Salty Rice
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This is a good thing........for the Green Party´s bank account.
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CNN: Green Party files for Wisconsin recount, audit
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No kidding.
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So Stein gets money, no votes are changed, the election rigging nonsense slogs on....and that's a good thing?
It kinda is.
jim-jam bongs
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can someone just shoot me in the fucking head
"In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally" @realDonaldTrump
Wow. Am I right in believing that this is evidence? This tweet gives legal standing to those who want to sue for an audit.
The President-Elect just said that there are millions of illegal votes. As a citizen, I demand an audit and independent review so that we can ensure the foundation of our democracy is intact.
Stunning. What a fucking stupid statement. Not only is it just dumb at face value (there aren't millions of illegal votes), but it's dumb because of its implications (giving reasons to do the recount).
Just imagine what it's going to be like when he's actually President. Every single one of these outbursts will be brought to court.
"Millions of illegal immigrants are stealing our jobs" - if the President says it, can't I sue the state or federal government to demand they stop?
Wow. Am I right in believing that this is evidence? This tweet gives legal standing to those who want to sue for an audit.
The President-Elect just said that there are millions of illegal votes. As a citizen, I demand an audit and independent review so that we can ensure the foundation of our democracy is intact.
Stunning. What a fucking stupid statement. Not only is it just dumb at face value (there aren't millions of illegal votes), but it's dumb because of its implications (giving reasons to do the recount).
Just imagine what it's going to be like when he's actually President. Every single one of these outbursts will be brought to court.
"Millions of illegal immigrants are stealing our jobs" - if the President says it, can't I sue the state or federal government to demand they stop?
Chie Satonaka
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Wait, wait.
He's saying he also won the popular vote because of massive voter fraud? Without any evidence to support that? But he doesn't want a recount?
My god. Words cannot describe how much I hate this man. I don't think I've ever hated someone as much as I hate Trump, and before him, the subject of my hate on was Ted Cruz.
He's saying he also won the popular vote because of massive voter fraud? Without any evidence to support that? But he doesn't want a recount?
My god. Words cannot describe how much I hate this man. I don't think I've ever hated someone as much as I hate Trump, and before him, the subject of my hate on was Ted Cruz.
freenudemacusers
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Nah
Imperfected
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Listen, there's no need for a recount because I already know there was massive voter fraud against me and I'm just so overwhelmingly magnanimous that I don't care, okay?
I'm willing to put this all behind us because I'm the bigger--hugest, really--man, and there's no reason to bitterly dwell on the enormous and very real fraud perpetrated by my cheating opponents in their failed bid to subvert democracy.
If he said it as President?
I mean... If PotUS says "Federal judges are being bribed," can't I use that in a Supreme Court appeal?
You Are Viewtiful
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Where is the law that says the candidate has to physically campaign in a state before their volunteers are allowed to oversee polling boots and recounts?
It's a good thing for the Green Party. Who said it was a good thing overall?
Was gonna post a thread, saw that there were already two....and got locked.
Oh well.
Never mind. Forget I said it.
rykomatsu
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California doesn't have a deadline to file for recount. Since Trump doesn't need CA EVs to win, technically this can be started whenever and the popular vote record updated whenever.
jim-jam bongs
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Clinton campaign lawyer summing it up
Wait, what?! So he's saying there's voter fraud on a massive scale, but he's against the recounts? Had he lost he'd be saying we should redo the election. Hey why not, let's do that, too!
Jesus, what a clusterfuck this year has been.
Calamari41
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Garrett 2U
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"I'll accept the election results - if I win. "
*wins election*
"The election is rigged!"
*wins election*
"The election is rigged!"
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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When is somebody going to come and take me back to the prime timeline, I can't take 4 years of this.
jack_package_200
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Do what I do. I blame Barry Allen.
Well it's rigged because he got crushed in blue states like CA by historic margins.
VetrexKnight
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I am reading random reports that 2 counties in Wisconsin have already said they over counted for Thump by the sum of 5k. Is this just fake news that is making it's rounds on facebook again?
Calamari41
41 > 38
How would they know before the recount has even started?
JORMBO
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Yes. The recount does not start until later this week. I find it best to not click on 99% of the garbage people share around FB.
If it's not on NYT or WaPo it's probably best ignored.
Aaron Strife
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Trump did lose a few thousand votes in the official count after an error was corrected. That's probably what they're referring to.
Yeah, that's fake. State of WI's election page still has it at 27k
Found a little nugget about Wisconsin law. If they don't finish the recount after 13 days, the original results will be certified for the Electoral College.
DR2K
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A few thousand votes? How does one even lose a few thousand votes?
Is there a way an individual can check and see the results of their own vote to ensure they voted for the correct party or an error of some sort at the voting machine?
Calamari41
41 > 38
I don't think Trump lost any votes in the automatic recounts. I believe that what happened is that those states were called for him when he had a certain lead, and that lead just went down by the time they were officially done counting.
madstarr12
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I'm not sure, but some sites like Cook are posting this as truth, it shows roughly 5000 votes less than the results from the Wisconsin site for Trump. But I don't think the Wisconsin SoS has updated theirs recently to take that into account.
What is Cook?
All states have until the 13th of December at the latest, anyway. Not that it matters.
Yeah, but their law is 'you have 2 weeks or else' to make it general. Wisconsin's last recount took a month, so...this might be pointless. Honestly, they could throw out the recount right now simply on the technicality of Stein not paying the filing fee when she submitted the petition.
That assumes the only point was to change the EC, which was never true.
excelsiorlef
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Because the recount is happening whether the HRC camp wanted it or not, it is happening. It only makes sense to be there to oversee something that is happening no matter what.
The Cook Political Report.
They have the most accurate/current election results.
If you compared the results in WI on say NYT, to the numbers that Cook has, Trump's total vote count has gone down by roughly 5,000 votes.
Trying to de-legitimize the EC and Trump's Presidency (Your party appointed you, you didn't win the EC, etc.) would be my guess. Assuming it gets that far, which it absolutely should not. If the states don't finish their recounts and/or certify by then, it's a real possibility that the House state constituencies will determine the next President and Vice President.
State Constituences (I'm a bit unversed in this one since it's uncharted territory, but here goes nothing)
- 50 state groups, 1 vote each
- All Congresspeople in each state vote to determine their state's choice for President
- States vote, President chosen
- Senate then chooses the VP by a majority vote
- This is done IF, and only IF, no person receives the needed 270 EC votes from the EC (This is the key factor here)
In terms of getting rid of the Electoral College, it's not going to happen. You'd need a Constitutional Amendment to re-write the entire thing. 2/3 of both houses to pass it, Presidential Signature, then 3/4 (38 I believe) of all states. I dunno about you, but I don't think that's ever going to be possible. The big thing that changed along the way was Congress locking down the number of House Members to stop growing, so the EC wouldn't grow as well. This is why you see states gain/lose EC votes with the census every 10 years. Personally, I think it's mastercraft.
jim-jam bongs
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This is a good read: https://medium.com/@davidegreenwald/why-the-wisconsin-recount-matters-f9d6513d14b5#.h1flzwjq1
Summary is that an audit may bring to light more details of the voter suppression tactics in play, which I would argue is good as it makes it easier to combat them in future elections.
Summary is that an audit may bring to light more details of the voter suppression tactics in play, which I would argue is good as it makes it easier to combat them in future elections.
I don't think you can do an audit in 2 weeks. Maybe 2 months. Maybe.
petethepanda
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...: The 2016 Story
EmpressInYellow
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This is driving me crazy. The purpose of a recount is not to CHANGE the result. It's to ENSURE the result.
And yet Trump and his supporters, who were all too happy to rant about "rigged systems" when it meant they might get to intimidate minority voters are now aghast at the idea of using a legally-established mechanism to verify the integrity of the voting system.
I'm well aware that the outcome is extraordinarily unlikely to change - so why be so upset about it? If he knows he won, just let it happen. It'll remove any doubts people might have and take away one of their potential lines of attack. A clean bill of health on the audit/recount would not delegitimize him; quite the opposite, in fact.
But no, he just can't STAND the idea that a lot of Americans really, really hate his stupid ass.
Also this, yes.
If anything, Trump's "I actually won but there were a bunch of illegal votes" shit seems like a prelude to further voter suppression efforts, to which his Justice Department (under J. Beauregard Sessions) will be a willing accomplice.
And yet Trump and his supporters, who were all too happy to rant about "rigged systems" when it meant they might get to intimidate minority voters are now aghast at the idea of using a legally-established mechanism to verify the integrity of the voting system.
I'm well aware that the outcome is extraordinarily unlikely to change - so why be so upset about it? If he knows he won, just let it happen. It'll remove any doubts people might have and take away one of their potential lines of attack. A clean bill of health on the audit/recount would not delegitimize him; quite the opposite, in fact.
But no, he just can't STAND the idea that a lot of Americans really, really hate his stupid ass.
Also this, yes.
If anything, Trump's "I actually won but there were a bunch of illegal votes" shit seems like a prelude to further voter suppression efforts, to which his Justice Department (under J. Beauregard Sessions) will be a willing accomplice.
Telling people who aren't supposed to be able to vote they aren't allowed to vote isn't voter suppression.
Someone sent me a text paste of the Pennsylvania affidavit that Stein wants people to sign, for those curious.
This is not going to fly in Pennsylvania.
EmpressInYellow
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You're missing the point.
There are no "millions of illegal votes". It's bullshit.
But the CLAIM that there were serves as justification for even more draconian voter suppression measures under the guise of stopping those nefarious illegal votes from happening again.
The single biggest goal is to get publicity for Jill and the Green Party and potentially raise money for either/both -- if not directly through leftover money, then through goodwill from the publicity later. Beyond that, it's likely just to answer questions and bring closure, which is likely the case for many of the people who donated. Jill likely doesn't give a shit about that.
Plenty of people already see the EC as "de-legitimized" without the recount happening, and just as with W Bush and Obama, will never see him as a legitimate president. Those are the voices of a tiny, but vocal minority.
If you don't think it's true, then ask yourself why he would be willing to say it? He only stands to lose from it if it's false. No one in DC likes him. Some merely will tolerate him. If he's wrong, no one will work with him, period.
Huh, Bizarre.
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Are you being serious right now? It's late and I'm tired.
Oh man.
jim-jam bongs
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A full audit is impossible, but even a partial audit could be helpful.
He would be willing to say it because he's a moron who gets his news from Alex Jones. He isn't exactly known for his ability to politic beyond the next 5 minutes.
radios shipping overview
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He says a lot of things that are blatantly false. They're part of his party line and how he operates as a politician at this point. He'll never lose any standing for lying on Twitter, and his lies generate publicity and serve to distract from things he doesn't want people paying attention to. His base is so locked into their echo chamber that they will accept anything he says as gospel.
Politicians don't take that kind of blunt position often (at least not openly). It's the kind of statement politicians on both sides in D.C. would RELISH to hold over him if it were false.
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