Clinton campaign didn't do tracking polls for the last month, ignored Michigan issues
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GoldenEye 007
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There is merit for doing that here. She ignored clear warning signs and lost strongholds there since the 1980s. People are rightfully shitting on her as more information comes out about how she handled her campaign.
Trump's campaign was a legendary shitshow of a campaign. He didn't raise shit funding-wise, had staff shakeups nearly every week, lost every debate, and did little ground gaming.
He won because his base didn't give a shit about anything other than the Trump name and the independents hated Hillary more than they hated Trump.
Her campaign definitely had issues but let's not gloss over the trainwreck his campaign was.
Maintenance
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Hubris + Echo chamber.
Chie Satonaka
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The truth is the truth. Hillary Clinton wasn't an especially great candidate, and if this information is true, didn't run a great campaign.
Those of us who believed in her, reluctantly or otherwise, have to stomach Trump now. What, are we supposed to be nice?
In what way was it a decent campaign? She lost, she lost to a cartoonish TV celebrity with no political experience of any kind. It might have been a neat, polite campaign but fairly decent? States that were supposed to be locked in for her ended up going to Trump.
LegendofJoe
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Where does it say that the campaign was aware of trouble in the rust belt? I didn't see anyone saying that prior to the election outside of Ohio.
Look at the y axis on this stupid chart. It's highly misleading
Same. This is unbelievable.
Abstrusity
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Sanders won Michigan by 20 some points, carried almost entirely by millennials and blue collar workers. Everywhere else, it was millennials and blue collar workers whgo let him come close.
Remember, he got 45% of the primary votes.
The primary reason for refusing to vote for Sanders was that he wasn't realistic.
Mariah Carey
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You might want to sit down for this. The big GOTV ground game operation did get lots and lots of people to the polls---and a lot of those people voted for Trump.
Good Job Bob
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It's pretty clear at this point that Hillary has no real eye for talent and surrounds herself with an insular clique of loyal out-of-touch hacks. Her and her clique's influence on the Democratic Party need to be dropped.
We need to. Romney lost a battle he was destined to lose. Hillary lost one she was destined to win.
Demographics, economy, Obama legacy. Nothing mattered because of hubris and now we have Cheeto King.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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maybe they used that money to make the attack ad on a cartoon frog while they should have been in Michigan
gutter_trash
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so much for that ground game
everyone knew that the Rust Belt was Trump's only path
everyone knew that the Rust Belt was Trump's only path
Winnable. It was basically gifted. Clinton had a whole bunch of cards and Trump was basically permanently politically suiciding. But in her arrogance she didn't secure the win in an attempt to not only win, but to win big. Now she lost it all against one of the most unlikely presidents in history.
PoliGAF can try to defend Hillary and put this on third parties, Bernie Sanders and comet sightings that lost stability, but Hillary Clinton messed up big time by taking votes for granted and ignoring the message Bernie Sanders strong stand was sending.
Skellig Gra
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Oh god, I almost made a thread about that earlier.
OrbitalBeard
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Trust me, I'm not trying to. His campaign was crazy!
But I think we can now safely say Clinton's may have been just as bad....just for different reasons that no one saw from the outside.
Ultimately, this is true.
UnemployedVillain
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Yeah, people in here are getting a bit too riled up and saying ridiculous things. In no word was her campaign run worse or even close to as badly as Trumps. There are a laundry list of things she could have done better, the DNC, etc, but his campaign was a clusterfuck on all levels. He won IN SPITE of it
CassidyIzABeast
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Tracking polls? Meeeeeh
Michigan? Fuck em
Holy shit, the extravagant fireworks show leaked and people are lukewarm on it. Set up a conference call to figure out if we should still go through with it!
Michigan? Fuck em
Holy shit, the extravagant fireworks show leaked and people are lukewarm on it. Set up a conference call to figure out if we should still go through with it!
She was a bad candidate in an especially bad time for establishment candidates. That's somewhat different than having run a bad campaign. Not visiting Wisconsin was a fuckup but she lost Michigan/Pennsylvania as well. She was fucked if she lost any of those three so in the end it's not just Wisconsin.
ClosingADoor
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She's a good candidate, as in she would have been a good President. She has all the qualifications and experience for it. But she is bad at campaigning it seems. She's just not likable to a lot of people and can't get people to turn up to vote for her.
Not eating its own at all. Identifying fuckups is important to any organization.
I wonder how much it cost the campaign to rent out the Javit Center with that glass ceiling.
entremet
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I dont' know if she refused. The main architect, Axelrod, moved on.
This was a winnable election. The Clinton campaign was a disaster.
Just an unenthusiastic voting base. The DNC turned away from a candidate by the people, pushing for a progressive America, and went for the neutral moderate candidate that kept them in power.
And that's how the voters turned out. They created the "depressed vote", in addition to running a mild campaign.
Both sides people don't seem so wrong now. Clusterfuck.
There was a quote from Kellyanne Conway I saw yesterday were she mentioned how Clinton seemed to be caught unaware by Obama in the '08 primary and by Sanders' popularity in the last one, and that they thought she could be caught unaware in the general election. They were right.
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"Trust the process"
I never want to hear that song again.
Enosh
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seriously, for months I've been reading how her ground game is the best in history and his is a joke
Like everyone else, it seems they extrapolated from the huge lead they had in the national polls. Even if there wasn't the issue of campaigning around the electoral college, this is a massive fuck up. Wow.
Further cementing this as a historic election for all the the wrong and horrible reasons.
Further cementing this as a historic election for all the the wrong and horrible reasons.
Spooky Scary Skeleton
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She.Never.Visited.Wisconsin.
davepoobond
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if they didnt have tracking polls why did she go back in the last week?
they just decided to do one last check when it was too late?
she was originally supposed to be there with Obama as her first appearance with him. then the pulse night club happened
these things dont happen in a vacuum, but they definitely should have rescheduled, that much is apparent. however, she wasnt harping on the anti-trade horn enough IMO. she's showing up with the guy whos trying to push TPP through.
they just decided to do one last check when it was too late?
she was originally supposed to be there with Obama as her first appearance with him. then the pulse night club happened
these things dont happen in a vacuum, but they definitely should have rescheduled, that much is apparent. however, she wasnt harping on the anti-trade horn enough IMO. she's showing up with the guy whos trying to push TPP through.
Frustrated_me
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I'm sorry, this is fucking pissing me off.
Where the fuck did the money go to? How about all the donor money? Where is it? What was it spent on? Like, what the fuck did the campaign do?
Jesus fucking Christ. I can't stand her.
Where the fuck did the money go to? How about all the donor money? Where is it? What was it spent on? Like, what the fuck did the campaign do?
Jesus fucking Christ. I can't stand her.
AlimNassor
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We lost what should have been an easy victory. We lost not just the election but, the senate too. We lost big time. This should have been the end of the Republican party instead it's the Democrats who are fucked big time.
Trump's campaign, like it or not, had the most important thing a presidential election can have. An actual message that stirred something up in people.
Hillary spent the better part of the general election campaign just sitting back and running ads that said Donald Trump sucks.
She was a terrible candidate that ran a terrible campaign, seemingly just hoping that people's own disgust with Donald Trump would be enough to carry her to victory.
GoldenEye 007
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I didn't expect a complete fuckup like this. Not with her experience and after 2008. Of course as this info comes out, she's a terrible campaigner.
And she lost Pennsylvania and Michigan. It wasn't just Wisconsin.
Not to mention she lost almost all the other battleground states she visited anyway. She didn't exactly win Ohio/Florida/North Carolina.
valkillmore
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She let the country, no, the world down.
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