Familienoberhauptvogel
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Emperor doesn't seem too hard. Been cruising with Gilgamesh.
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CIVILIZATION VI |OT| He's Got the Whole World in His Hands
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Lister
Banned
Uhm.. are you sure the issue isn't on your end?
MHWilliams
Member
Either you make a peace deal and gain control of the city in the deal, or you wipe the Civilization that originally owned the city out.
chrominance
Member
I mean, maybe, but I don't know how I'm supposed to go about solving a random crash issue. The only things I've been able to find on the Steam forums are that other people have the same issue, and it miiiiiight be a save corruption thing but basically who knows. So basically, ????????
Random aside: this was a weird rabbit hole to go down. Here's the quote you get from discovering Lasers:
This is an actual thing Courteney Cox said on the Tonight Show in 2013:
In the related articles list is this wonderful gem from three years later.
In summary: lasers are totally not the future and you shouldn't research them.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
So I got into a war with Egypt earlier. It was going alright, but then China rolled up on me from out of nowhere. I was pretty close to Egpyt's capital, but Cleopatra wound up suing for peace, and I decided to take it since she was offering me a lot of money and a luxury resource.
I then used that money to levy Geneva's troops. They mostly had just warriors, but China was completely undefended so I was able to just roll in and capture Beijing in a couple of turns. That felt pretty nice.
I'm still getting used to a lot of the new systems. I feel like I'm running into issues with gold and not growing fast enough, but there's always a curve with a new Civ game.
I then used that money to levy Geneva's troops. They mostly had just warriors, but China was completely undefended so I was able to just roll in and capture Beijing in a couple of turns. That felt pretty nice.
I'm still getting used to a lot of the new systems. I feel like I'm running into issues with gold and not growing fast enough, but there's always a curve with a new Civ game.
StrategyFan
Member
i will spend more time learning all the ins and outs of civ 6, but even in the first few hours i'm already doing something just because the tech tree tells me to do something or because a city state tells me to do something
in every civ before civ4:BTS, i always did something contributing to a real strategy. in civ6 i'll half-complete a ton of techs/civics without following a real plan because getting the free boosts are too important
it narrows the range of possible development paths. maybe the right real strategy is to make 5 farms and 13 other things with my 18 builder charges, but it's artificially better to make 6 farms and 12 other things because of some random boost that triggers when you make 6 farms and does nothing when you have 5. the whole game is full of that kind of stuff
civ6 also has all these restrictions on what districts can benefit from which tiles so there tends to be a "best" location for a city which is predetermined by the random map generation and not really something i'm choosing based on what strategy i'm going for. like fresh water is so much better than not having fresh water, so i'm picking from 5 possible city locations instead of 50 possible city locations
civ6 just presents you with a bunch of free stuff and you make yes-or-no choices about whether you want it or not. there's less nuance, and more all-or-nothing bonuses.
i think it's a step up from brave new world because you have more freedom in how much you expand, but there amount of time and energy i spend on not-very-strategic stuff makes the pacing worse than civ4
smokeandmirrors
Banned
barbarians are fucking awful.
paperboywriter
Member
This Spanish guy started at war with me , I won, captured one of his cities and than I gave it back to him but demanded another city of him that wasn't involved in the war. Good times. I don't think I got any warmongering points for it. Diplomacy is king, that's why Bismarck is looking over me. (Pic incoming)
I mean, maybe, but I don't know how I'm supposed to go about solving a random crash issue. The only things I've been able to find on the Steam forums are that other people have the same issue, and it miiiiiight be a save corruption thing but basically who knows. So basically, ????????
Random aside: this was a weird rabbit hole to go down. Here's the quote you get from discovering Lasers:
This is an actual thing Courteney Cox said on the Tonight Show in 2013:
In the related articles list is this wonderful gem from three years later.
In summary: lasers are totally not the future and you shouldn't research them.
I saw that too and just thought "Naw it can't be THAT Courtney Cox".
StrategyFan
Member
i'll have to play more games before i confirm this, but they accidentally ended up having a really nice balancing effect
what i'm noticing so far is that when you have a really good location (lots of land to yourself, few close neighbors), the barbarians are a significant hindrance
when you have a bad location (squished in between other empires, less land to expand towards), the barbarians are a nuisance for everyone except you
That's precisely how you shouldn't play civ though. Civilization at its finest is deciding what to not do and having a clear plan rather than doing everything you see.
I know there's a fair bit of people who didn't like Civ5, wishing everything was more like Civ4, and undoubtedly Civ6 sharing the same systems will make them dislike it, and I'd rather not tread those waters.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Just finished my first game. Played an easy one to practice and learn with:
America
Chieftain difficulty
Standard Length
Small map
Continents
I won a culture victory on turn 387, it was a much longer game than it needed to be, lol. I started on a landmass with Spain and France, and Spain was being a dick to me pretty much all throughout history. I should have wiped him off the planet early on but I kept showing him mercy, my mistake. France and I were buddies the whole time. I slacked with boats and Norway found us first from a distant continent, eventually I got my ass over there and found Russia and the Aztecs too.
All three of them on that far off land were trading wars constantly, I stayed neutral and peaceful to everyone the whole game except for freakin Spain who would surprise war on me, sue for peace, play best buds, and then a couple decades later do it all over again. My military leveled up to right monsters with all of the XP from slaughtering Spain's soldiers, lol.
I made so many mistakes. I had no direction at all until very late where I finally decided to go for a tourism victory. Also had a man on the moon by the end and was working towards Mars just in case I flubbed the culture win. I didn't realize the power of districts quick enough, I know so much more now and my next game will go much better.
I found one minor complaint though: there isn't a map replay at the victory screen anymore!!! I'm pretty sure that every Civ game has had that, it's like my trophy at the end that I long for, I love watching how the world unfolded and seeing the early stuff that I missed. I do love the win movie though, that's nice, but I miss the map replay.
I'm starting a new game right now, lol!
America
Chieftain difficulty
Standard Length
Small map
Continents
I won a culture victory on turn 387, it was a much longer game than it needed to be, lol. I started on a landmass with Spain and France, and Spain was being a dick to me pretty much all throughout history. I should have wiped him off the planet early on but I kept showing him mercy, my mistake. France and I were buddies the whole time. I slacked with boats and Norway found us first from a distant continent, eventually I got my ass over there and found Russia and the Aztecs too.
All three of them on that far off land were trading wars constantly, I stayed neutral and peaceful to everyone the whole game except for freakin Spain who would surprise war on me, sue for peace, play best buds, and then a couple decades later do it all over again. My military leveled up to right monsters with all of the XP from slaughtering Spain's soldiers, lol.
I made so many mistakes. I had no direction at all until very late where I finally decided to go for a tourism victory. Also had a man on the moon by the end and was working towards Mars just in case I flubbed the culture win. I didn't realize the power of districts quick enough, I know so much more now and my next game will go much better.
I found one minor complaint though: there isn't a map replay at the victory screen anymore!!! I'm pretty sure that every Civ game has had that, it's like my trophy at the end that I long for, I love watching how the world unfolded and seeing the early stuff that I missed. I do love the win movie though, that's nice, but I miss the map replay.
I'm starting a new game right now, lol!
StrategyFan
Member
i agree that the game should work the way you describe, but i do not believe that it is the optimal way to play civ6 because the free handouts are too strong to ignore
i don't do every one of them, but they completely change my decision-making
the game should be balanced around some choices being only slightly better than others so that it's always interesting to figure out what option to pursue. i should always be balancing short-term vs. long-term considerations
but when one of those options (which might have been the optimal or close-to-optimal choice anyways) gives you something major for free, it trivializes all those decisions because the profitability of one choice shoots way ahead of the others
i'm in a delayed start because fucking japan decided after he took out brazil that i was next on the chopping block. spent a couple of terms decimating his invading army until he sued for peace. a few decades later he tried again and I just trampled his ass. I'm seriously considering just taking out his captured Rio for my own ends, because fuck him.
It just means you don't know the game enough and you don't have a game plan. All civ games are like that as far as I remember.
I had to do the same thing with Germany, they held a grudge from losing the first war they started and would keep causing shit every so often even though they were vastly out matched. Had to put them down for good.
icecold1983
Member
does multiplayer work reliably yet? it was broken as hell in civ 5
paperboywriter
Member
I tried local and it was fine. Can't comment on online.
Uh, lol. I have to take what I said back. How am I supposed to use aztec warriors against 3 barb horsemen and 1 barb horse archer by turn 40 at my gates. Also either the aztec warrior doesn't work on scouts or I'm having bad luck.
Play the tutorial or watch some videos on youtube? You can just take every game as a learning experience. Really depends on how familiar you are with the civ games.
Try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZKTdSJjrdc maybe?
Play the tutorial or watch some videos on youtube? You can just take every game as a learning experience. Really depends on how familiar you are with the civ games.
Try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZKTdSJjrdc maybe?
Slackbladder
Member
Might be simpler to just raze it, though is there a diplomatic penalty doing that?
I have a bunch of older civ games on my steam library and I have never played them.
I just feel like I don't know if I am progressing towards a win condition.
Click the victory screen in the top right (looks like a globe with a wreath) and it will tell you where you stand in terms of the current victory conditions and gives you some ideas how to progress towards them,
Go through the civilopedia, read the victory types, then choose one to go for and plan accordingly. Check the world rankings tab on the top right to see whether you're on the right track.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be looking at when analyzing what I'm supposed to be doing for an optimal culture win. It's not like Civ5 anymore where I have to build up my tourism bucket so that it's greater than every other civ's culture bucket right?
I guess Eagle Warrior's ability don't work on barbs. So I guess the strategy is, build spearmen to clear barbs, once barbs are dead then use eagle warriors on other civs that never upgrade their warriors.
Your tourism spreads turn by turn and increases the number of tourists you get from each civ. You win when that sum exceeds the largest tourism number that isn't yours.
Your tourism spreads turn by turn and increases the number of tourists you get from each civ. You win when that sum exceeds the largest tourism number that isn't yours.
This is the only thing I've seen so far: https://www.reddit.com/r/civ/comments/58o0ia/civilization_vi_ui_font_fix/
I have an unrelated question. I like the game, but I feel like my options for construction are limited. Each district seems to only unlock about 3 building types. Whenever I go to a city, it seems like I have maybe 3-5 options (or some wonders that don't help me) for buildings, and then a ton fo unit options.
Am I just doing it wrong and you can find a way to get lots of useful buildings available?
StrategyFan
Member
i don't remember anything in civ before beyond the sword where the decisions were affected by free handouts for what is essentially completing a quest
the prices for units/improvements are set for the benefits they provide, and that just stops working as intended when making a certain unit or improvement suddenly comes with bonuses out of nowhere
even if you can plan for some of them because they're the same every game (eg. eurekas), it funnels players towards doing "a little bit of everything" instead of focusing on a real strategy
Hierophant
Banned
the music ramp up when you declare war on russia or get peter really pissed is so cool
Hierophant
Banned
online seems fine, except for a split second the game looked like it was about to crash for me and a friend but then came back to life
Most buildings are unlocked through districts. You have to build district before you can build the corresponding type of building. This encourages city specialization which has always been a good idea to do in Civ5 anyway. You should plan out to have a military city, production city, growth city, etc. Even in King difficulty I didn't have enough time and space to build everything in my best cities.
The amateur civ player approach to civilization has tended to be, I want to research ALL the techs, and I want to build ALL the buildings everywhere. That lure has always existed in Civilization and quests, districts and eurekas are no different. Just because they're there doesn't mean you should get it. Again if you can do everything without repercussions, you're just playing on too low of a difficulty.
Yeah, but: http://i.imgur.com/roUW0RN.png
According to that, each district only tends to unlock 3-5 buildings. If you specialize with 1-3 districts like I do, it's easy to build all the buildings and be left with no options. So then either you crank out units and eat the maintenance costs, or you just leave the city sitting and producing science / culture, or you try for a wonder.
*edit* I've only played the tutorial and one game, so I may be missing something. I just feel like it's easy to run out of things to build when you specialize in a few districts.
poppedcollar69
Member
my god does this game need polish, i think it's in a worse state (polish wise) than civ V was at launch
finished my first game: rome/prince/culture
i just dicked around and tried random stuff and somehow led the entire game in just about every respect. arabia tried to convert me but i fought back, though it wouldnt have made a difference anyways because there was no way he was going to convert the rest of the world. i didnt build any science buildings for aaages, yet i still finished like, satelites before year 1850....
had a hard time getting causa belli to work. in fact, i never did.
a bit disappointing. i'm going to shelve it until it gets updates.
finished my first game: rome/prince/culture
i just dicked around and tried random stuff and somehow led the entire game in just about every respect. arabia tried to convert me but i fought back, though it wouldnt have made a difference anyways because there was no way he was going to convert the rest of the world. i didnt build any science buildings for aaages, yet i still finished like, satelites before year 1850....
had a hard time getting causa belli to work. in fact, i never did.
a bit disappointing. i'm going to shelve it until it gets updates.
I never had the issue of running out of things to build in my game. Just play a game and you'll see. Plus there's always projects that converts production into the district yield if you really don't want to build anything.
Surely the solution is not to try the five harder difficulties.
Maybe try a harder difficulty then?
StrategyFan
Member
my perspective is from competitive multiplayer. i don't really play much single player because the AI is garbage
i don't want to research all the techs and all the civics, but when the tree is a line of prerequisites instead of a tree there's not much choice in the matter
even if eurekas disappeared and i picked techs based on strategy instead of cost optimization i would still need to loop back and get what i skipped because it's a prereq for something
my theory is that they threw a lot of stuff in civilization6 which was specifically designed to cripple the tactic of beelining, and for a civ game that means crippling strategy
it's just a continuation of civ 5's free handouts that were designed to give players interesting things to do without requiring them to make hard choices or play well, and it's a great way to introduce people to the different parts of the game. it also inadvertently makes their AI perform better because it increases the chance that the obvious decision is the right decision
but the price for that is that strategic planning becomes less important. almost all the money comes from non-competitive players, so it's not even bad business
It's weird how opposite some reactions are. I specifically saw someone mention the game felt so polished, it feels like a Nintendo game. I kind of feel the same way in that most parts of the game are polished, and this is the best a Civ game has ever been at release.
I do think some things need work.
Also you should try being a bad player like me.
I played Cleopatra on Prince, did 4 cities and tried to rush science hard with lots of jungles and mountains, and STILL had 1-3 civilizations higher than me in science and culture for 250 turns. I think I'm #1 at culture now, but STILL not the highest science compared to the Kongo. I don't know how they did it. *edit* I'm at turn 250 or so.Uh no, look at the tech and civic trees. There's a ton of stuff that isn't a prerequisite for a specific tech.
I'm going to stop responding.
poppedcollar69
Member
does turning up the difficulty fix all the non difficulty related rough edges too??? wow!
Maybe you wish people to respond without reading your post, unfortunately I did.
Happened to me when I conquered Chicago. Not their last city nor their capital. I just saved and hope a retroactive fix will happen. Quite unbelievable this got past QA. Other than this and other bugs I'm enjoying the game a lot.
Having put about 13hours into the MP, there seems to be a rather large issue with de-syncing. Now the good news is it realises a de-sync occurred and does fix it without you having to re-make the game. The bad news is it happens a lot and does still force a re-load to re-sync the game up again.
The more units on the screen, the worse it gets, and by the later turns 100+ it was literally de-syncing every turn.
The more units on the screen, the worse it gets, and by the later turns 100+ it was literally de-syncing every turn.
That sucks, because the same sort of thing happened in Civ V multiplayer in 100+ turns. Everyone would freeze or disconnect or whatever, or not know if they SHOULD reconnect, and sometimes if you're lucky you'll disconnect and reconnect and things will move again.
It was literally never fixed in the game's lifetime, to my knowledge. And I have a few internet friends who would normally try to do multiplayer Civ games.
Yeah I do remember it happening in V a bit as well. I don't recall it happening this much though. :/