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CIVILIZATION VI |OT| He's Got the Whole World in His Hands
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chrominance
Member
Anyone else experiencing significant instability? I'm two thirds of the way through a 6-civ game on a small map, and it feels like I can't go much longer than half an hour (and often significantly less) without a crash to desktop. It's really frustrating to play for ten minutes and then spend two minutes restarting the game and waiting for your save to looooooooooooooooooooooooad.
flashburn2012
Member
Why is it any time I do a trade route only one of the two cities receives a benefit? I've tried every combination of cities possible and that's always the case.
Cjdamon042
Member
He was moaning at me for having more wonders than him, yet I only had one at the time and so did he.
He eventually went to war with me but he was useless and didn't get anywhere. I let him live though so he can forever be jealous of all my wonders right next door to him.
Just bought it. Drunk Civ 6 is great. I'm China. Fuck these barbarians though. Spawned with 2 horsemen at my doorstep shortly after the game began. So now Russia and Kongo are way ahead in land acquisition because I'm fighting with Warriors and Slingers to protect Xi'an. Fuck you Kongolese dick, stop settling my land.
Bolivar687
Banned
I was going to write about this. I really wish they took this as an opportunity to move away from the direction of Civ V. I just don't see what city states, barbarian camps, and limiting combat damage per turn does to improve on the formula. It reminds me of Warcraft III and the Dota clones that add all this crap to the early game because they think its boring if the player doesn't have enough to do from the start. Strategy games are supposed to be that way and all this stuff just detracts from what the game is really about, getting a civilization up and running. I really don't like the way the series has changed governments, where it's all these little micro bonuses diluting the experience. I felt civics were perfect in Civ IV, it's easy to understand how to get them, what they do, and how it orients your civ. Religion took a similar change and it's just not as fun in these games. Civ IV's religions were mysterious, unique forms of expression, and felt like real cultural achievements, I loved watching little Confucian scholars scurrying across the world. It's disappointing it's reduced to an extension of the government micro bonuses and doesn't feel as unique or special. V and VI almost feel like it's a different series from III and IV and it's sad that I have to look elsewhere if I want to have that kind of experience again.
All that said, I'm looking forward to putting in the time and learning to enjoy this in its own right. The presentation is wonderful and there's so much meat on the bones as far as having a rich strategy experience you can dig into and learn all the secrets. There's so much going on, it's going to be really fun to master all new additions.
Seems like that way to me as well. I do get my Egypt trait's trade bonus from incoming trade routes, but sending stuff internally only seems to ship things one way. Could be wrong though, the interface leaves a bit to be desired.
No, Egypt. I spawned one Great Prophet already with Stonehenge though, could that be related? Can you get more than one?
StrategyFan
Member
i like it a lot less than civ4
it has the same problem of civ5 where i feel like the map basically plays itself and our decisions don't actually matter that much. the tech research boosts, civic research boosts, city state quests, and district layout constraints basically railroad you down certain paths and you can easily play without even thinking of any strategy or planning of your own
the main difference between civ5 is that civ6 has tons more complexity to manage and worry about, but that doesn't necessarily lead to any actual strategic depth
Uh that's not really true. North and South America are split by the isthmus of Panama, which makes sense. Africa is seperated by the Sinai peninsula. Europe and Asia is the only weird one, and at least there is the Ural mountain range denoting a border. In my America game the new "continent" cut straight through lakes and plains etc with not geographic reason to separate it from the other continent. It just looks sill to me, coming from someone who makes and analyses maps/spatial data for a living. It was pretty silly since Washington was right on the edge, so when I move one hex south of the city I am suddenly in a new continent.
All I am saying is I wish that different continents actually had some sort of feature that makes the split make sense.
No. They're only for founding a religion, not spreading or upgrading it. That's what apostles are for once you construct a temple. So the prophet slow in the GP tree and the +prophet cards disappear.
Unless you're playing on a difficulty that you can do whatever and nothing matters anyway, I wholly disagree. Considering that many of the districts, wonders, and improvements fight over the very same productive tiles, it requires every bit of decision making and figuring out what tradeoffs matter. Also eureka bonuses and city states quests are often diverging paths that you can take and you don't just click end turn to get those.
How did you play a game where "district layout constraints basically railroad you down certain paths"? My capital doesn't have even space for an industrial zone.
Pagusas
Elden Member
So I built a second settlement on the other side of a river from my capital and everything I wanted to built in there takes 60 - 130 turns?Is that normal?
What are your production numbers?
Voysa Reezun
Banned
Is it just me, or do AI Civs expand way slower than in IV or even V?
His military was bigger and most of what I had was off fighting barbarians, he did a surprise attack and I didn't have much of a chance. Early game seems to be a bit more of a challenge, I'm probably a bit rusty, too. I never got taken out so early in Civ 4 and 5. Prince difficulty btw
Build mines and base some traders out of your new city to get production bonus.So I built a second settlement on the other side of a river from my capital and everything I wanted to built in there takes 60 - 130 turns?
It seems pretty similar to 5, I guess. Maybe a bit slower because settlers scale in production so much more, I think.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
Is this better than cub IV or V
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Damn, Aztecs are strong as fuck. Keep going on a killing spree and harvesting forests as you get more builders. Unlike Civ5, the harvest function doesn't get weaker the further away you are.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
holy shit the main menu music
Time to do manual UI scaling again because Firaxis can't be arsed to fix this issue after years of complaints.
https://www.reddit.com/r/civ/comments/58o0ia/civilization_vi_ui_font_fix/
https://www.reddit.com/r/civ/comments/58o0ia/civilization_vi_ui_font_fix/
CrocMother
Banned
One big thing I've noticed, deleting units gets you a lot of gold. I captured an enemy settler and sold it for 200 gold on the next turn!
If you've got a unit that is a goner, definitely delete it before it gets killed if you can. Especially good for scouts that are surrounded by barbs in the early game.
If you've got a unit that is a goner, definitely delete it before it gets killed if you can. Especially good for scouts that are surrounded by barbs in the early game.
decoyplatypus
Member
Production numbers do seem to be a bit feast or famine. In my two games (one still unfinished), three or four cities could build just about anything in short order; the rest just had to slowly work through a district line or two. I'll have to look again to see whether it's just (a) me being slightly more concerned about resources/strategic locations than gears in placing many of my cities, (b) gears being somewhat sparser on the map than hammers in previous games, (c) the developers trying to tell you to build industrial zones even in cities that are never going to be production powerhouses.
Anyone else seen Peter spamming cities on every unused tile, no matter how weak. Dude is a pain to deal with. In my current game (King difficulty) he was running neck-and-neck with me for a while and scaring the hell out of me with his army of apostles. But he tucked his capital away between two mountain ranges, with a one-tile bottleneck protecting the NW entrance, a second, more-powerful city guarding the SW entrance, and that city's encampment two tiles east, able to fire on anyone who came through that NW entrance to fire on the capital. It was an absolute nightmare to crack that nut.
Anyone else seen Peter spamming cities on every unused tile, no matter how weak. Dude is a pain to deal with. In my current game (King difficulty) he was running neck-and-neck with me for a while and scaring the hell out of me with his army of apostles. But he tucked his capital away between two mountain ranges, with a one-tile bottleneck protecting the NW entrance, a second, more-powerful city guarding the SW entrance, and that city's encampment two tiles east, able to fire on anyone who came through that NW entrance to fire on the capital. It was an absolute nightmare to crack that nut.
God the religion game is annoying; on higher difficulties the AI will send a literal wave of apostles to convert you.
Also, Yosemite doesn't count as a mountain for the purposes of an aqueduct, which was a nasty surprise for an otherwise excellent city.
On the whole though, I'm enjoying myself. I can't seem to shake the bad habit of quitting at a certain point though. First time I quit because I was steamrolling Prince. The second time I quit out of salt because of the aqueduct thing. Third time's the charm.
Also, Yosemite doesn't count as a mountain for the purposes of an aqueduct, which was a nasty surprise for an otherwise excellent city.
On the whole though, I'm enjoying myself. I can't seem to shake the bad habit of quitting at a certain point though. First time I quit because I was steamrolling Prince. The second time I quit out of salt because of the aqueduct thing. Third time's the charm.
Ethical Hedonism
Banned
Is there any way to upscale the hud? My TV is killing my eyes lol
CrocMother
Banned
Just like Civ V, asking them to stop does nothing. I don't even know why they bothered to put that in the game.
So you can replant woods later in the game but you can't chop second-growth woods for production gains. Thought it was going to be broken. Still it's a good source of wonder production boost if there's any virgin woods around since you can always replant them for appeal or to build lumber mills.
Again lumber mills hold the tradition of kinda sucking compared to mines.
Still it's a good source of wonder production boost if there's any virgin woods around since you can always replant them for appeal or to build lumber mills.Again lumber mills hold the tradition of kinda sucking compared to mines.
CrocMother
Banned
So you can replant woods later in the game but you can't chop second-growth woods for production gains. Thought it was going to be broken.
Again lumber mills hold the tradition of kinda sucking compared to mines.
I love that jungles give you production when you chop them.
ChemicalCutthroat
Member
Basically if you keep asking them to stop and they ignore you it opens up the option for you to declare war with the reason that they keep violating your requests, so you don't take a really bad warmongering penalty.
CrocMother
Banned
Really? That's interesting. Is the warmonger penalty lighter than the religious war casus belli?
Yeah one key thing is that if you build a district or wonder on top of woods or jungle before chopping them with a builder you lose a lot of production that you could have gained.
Also I'm thinking that it's totally okay to have crappy cities in order to obtain strategic resources and to help your other cities maximize adjacency bonuses because in the end the settler costs doesn't scale that much compared to how much districts costs can scale. You don't want to have too many subpar cities with districts because they'll make it harder for your big cities to quickly build the important districts. The main downside is that you just have more area that you need to defend. Also the within six tile system that factories and stadiums have make filler cities within your region to be semi-decent.
My immediate impression after about 5 hours is that, for better or worse, Civ VI is essentially Civ V 2. It seems to be the most conservative of game of the series since Civ II, which is particularly disappointing since Civ III, IV, and V were all very different games.
It's not that Civ VI is a bad game by any stretch. But the lack of significant changes, especially considering a resurgence in the 4X genre that brought lots of really neat ideas that Civilization VI could have borrowed from (ex. Endless Legend), is really striking. It's also unfortunate that given the opportunity Firaxis didn't get rid of 1PT, city states, etc. although I know those elements have lots of fans.
It's not that Civ VI is a bad game by any stretch. But the lack of significant changes, especially considering a resurgence in the 4X genre that brought lots of really neat ideas that Civilization VI could have borrowed from (ex. Endless Legend), is really striking. It's also unfortunate that given the opportunity Firaxis didn't get rid of 1PT, city states, etc. although I know those elements have lots of fans.
Forerunner
Member
Yeah he did a great job again. I think I might like it more than Baba Yetu.
decoyplatypus
Member
I'm holding off on playing an aggressive religion game. Moving around missionaries and inquisitors was tedious in Civ 5. I can see how Firaxis thought adding combat to the system might make it more interesting, but frankly I'd rather they just put religious pressure in a slider or an espionage-like menu system (e.g., I place X missionaries in Moscow to convert populace, Moscow has Y inquisitors in Moscow, so the result is ...). There are already plenty of pieces to move per turn.
Yea, it's the main reason I simply ignore religion. Thinking about moving all those units to convert other cities... Meh.
ChemicalCutthroat
Member
I'm listening to the soundtrack at work, the Industrial Era Russian stuff is excellent. I mean... pretty much everything is excellent. It does a good mix of building from mysterious and exploratory, building up through the ages and really blossoming into the later eras.
Declare Protectorate War. It's in the Renaissance Era in the civic tree under Diplomatic Service.