OrbitalBeard
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Yeah, don't get me wrong, the Trump campaign was pretty ridiculous in many, many ways.
But how in god's name was Clinton's.....worse?
Like, HOW???
Clinton campaign didn't do tracking polls for the last month, ignored Michigan issues
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Yeah, don't get me wrong, the Trump campaign was pretty ridiculous in many, many ways.
But how in god's name was Clinton's.....worse?
Like, HOW???
davepoobond
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there is a campaign manager for a reason
Chie Satonaka
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Sounds about right.
Frustrated_me
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Hillary Clinton was the wrong candidate.
How in the world did the Hillary voters not see this!?
How in the world did the Hillary voters not see this!?
We heard for months how much money they had compared to Trump and how superior their ground game was, what the fuck happened? The rust belt and it's blue wall were supposed to be the foundation for the inevitable Democratic victory, how could they drop the ball so badly?
It seems like they got so carried away that they pissed money away on red states thinking they could humiliate the Republicans and neglected to shore up their core states in the EC. It wouldn't have taken that much to win those rust belt states, it really is shocking that they could be so arrogant.
It seems like they got so carried away that they pissed money away on red states thinking they could humiliate the Republicans and neglected to shore up their core states in the EC. It wouldn't have taken that much to win those rust belt states, it really is shocking that they could be so arrogant.
Angelus Errare
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Holy shit.
Her campaign wasn't ran worse than Trump's. It's just her image problems were vastly worse than his and she thought it was going to be easy due to him being a piece of shit.
I was wondering how her experienced team could lose to a defunded poorly managed team. Now I'm learning they were both poorly managed. Heck it might actually be the case that in spite of Trump's best efforts to steal from his own donors his decision to go after traditional blue states was inspired genius.
This news speaks poorly to how well a Clinton admin could've been ran. This is beyond sloppy, it's negligent.
This news speaks poorly to how well a Clinton admin could've been ran. This is beyond sloppy, it's negligent.
Crimson-Death
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entremet
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My whole thing is that all the anger should go the Clinton campaign and their hubris.
Sure Trump emboldened bigots and they must be resisted, but if Clinton just ran a semi decent campaign, we would've been spared this from the orange idiot and his upcoming reign of terror.
DiipuSurotu
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Would still have made a better president than Trump
Skellig Gra
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This is why I'll never donate to a political campaign. Where did they spend over a billion dollars?
ElectricBlanketFire
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I literally don't see how that's possible.
As in I don't believe this is true.
As in I don't believe this is true.
CassidyIzABeast
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Good job, good effort you smug jackasses.
JHoNNy1OoO
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I seriously thought that the reason they didn't worry about Michigan and Wisconsin was because they were 110% confident with NUMBERS. If all this is true that they were getting warning signs and completely ignoring they deserved to lose. Not campaiging in New York and California or the extremely liberal places that barely have a Republican presence to begin with is completely understandable. Michigan and Wisconsin though...
Like others have said, Clinton lost by so little there that any type of bone thrown could have made the difference. Truly the nightmare scenario and all because they just didn't really care.
To be fair, this was Trump's only route. And the Clinton camp just didn't take it seriously. Blunder of a century.
Like others have said, Clinton lost by so little there that any type of bone thrown could have made the difference. Truly the nightmare scenario and all because they just didn't really care.
To be fair, this was Trump's only route. And the Clinton camp just didn't take it seriously. Blunder of a century.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Didn't someone here give her a few thousand dollars just like a month ago?
Krauser Kat
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as a hilgaf member this is fucking disappointing.
No she ran a fairly decent campaign. It's just that she didn't take her image problem seriously. That's why turnout was so shitty. She never gave people a strong reason to vote for her besides not being Trump.
Skellig Gra
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/flush
Count Dookkake
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Yes, but more data from WI, MI might have allowed them to notice something wrong earlier. Nate Silver saw troubling signs in his model, and accounted for systemic polling error and uncertainty. The $2 billion Clinton campaign didn't? Fucking joke.
OrbitalBeard
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Trump had an image problem as well though and I really don't think it was that much better or worse than hers.
Going by the OP, her campaign clearly had major, major issues. Hubris is a real killer.
SillyEskimo
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GAF turning faster on Hillary than Hannity did on Romney 4 years ago!
Watching a party eat it's own is fascinating.
Watching a party eat it's own is fascinating.
Chaotic-Strike
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She really did learn nothing from her 2008 campaign.
Spiritreaver
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I didn't follow the primaries very closely, but if they did get blindsided in the rust belt before.... I even chewed a couple people out a few days ago because I didn't see the issue with MI myself.
Not good.
Not good.
diablos991
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We dodged a bullet there.
Kind of ironic seeing poor judgement be their undoing.
Kind of ironic seeing poor judgement be their undoing.
She never went to Wisconsin, was under FBI investigation, and had a huge streak of no press conferences - that alone is not a fairly decent campaign.
GoldenEye 007
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I don't think most Hillary primary voters assumed she would fuck up like this.
Yeeeeah not me
I'd been viewing Trump as a legitimate threat since he made it past Iowa, and I was never going to be comfortable as long as he was in it...but yes I realize this wasn't the general outlook.Trump is going to destroy the environment.
The rights to "Fight Song".
The Albatross
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Oh you're totally right about the Trump campaign. I didn't mean to suggest that Trump was organized in any way, but every story, every discussion piece was of the ilk of "Look how much of a mess Trump's campaign is!" followed up by "And look at the brilliant campaign that master politico Clinton is orchestrating!"
I think we just kept repeating that matra, that Hillary was so organized and such an expert and was thinking of everything (because she's been in the game for so long), that we created a bubble against doubt, that got popped Tuesday night. And now we're waking up to the reality that she didn't campaign in Michigan in the final months of the campaign, and didn't visit Wisconsin for months (or ever?), two states that had she won we'd be singing a different tune today.
entremet
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She never visited Wisconsin.
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If they had, they'd have been Bernie voters.
So I nailed it on the Redo 2016 thread?
They underestimate it him...this is worst than learning Trump won the election.
They underestimate it him...this is worst than learning Trump won the election.
Its a vital part of politics. Dems need to be completely ruthless in coming up with a solid explanation. It could take months or years before a consensus that withstands time is reached.
It's been 24 years, and there's still not a consensus on what impact Perot had.
Dark Cloud
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She's garbage and she screwed us. She should've never been a candidate.
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