with adding long roads around existing features.
* Fixed bombard arrow across world wrap.


[MODDING]

* Parent category counts now include counts of child categories.
* Selecting/deselecting a category now automatically selects/deselects it's children and its parent.
* Tweaked category name truncation to better fit names.
* Hide categories w/ no children and a count of 0.
* Added support for fallback languages (if mod is not translated, fall-back to English so text keys are not showing).
* The pager for the installed mods tab of the mods browser is now displayed in the correct location.
* Long values for properties such as "Special Thanks" will no longer extend past the edge browser frame.
* Categories refresh much faster now in the mods browser.
* Multiple additional tweaks and fixes to the mod browser.
* Support for mods that perform major restructuring of the tech tree including adding, deleting, and updating techs, buildings, and units.
* Added GameEvents system for overriding Gameplay DLL specific functionality.
* Fixed "Reload Landmark System" mod flag to now refresh landmarks defined in "ArtDefine_Landmarks".
* Multiple SDK updates (new version to go live shortly).


[SERIALIZATION/SAVES]

* Fixed save format which causes saves to increase the memory footprint of the game drastically when loading frequently over the course of the game. This heightened the risk of late-game our of memory crashes significantly.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

Can't wait to see how the diplomacy works now.

 

[leroidys]

Awesum. It was pretty obvious that the mongols were going to be added as they did not exist as a city state. Speaking of which, which other historical nations are conspicuous by their absence that you guys can think of? I would say tons of American ones, like Inca, Maya, Sioux, Apache, etc., as well as the Spanish and Byzantine Empire.

Totally called Spanish and Inca

7.49 is a lot more than I was expecting though. Should be about $5 IMO.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

Kind of annoying you still can't use the score list to quickly check on relations or bring up the trade table...

 

[Helmholtz]

Sounds good. Definitely starting a new game very soon

 

[Enduin]

Damn they kinda neutered Maritimes, gonna have to change my strategy now that I cant completely ignore food production. But over all this patch looks to be mint, definitely gonna lose the next few days to civ.

 

[ZZMitch]

Amazing patch, seems to address a lot of the issues I had

 

[Ysiadmihi]

The combat AI still seems pretty bad. Genghis Khan just moved two catapults right next to my clearly visible pikemen :lol

 

[XiaNaphryz]

The combat AI still seems pretty bad. Genghis Khan just moved two catapults right next to my clearly visible pikemen :lol

You're sure they were visible to his units before he moved them?

 

[Ysiadmihi]

You're sure they were visible to his units before he moved them?

They were two spaces away in open terrain and he had a few cavalry running around. I can't say for sure but I'd be very surprised if they weren't visible.

 

[firehawk12]

Anyone pre-order from D2D? Has anyone gotten their code for the free DLC?

 

[dream]

I don't think the DLC is even out yet.

 

[Mr. Spinnington]

i notice the patch has fixed a problem where i used to have the self control to quit the game

 

[firehawk12]

I don't think the DLC is even out yet.

The map packs don't count as the DLC?

 

[epmode]

The map packs don't count as the DLC?

Thankfully, no. The D2D code will probably be used for something worthwhile.