jim-jam bongs
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He's not a politician, he's a celebrity conman.
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CNN: Green Party files for Wisconsin recount, audit
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He's not a politician, he's a celebrity conman.
EmpressInYellow
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There is absolutely no proof that it's true. The only sites reporting that news are places like Infowars.
"Why would he be willing to say it?" Because he's a thin-skinned moron who will repeat any half-assed conspiracy that paints him in a good light or his enemies in a bad one.
You ask yourself this: given the COUNTLESS lies he's told, the endless stream of utter bullshit he spewed forth during the entire campaign, why are YOU willing to believe him?
Because every time votes are recounted, the country becomes 10% less democratic.
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The Autumn Wind
Do you know who Donald Trump is? I'm still refusing to believe you're being serious.
DR2K
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Even Trump wants one. Let's just recount nationally, take our time, have Obama fill in for a while and really think about things m
Imperfected
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Except if the recount does show his statement as false, he'll just claim the people doing the recount are corrupt/biased/incompetent. There's no actual burden of proof strong enough to force him to admit he's wrong, because that's what the conservatives in this country have decided is their mandate.
They've weaponized blazing stupidity and willful ignorance. Trump is their Frankenstein's monster come to life, rampaging with a total lack of accountability, reliability, or even just basic adherence to painfully obvious logic.
BlastProcessing
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The problem is that it won't necessarily rule out tampering. It's going to muddy up the water and throw a bunch of new information out there. I think it's very possible that people will spin up even more elaborate tampering conspiracies as a result of this recount.
It's a high risk/low reward move. Hell, even in the unlikely event that actual, honest to god, evidence of tampering was found, think about what the result would be. Play that hypothetical out in your head. What exactly is the best case scenario here?
Personally, I think this recount should take about four years, and in the meantime, have Obama run things until this mess is sorted out. Take as much time as we need to get this right!
BouncyFrag
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So is the fireworks show on again?
triplestation
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What really happens if the recount results are in Hillary's favor?
Dorsal Axe
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My understanding (not American, so I might be wrong) is that in that situation, the presidency would automatically go to the Vice-President-elect on an interim basis.
...sounds like the worst possible outcome.
EmpressInYellow
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I'm increasingly not sure of that.
Mike Pence is an awful, awful human being with deeply dangerous ideas. But at least he's an adult who's willing to work within accepted political norms.
What Trump is doing seems dangerous as a matter of kind, not just degree.
jim-jam bongs
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Way things are going, Republican Congress are just waiting to impeach him and put Pence in anyway. Didn't anyone tell you this was the darkest timeline?
I was being facetious. XD
Androidsleeps
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People keep saying Pence is worse than Trump, really? I think you better hope Pence becomes the actual president asap.
Pence won't fill his cabinet with neo-nazis, would be controlled by republican congress (as oppose to Kushner and Bannon), wouldn't use the presidency to push his shitty business around the world and wouldn't be courting the alt-right and won't be anywhere near a global embarrassment as Trump. Not to mention the thing with the press and twitter...and Russia.
C'mon people. Can you fucking see Trump giving State of the Union address? Addressing the UN general assembly? Vomit.
Pence is a shitty misogynist right-winger homophobe who agreed to run with Trump, he's many things but he's not worse than Trump...it'll be a shitty 4 years still but hey, at least Trump isn't POTUS.
Pence won't fill his cabinet with neo-nazis, would be controlled by republican congress (as oppose to Kushner and Bannon), wouldn't use the presidency to push his shitty business around the world and wouldn't be courting the alt-right and won't be anywhere near a global embarrassment as Trump. Not to mention the thing with the press and twitter...and Russia.
C'mon people. Can you fucking see Trump giving State of the Union address? Addressing the UN general assembly? Vomit.
Pence is a shitty misogynist right-winger homophobe who agreed to run with Trump, he's many things but he's not worse than Trump...it'll be a shitty 4 years still but hey, at least Trump isn't POTUS.
Dorsal Axe
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I wondered, but it's hard to know these days
DragonSworne
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Every single lie he has said about Hillary has really been him projecting. Why would this one be different?
Aaron Strife
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Yeah, I'd be worried about Pence for many reasons, but I also don't want to get nuked over a goddamn twitter fight.
It's hilarious to see the president fucking elect whine on twitter about millions of illegal votes while whining about a recount. I think the recount is a waste of time and money but if republicans are so dead set on pushing the illegal vote narrative then we should have recounts because who the fuck is to say those illegal votes went democrat. Maybe it's just a giant cover scheme for the real fraud.
TheChocoboCadet
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Then she only loses by 9,638 instead of 10,000
Tal Shiar Agent
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Remember that Trump is a perpetual projector. So there probably were millions of illegal votes, for Trump.
Salty Rice
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Nothing.
MaulerX
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Then Trump will claim that the recount process was a rigging process and how he was right all along.
Trump still wins, but his EC win gets narrower-ish.
Scarborough is having a complete meltdown this am on Morning Joe about the recount, playing the bit where Clinton was saying in a speech that Trump not abiding by the result if he lost would be a threat to democracy and laughing hysterically..
God I'm so done with that show (I was mostly listening for Mika anyway, and this morning you could tell he was really getting on her nerves with his antics) ... what a moron. /smh
God I'm so done with that show (I was mostly listening for Mika anyway, and this morning you could tell he was really getting on her nerves with his antics) ... what a moron. /smh
Calamari41
41 > 38
And he probably wouldn't be wrong. If a recount flips 100,000 votes in a couple of states, then either the election was completely rigged or the recount was completely rigged.
Inferno313
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So, when can we expect to hear results from this? How long does the process take?
It hasn't even started yet. 7-10 days most likely.
For a long while I figured Trump would be less awful than Pence, as Trump is not really a true believer in anything other than his own amazingness and perhaps could be goaded by outside forces into doing at least a few middle-of-the-road things.
With this and his cabinet/adviser picks I'm starting to hope for a quick impeachment and acceptance that the awful shit we'd see from a Pres Pence (who'd basically just be a mouthpiece for the GOPers in Congress) would pale to what could come out of a full Trump term. There's just not a whole lot I think Pence would do that Trump won't also do in the end anyways, but at least Pence has a modicum of sanity to him and isn't wrapped up in a million conflicts of interest or inclined to get into a twitter war over a perceived slight.
I think having his Twitter around is actually a good thing because we need to be reminded what kind of person this guy really is.
Hide his Twitter, and he gets to hide claim that he's doing a fine job when he's actually just throwing nonstop tantrums behind the scenes.
There will be NO hand recount in Wisconsin. The recount will be done by machine:
https://twitter.com/WrightUps/status/803271195747487744
https://twitter.com/WrightUps/status/803271195747487744
Skellig Gra
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lol and there goes millions of dollars
Here's Wisconsin's memo on the recount:
http://elections.wi.gov/sites/defau..._re_recount_procedural_issues_11_28_78651.pdf
Some things to note:
1 - Machines did not have internet access
2 - Machines were programmed by local officials, not a third party (as claimed possible by Stein)
3 - Wisconsin is confident on their vote count
4 - Because of the previous points, Stein's request to a hand recount was rejected
EDIT: Deadline to complete the recount is Dec. 12
http://elections.wi.gov/sites/defau..._re_recount_procedural_issues_11_28_78651.pdf
Some things to note:
1 - Machines did not have internet access
2 - Machines were programmed by local officials, not a third party (as claimed possible by Stein)
3 - Wisconsin is confident on their vote count
4 - Because of the previous points, Stein's request to a hand recount was rejected
EDIT: Deadline to complete the recount is Dec. 12
ClosingADoor
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Huh, but isn't that exactly the same thing that already happened? The recount is supposed to check if the machines were correct the first time.
Stein did not offer a high enough burden of proof to warrant a hand recount, in addition to her not filing in time to get a hand recount.
ClosingADoor
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Well, that's $6,276,283 down the drain as of this moment then.
Skellig Gra
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We tried to warn you guys.
jack_package_200
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Stop giving your money to known scam artists.
Yeah... Hence the tepid response from most.
It makes great headlines, but that's about it. Trump is our next president. If people hate this idea so fucking much, they should have voted. Now we're stuck.
Huge shock, just huge. What in the world were people expecting? A colossal waste of time and especially money. People need to face reality and quick getting suckered in by this blatant rip-off artist, and folks need to stop enabling her.
Now she has started the process to do the exact same thing in Pennsylvania...
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/stein-moves-for-pennsylvania-recount-231882
Now she has started the process to do the exact same thing in Pennsylvania...
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/stein-moves-for-pennsylvania-recount-231882
Lovely Salsa
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No way
Stein will sue, right? She better with all that money
Stein will sue, right? She better with all that money
RPGCrazied
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Trump said he lost the popular vote because of illegal voting. Just recount the whole thing.
Skellig Gra
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It was over before it started. I've been saying repeatedly that they are just going to redo what they did already and its not this deep fraud investigation many were touting. There are no legal grounds for that.
Lol, she is getting a basic recount and she spent millions on that already. There is no money left to sue in WI.
jack_package_200
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