CNN poll : Donald Trump now competitive in general election

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Trump is perceived to be honest just because he's an abrasive asshole. He still lies, deflects, and contradicts his earlier positions.
 
old said:
Of the repub options, Trump and Kasich are the two least in bed with Koch or corporate elites.

But trump making it past primaries is still very unlikely. Serious GOP voters are spread out amongst Walker, Cruz, Paul and others. As the field narrows they'll all pile into whoever stands against Trump.
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I see assumption a lot, but I think it's a faulty one. As candidates drop out, they'll throw their support to whoever can offer them favours down the road. It's looking like nobody will be in a more realistic position to make patronage promises than Trump. Expect more than a few candidates to soften on Trump; if he's this popular with their electorate it won't cost them anything to do so.
 
KingGondo said:
Trump is perceived to be honest just because he's an abrasive asshole. He still lies, deflects, and contradicts his earlier positions.
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Wal-mart mentality.

You see maybe one two things that are actually cheap and then go and buy things that are the same or cheaper elsewhere.

Trump said some honest thing, basically, a few items people really want in large number that were cheap. In this case trump talked about some controversal issues, now everyone things he's honest/sells all cheap products.
 
pitster03 said:
If it really could somehow come down to Trump vs. Sanders. I honestly think Trump would win.

Sanders is too far to the left to make a move for the general election voters.


I think this is why they are actively looking for someone to run now and push instead of Hilary. The email scandal/general unenthusiastic views has them worried.
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Sanders is talking about what's important, and what he's saying is common sense. Trump is not addressing the real problems. In fact, Trump represents them. The wealth gap and corporate interests in our politics and the damage they are doing to our economy will resonate. Random fear issues like what Trump focuses on isn't going to motivate many voters in the middle. Sanders already has the electoral advantage on top of his platform advantage. He's also a great unscripted speaker who can go toe to toe with anyone, even Trump.
 
KingGondo said:
Trump is perceived to be honest just because he's an abrasive asshole. He still lies, deflects, and contradicts his earlier positions.
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The lies, deflections and contradictions Trump successfully spins as part of his business nature.

He's not viewed like a politician so people don't view his changing views how they would a normal candidate.
 
Wolfgunblood Garopa said:
Sanders is talking about what's important, and what he's saying is common sense. Trump is not addressing the real problems. In fact, Trump represents them. The wealth gap and corporate interests in our politics and the damage they are doing to our economy will resonate. Random fear issues like what Trump focuses on isn't going to motivate many voters in the middle. Sanders already has the electoral advantage on top of his platform advantage. He's also a great unscripted speaker who can go toe to toe with anyone, even Trump.
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The US voters vote for people like Trump. not Sanders. Sanders only has policy, Trump has personality. if voters voted on policy more than personality, we wouldn't have 2 reagan terms, we wouldnt have 2 bush terms. Even Obama was elected more on personality than policy. How easily people forget Gore, Kerry,
 
If he wins that sure would be something.

I don't know what more to say. I don't believe that he can win, that's just madness. I live in the US.
 
M52B28 said:
Well, that confirms it. American politics are a joke.

Question: Why would someone vote for him?

If anyone in this thread is voting for him and would like to give an answer, please, do so.
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You, and sometimes other people say this as if it's not the same everywhere else in big 'democracies'.

It's the same. Politicians don't win on the strength of their ideas, they win based on how they convey their ideas.


Most people don't understand the finer points of their intended policies, they just look at the person they think looks the best. Other factors such as legacy can come in, but really, it's simply a matter of riding waves.


Problem is, Hillary isn't Bill nor George Bush. She doesn't look like you'd want to be friends with her. She just looks like a severe middle-aged woman who sometimes has a crazy look in her eyes.

She'll probably win because of her name and experience and because of her sex, but it's stupid to think that American politics is crazy when it's how things are everywhere else.
 
I knew this election cycle would be great for laughs.

But it is more than a year out and it has already exceeded my expectations. This is crazy.

This may give Trump another bump as some people switch to the guy that seems to have the best chance of beating Hillary.

I've loved watching David Brooks squirm. He's been shitting on Trump and refusing to treat him as a serious candidate. I look forward to Trump turning his insult cannon towards David Brooks.
 
PlayALLtheGames said:
Then you're not trying hard enough.

Honestly, what is with these statements? Just look at the stance of both on the main issues. With Trump it's a little harder because all he does is talk about how he's going to be great without any real plans, but that alone should tell you he's not going to be a good pick.

Here's Trump on two issues:

Trump on immigration: deport all the illegals (because they're rapists and murderers), build a wall (huge waste of money) and make Mexico pay for it (lol)

Literally, if Hillary was to do NOTHING on immigration it'd be a better plan than that.

Trump on foreign policy: Iran deal should have been done in a day, China and Mexico are beating us at everything, I'd make China do whatever we want and bill Mexico for each illegal immigrant, bomb Iraqi oil fields to stop ISIS, then take the oil fields for ourselves so that "we'd have so much money."

AGAIN, if Hillary was to do absolutely fucking nothing, that would be a better strategy and keep America safer.

So, it's ridiculous for anyone to be talking about, "I can't imagine it'd be worse than Hillary." Yes, it'd be worse. Much fucking worse.
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I didn't say he was the better choice, you made that assumption alone.

I'm just saying I can't see how it will be worse, your examples may or may not be right, but there are other areas she has opinions and have made statements on that I cannot agree with in anyway. So I'll leave it at that.
but I know Trump is controversial everywhere, so I'm not surprised he is here as well.
 
I keep seeing memes on Facebook of Donald Trump standing in front of his planes, buildings, and other properties with a quote saying "We've found the one candidate that can't be bought!" I understand the hope in that.

However, when Hillary decides to launch full force when the numbers start to matter, it is going to be unlike anything we've seen before. She wanted it so bad last time that she is bringing everything she and Bill have in their artillery this time.

Bernie Sanders seems like a wonderful person to be our leader, but that will be for maybe another time. Hillary isn't letting this election (or the next one) be called for anyone else but her. I honestly have a lot of faith in her as far as leadership. Her title of "First Woman President" is so important to her that she would do anything to go down as GOAT not just a woman president, but president in general.
 
AbsintheGames said:
See, I'm not for trump but I have to ask: does not one pay attention to why he is so popular? Does anyone pay attention to the pulse of the country and why people like him?

Honest question.

When you have Hillary saying "wipe like a cloth?" in response to her being asked if she "wiped" her server - people actually wonder and are amazed Trump, regardless of his beliefs, is popular?

Its as if the only candidate not acting like a typical politician is getting all the attention.

I'm not for the guy but its really not hard to see why people are fed up with the status quo.

Just my .02 so don't kill me, GAF.
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Cut nose. Spite face.
 
Foffy said:
This fucking country. It's like the people here really want to burn this place to the ground.

Imagine if Trump was literally president. Jesus FUCK.
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People aren't happy with politicians in general, so when they see this very non politician they like the idea of him.

He'd be a terrible president, but he's refreshing in that he isn't more of the same.
 
Xenus said:
I am always amused by this view in elections. No one should run their politics based on making other people happy. If Trump happens to be the best option for America then America should vote for him. Not avoid him cause Europe or Asia doesn't like him and thinks it would be a horrible idea...
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So increasing hostilities between china and russia to "make america great again" is good for the US and the rest of the world?

What the fuck are u saying. Foreign relations and diplomacy is one of the key platforms that presidents run on.
 
speculawyer said:
I've loved watching David Brooks squirm. He's been shitting on Trump and refusing to treat him as a serious candidate. I look forward to Trump turning his insult cannon towards David Brooks.
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David Brooks insults himself every time he sends a new column to his editor.

That piece he wrote about Ta-Nahesi Coates' book was one of the most embarrassing things I've read in years.
 
krackerjack said:
I keep seeing memes on Facebook of Donald Trump standing in front of his planes, buildings, and other properties with a quote saying "We've found the one candidate that can't be bought!" I understand the hope in that.

However, when Hillary decides to launch full force when the numbers start to matter, it is going to be unlike anything we've seen before. She wanted it so bad last time that she is bringing everything she and Bill have in their artillery this time.

Bernie Sanders seems like a wonderful person to be our leader, but that will be for maybe another time. Hillary isn't letting this election (or the next one) be called for anyone else but her. I honestly have a lot of faith in her as far as leadership. Her title of "First Woman President" is so important to her that she would do anything to go down as GOAT not just a woman president, but president in general.
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This to me is why she is terrible. She is doing it to get her name in the history books not for the american people. People say Trump is narcissist, true dat but so is Hillary. She just hides it better.
 
HarryKS said:
You, and sometimes other people say this as if it's not the same everywhere else in big 'democracies'.

It's the same. Politicians don't win on the strength of their ideas, they win based on how they convey their ideas.


Most people don't understand the finer points of their intended policies, they just look at the person they think looks the best. Other factors such as legacy can come in, but really, it's simply a matter of riding waves.


Problem is, Hillary isn't Bill nor George Bush. She doesn't look like you'd want to be friends with her. She just looks like a severe middle-aged woman who sometimes has a crazy look in her eyes.

She'll probably win because of her name and experience and because of her sex, but it's stupid to think that American politics is crazy when it's how things are everywhere else.
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It totally isn't. The US and their two party system, super pacs, cheerleading brazenly partizan news networks, valourization of boasting and underlying social tensions create a political climate that is nothing like anywhere else.
 
Maninthemirror said:
The US voters vote for people like Trump. not Sanders. Sanders only has policy, Trump has personality. if voters voted on policy more than personality, we wouldn't have 2 reagan terms, we wouldnt have 2 bush terms. Even Obama was elected more on personality than policy. How easily people forget Gore, Kerry,
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Each of those cases has their reasons for why it turned out the way it did. It doesn't illuminate anything about right now.

Trump is great at what he does, and it's fantastic what he's doing to the Republicans, but the country is mostly in the middle and they know that Trump isn't the answer to what they're concerned about. They agree with breaking up the too big to fail banks. They want someone who's angry about that shit like they are. That's what will motivate the middle. They want SCJ's who will overturn CU. Issue by issue, the middle is on the same page as Bernie, not Trump.
 
Strobelite.Bunny said:
The BLM movement is cruising on bernie because he hasn't talked about his plans to fix race issues, hence why people have interrupted his speeches and grabbed the MIC.
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No, most BLM groups are very pleased with the changes in Sanders campaign after the incursions. Meeting Hillary went like that: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lIkWgTHegfo

The main problem Sanders has with minorities is probably that a lot of people just don't know him yet.
 
Damerman said:
So increasing hostilities between china and russia to "make america great again" is good for the US and the rest of the world?

What the fuck are u saying. Foreign relations and diplomacy is one of the key platforms that presidents run on.
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Im honestly very worried when you talk about the entirety of America just how many would happily be like, "China and Russia? Fuck em! Play hardball and make America win!"

Sure most of GAF would prefer not to antagonize other countries but I'm not convinced that the majority if American voters would be for more peaceful relations if it meant American concessions on global politics.
 
the whole world is laughing, so embarrassing.

did you guys see that Ethiopian official making fun of Trump when Obama was visiting there and went to see the oldest human fossil remains? he said something like "all of us are from this ancestry, even Donald Trump" to Obama. man that was good.

why would ANYONE trust such an utter buffoon to lead the biggesh super power in world history? it really boggles the mind. he should have been laughed out of the race about 5 minutes after he announced he's running (tbh that applies pretty much all other Republican candidates as well lol).
 
LiveFromKyoto said:
It totally isn't. The US and their two party system, super pacs, cheerleading brazenly partizan news networks, valourization of boasting and underlying social tensions create a political climate that is nothing like anywhere else.
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Canada had a leaders' debate the same night as the Republican primary debate but the level of discourse couldn't be any more different. The state of democracy in the US is in much worse shape than in the rest of the First World. Japan might be just as bad, but that's not a country you want to be compared to.
 
Wolfgunblood Garopa said:
Sanders is talking about what's important, and what he's saying is common sense. Trump is not addressing the real problems. In fact, Trump represents them. The wealth gap and corporate interests in our politics and the damage they are doing to our economy will resonate. Random fear issues like what Trump focuses on isn't going to motivate many voters in the middle. Sanders already has the electoral advantage on top of his platform advantage. He's also a great unscripted speaker who can go toe to toe with anyone, even Trump.
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Maybe Trump is not talking about what's important to you. If he wasn't talking about what's important to anyone, then we wouldn't see his poll numbers so high, would we?
 
Wolfgunblood Garopa said:
Sanders is talking about what's important, and what he's saying is common sense. Trump is not addressing the real problems. In fact, Trump represents them. The wealth gap and corporate interests in our politics and the damage they are doing to our economy will resonate. Random fear issues like what Trump focuses on isn't going to motivate many voters in the middle. Sanders already has the electoral advantage on top of his platform advantage. He's also a great unscripted speaker who can go toe to toe with anyone, even Trump.
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Have you actually watched a trump speech?
 
B-Dubs said:
For real, he's always bringing up the money in politics things. Hell, that was one of the funniest moments in the last debate.
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And seriously important. He pointed out how corrupt the system is but wisely made a joke when they tried to trap him by giving a specific example.

And then it went meta when other candidates on stage asked him right there on stage for a donation.
 
Kathian said:
I thought it was impossible for a Republican to be competitive in the presidential race because of maths? Gaf told me this!

Hilary is a sinking ship and not the right person to face off against Trump.
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Clinton 52 Bush 43
Clinton 51 Trump 45
Clinton 52 Walker 46
Clinton 53 Fiorina 43

She's so screwed. She can only match Obama's 2008 popular vote margin with these numbers. What a loser, a modern day blowout means nothing...we want an LBJ style blowout.
 
speculawyer said:
And seriously important. He pointed out how corrupt the system is but wisely made a joke when they tried to trap him by giving a specific example.

And then it went meta when other candidates on stage asked him right there on stage for a donation.
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That was the moment Trump went from 'joke' to 'shit just got real' for me.
 
Wolfgunblood Garopa said:
Yes. He's the guy who used to buy the politicians... lol, how that encourages anyone I have no idea. That's not going to impress anyone with at least 2 brain cells to rub together. It's funny at first.
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So he's the guy who used to buy politicians, and everyone else are the ones who are bought. Which is worse?
 
Strobelite.Bunny said:
Again proving my point.

Instead of asking why you make a defensive comment.
Then when I test you you do the usual sarcastic remark.

Same pattern. But I will tell you I don't prefer either to the other if that helps.
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No. You come into the thread with an inflammatory post, then repeatedly refuse to answer questions but instead attempt preemptive personal attacks instead of having to actually back up your statement that Hillary would somehow be just as bad as Trump without having to point to any specific platform.
 
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