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Koch money went to Walker, I thought? Bush/Rubio/Walker are the three with heavy backing according to reports.

Well, I think Fox wants Jeb and the Koch brothers want Walker . . . but they both are terrified of Trump.

Yeah, it's something like that. I should have added Walker to the list because Walker and Rubio are probably the most likely vice president material.

Yeah, actually for the longest time my reaction to his "colorful" comments were:

It was so comically shitty that I took it as more comedy.

I think what actually turned me sour on the comment and subsequent digging his heels was that people started talking about how he was the "least shitty" out of all of them. I'm like "no, that's really not the case". People giving him "credit" for "not sugar coating things". My reaction to that is: would you say the same thing if his disparaging remarks were directed at a demographic you fall squarely into? You'd give him "credit" because he insulted you without dogwhistling? (not saying you're doing that, just giving an example).

Anyway, this is getting into too much of a tangent. I'll chalk it up to me overreacting. I doubt anyone here talking about him being the least horrible actually genuinely like the guy.

Don't feel bad. You aren't overreacting at all. I'm Dominican and I don't watch television often, but just a couple of days after the whole fiasco surrounding Trump's comments I did manage to catch a moment about it on Univision (at least I think it was). There were Latinos of all hues, shapes and sizes (not just Mexicans). One recognizable personality (whose name I don't know because I don't recognize anyone except Don Fransisco lol) mentioned how we Hispanics will remember who stood with us or against us come election day. Trump's comments were borderline unacceptable and people should be angry.

This is where things get a bit strange, though. I've been living in this country nearly my whole life. We see the attitudes towards racists, ignorance, profiling and many other forms of unacceptable racist behavior. I'm happy about that, but so far in the year 2015 we still somehow can't shake institutional racism. The dog whistles are still sounding and the results aren't pretty. We've still got police brutality that hits hispanics and blacks harder than other demographics, a mess of an immigration system that makes life for Latinos particularly harsh, drug policies that ruin the lives of entire generations of black Americans (and the lives of thousands from other races) and simply unacceptable laws regarding abortion that take a woman's natural control over her body away from her. Instead of tackling these big issues all of us worry about the dumb unacceptable shit coming out of Trump's mouth and in the end I can't help feeling like we could really use that sort of energy to push those assholes in congress to fix immigration, our drug policies or implement better laws regarding women's health among other things.

Basically, some people are just looking at Trump as dark comedy, some people are legitimately hateful supporters and others (like myself) see him as a small cog in the great grinding system of inequality that is the US political system. You are totally right to be mad (entirely 100% justified), but keep in mind that the establishment Republicans are just going to be the same or worse. They just filter things out a little in order to offend our sensibilities less.

 

[EatinOlives]

Rand Paul is really going after Trump. He just launched a negative ad about how liberal Trump is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU6FTo5W7f8

I wonder if "exposing him" as a democrat will successfully rile up the Republicans. Personally my hope is that he wins the Republican nod and the next day comes out and says "I'm really an independent! Have all the abortions you want, it's not my business to rule your body! And yes, we do need to take care of everyone regarding healthcare!"

That's probably going to be the GOP/Fox News' main tactic to try to oust him. "He's not one of us! Look at all the LIBERAL things he supported! He's a phony!"

 

[Bodacious]

I still don't know what the hell that was supposed to mean.

I assume he meant in the context of 'trump card' or 'trump suit' ... i.e. beats all.

 

[Glass Joe]

That's probably going to be the GOP/Fox News' main tactic to try to oust him. "He's not one of us! Look at all the LIBERAL things he supported! He's a phony!"

I'm not one to blindly toe a company line, so actually the ad has the opposite effect on me. "Well, he's a Republican, but he's a free thinker that sees certain things as a Democrat and certain things as a Republican and goes with what he thinks is best. I'm okay with that."

But I could see the tactic working on Republicans who feel that you must conform 100% to Republican values.

 

[speculawyer]

That's probably going to be the GOP/Fox News' main tactic to try to oust him. "He's not one of us! Look at all the LIBERAL things he supported! He's a phony!"

Well, they tried it during the debate. They hit on him due to his previous positions on healthcare and abortion. But the Teflon Don deflected. And the next day, the GOP rank & file were all angry at Fox News for ambushing Trump with all that stuff.

Perhaps they are just changing the source of the attacks . . . launder them through Rand Paul.

 

[inm8num2]

It's going to be interesting to see how the Republican field whittles down in the coming months.

Side note - I was curious to see how Trump's website compares to some of the other Republican candidates w/ respect to offering his positions on various issues.

Candidates w/ dedicated "issues" pages:
https://www.bencarson.com/issues/
https://rickperry.org/issues
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/issues
https://marcorubio.com/issues/
https://www.randpaul.com/issues
https://www.bobbyjindal.com/issues/
http://www.ricksantorum.com/issues
https://www.chrischristie.com/issues

Candidates w/o dedicated "issues" pages, instead offering related info through background or "about me" info:
https://jeb2016.com/meet-jeb/?lang=en
https://www.tedcruz.org/records/
https://www.scottwalker.com/about
https://carlyforpresident.com/meet-carly
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/about

Trump's not alone in lacking an "issues" page, but without experience from political office it might do him good to have one (assuming he's 100% serious about running for President). Then again,

Mr. Trump has over 7 million followers on social media. He frequently uses this platform to advocate for Conservative causes, Republican candidates and to educate the public on the failures of the Obama administration.

Still, I'm genuinely curious if he'll still be in the race when it narrows, and if so how specific he'll be with his proposals relative to the other candidates. Also, this made me laugh:

“You’re fired!” is listed as the third greatest television catchphrase of all time.

 

[QuantumZebra]

Bush, Walker, and Rubio (the three "serious" candidates) are polling behind Trump right now. Combined.

Even if one of those guys gets the nod it's going to be an ugly process. My personal bet is Trump goes to the convention with a plurality of delegate support, the RNC screws him over by nominating Bush instead, Trump runs as a third party and all hell breaks loose.

 

[spock]

I'm not one to blindly toe a company line, so actually the ad has the opposite effect on me. "Well, he's a Republican, but he's a free thinker that sees certain things as a Democrat and certain things as a Republican and goes with what he thinks is best. I'm okay with that."

But I could see the tactic working on Republicans who feel that you must conform 100% to Republican values.

I'm an independent who leans left but who has no qualms going right for the right person. I see the ad the same exact way as you.

 

[Downhome]

There is absolutely 0% chance that the GOP would turn away Trump if he had the delegates. If he wins the primaries, and he is the pick, then they WILL embrace him and they will embrace him in a big way. You know all of that negative they are saying about him now? That will instantly end, and they will all be on board, period. They would do anything to prevent him from running 3rd party, including supporting him if they have to.

That Rand Paul ad will not mean anything. This isn't stuff that Trump has tried to hide. He blatantly says some of the same things to this very day. I don't see attack ads hurting Trump at all. For people to take him over, they are going to have to promote their stances over his, period. If you go to war with Trump, you are going to lose.

 

[Kusagari]

There is absolutely 0% chance that the GOP would turn away Trump if he had the delegates. If he wins the primaries, and he is the pick, then they WILL embrace him and they will embrace him in a big way. You know all of that negative they are saying about him now? That will instantly end, and they will all be on board, period. They would do anything to prevent him from running 3rd party, including supporting him if they have to.

They'll "support" him but I would expect them to spend almost all their money on House/Senate races instead of what they'd perceive as a losing effort.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Trump has no shot here if he gets to the election.

*Sigh* Iowa.

 

[Downhome]

They'll "support" him but I would expect them to spend almost all their money on House/Senate races instead of what they'd perceive as a losing effort.

Eh, I disagree, but we would have to wait and see. I just don't see them sitting back and not doing all that they could simply because they want to do anything in their power to prevent even 4 more years out of power after Obama.

 

[spock]

There is absolutely 0% chance that the GOP would turn away Trump if he had the delegates. If he wins the primaries, and he is the pick, then they WILL embrace him and they will embrace him in a big way. You know all of that negative they are saying about him now? That will instantly end, and they will all be on board, period. They would do anything to prevent him from running 3rd party, including supporting him if they have to.

That Rand Paul ad will not mean anything. This isn't stuff that Trump has tried to hide. He blatantly says some of the same things to this very day. I don't see attack ads hurting Trump at all. For people to take him over, they are going to have to promote their stances over his, period. If you go to war with Trump, you are going to lose.

Its funny this reminded me of the movie 8 mile where in the last battle slim shadey uses his faults and everything the other emcee could use against him in his own rhyme, basically dissing him self but being honest with I dont give a fuck attitude so his opponent couldn't use jack shit against him...

I think the whole Trump "hes being honest" bit is just a reflection of a deep want in a lot of peoples psyche. It's like we all know where not perfect and we believe what we believe but the majority is not always willing to be so free, open and flat out shameless with themselves. When they see that in Trump it resonates, its not even his content as much as it is the perception given off by the frame in how he presents said content...

 

[Downhome]

Its funny this reminded me of the movie 8 mile where in the last battle slim shadey uses his faults and everything the other emcee could use against him in his own rhyme, basically dissing him self but being honest with I dont give a fuck attitude so his opponent couldn't use jack shit against him...

Trump must be a fan, haha.

 

[jtb]

Is Jeb running the most incompetent campaign imaginable or something? I mean, I get that, with a field this big, you get flavors of the month, it's volatile, Trump won't win, etc.

But how is Jeb polling so badly, considering he's a seasoned politician and running for President literally runs in the family? And he has 100 million in Super PAC money! Is he just biding his time or is he the second coming of Rudy Guliani, where the surge (from Florida, no less) never comes?

 

[Stinkles]

“You’re fired!” is listed as the third greatest television catchphrase of all time.

And like most of Trump's successes he didn't create it. However I can't argue with his Twitter. That's either him or an incredibly empathetic writer.

 

[Glass Joe]

Is Jeb running the most incompetent campaign imaginable or something? I mean, I get that, with a field this big, you get flavors of the month, it's volatile, Trump won't win, etc.

But how is Jeb polling so badly, considering he's a seasoned politician and running for President literally runs in the family? And he has 100 million in Super PAC money! Is he just biding his time or is he the second coming of Rudy Guliani, where the surge (from Florida, no less) never comes?

My impression so far, which could change, is the guy is the son who's pressured to go into the family business but isn't all that excited about it.

And like most of Trump's successes he didn't create it. However I can't argue with his Twitter. That's either him or an incredibly empathetic writer.

He sure popularized it though and made it his. Something as generic and universal as "you're fired," can actually be associated with the guy.

 

[danm999]

Is Jeb running the most incompetent campaign imaginable or something? I mean, I get that, with a field this big, you get flavors of the month, it's volatile, Trump won't win, etc.

But how is Jeb polling so badly, considering he's a seasoned politician and running for President literally runs in the family? And he has 100 million in Super PAC money! Is he just biding his time or is he the second coming of Rudy Guliani, where the surge (from Florida, no less) never comes?

My guess is that Jeb's campaign is busy building the machine that they think will get him elected in the general. But yes, he does need to pick up his game in terms of presence, or that could all be for nothing.

 

[Oddduck]

My impression so far, which could change, is the guy is the son who's pressured to go into the family business but isn't all that excited about it.

I remember Trump criticized Jeb Bush for exactly that.

He said something along the lines of..."Jeb Bush looks like someone who doesn't even want to run for president. He doesn't seem very excited to run for president."

 

[Tarkus]

Yessss
With Bernie's popularity increasing and Hiliary's baggage accumulating, this is getting very interesting.

Self-proclaimed socialist Sanders vs. anti-politician The Donald. You know how that ends.

 

[spock]

With Bernie's popularity increasing and Hiliary's baggage accumulating, this is getting very interesting.

Self-proclaimed socialist Sanders vs. anti-politician The Donald. You know how that ends.

If it comes down to those 2 as of right now I'd go Sanders. If it ends up Hillary vs Trump, ehhh not sure. I want to say Trump but I dont know enough about his details and plans yet. However I do know there is something I just dont vibe right trust wise with Hillary. She bleeds politics...(out of her eyes or wherever..)

 

[Kusagari]

Is Jeb running the most incompetent campaign imaginable or something? I mean, I get that, with a field this big, you get flavors of the month, it's volatile, Trump won't win, etc.

But how is Jeb polling so badly, considering he's a seasoned politician and running for President literally runs in the family? And he has 100 million in Super PAC money! Is he just biding his time or is he the second coming of Rudy Guliani, where the surge (from Florida, no less) never comes?

The base seems to hate him a billion times more than Romney.

 

[Tarkus]

If it comes down to those 2 as of right now I'd go Sanders. If it ends up Hillary vs Trump, ehhh not sure. I want to say Trump but I dont know enough about his details and plans yet. However I do know there is something I just dont vibe right trust wise with Hillary. She bleeds politics...(out of her eyes or wherever..)

There will definitely be blood when that server is dissected. We're talking about the potential for federal felony charges for this. Even if not, her opponents have major dirt to destroy her in debates.

 

[Sunset Samurai]

Sanders vs Trump debate? Wonder how that'd go

 

[Azih]

Remember guys. America also elected pretend cowboy Ronald Reagan to the highest office in the land.

 

[Alcibiades]

Regarding Trump's quote on Mexico, rapists, etc. If you look at the actual quote hes not saying all Mexicans, (legal or not) are rapists, etc. His stance (which I think is a bit crazy) and actual quote is that rapists and criminals who happen to be Mexican are being intentionally helped or being ignored by the Mexican Government in crossing the border. That's not the same as saying illegal Mexicans are criminals. Hes talking about criminals who happen to be illegal Mexicans. There is a big difference in intent and meaning. If you argue otherwise your being intellectually dishonest.

I only wrote this because I'm not a fan of anyone getting their words twisted by the press, etc.

He is right to some extent. Criminals regularly get away in Mexico due to incompetent/corrput law enforcement. Heck even if they are caught prison breakouts happen regularly with the help of prison officials.

SOME of those make it across the border and I doubt the Mexican government cares at all about stopping them since they are in over their heads with the cartels and many times in bed with them.

I imagine if criminals ran rampart in the US with prisoners breaking out near the Canadian border there would be outrage of some kind. That is business as usual in Mexico though.

I live in Laredo, TX and although things are relatively peaceful on the U.S. side, drugs and human smuggling are regular happenstance and no one seems to care to do anything about it (certainly not Bush or Clinton). I am much more offended by politicians that don't give a crap than by anything Trump has said. U. S. citizens send hundreds of millions in drug money to cartels that cause suffering and our government sends tax dollars to Mexico to fight those cartels, yet the media is more focused on distorting Trump's comments than actually having a serious discussion.

I don't agree with his policies but at least Trump feigns giving a crap about all this.

 

[spock]

Sanders vs Trump debate? Wonder how that'd go

My guess Trump would say something like "Bernie, you seem and sound like a nice guy, but the world doesnt work like that and your not being realistic...Trying to do what you want to do is just going to waste time and money because it will never fly with this country...Its a losers game..."

The key here is Trump will use his speaking skills using tonality and infliction that will create a sense of sarcasm yet have an undertone of understanding. So you'll have people hearing his message saying "Trump is telling Bernie how it is!" However one group will be framing that in the form of bravado and insightful arrogance, basically saying Trump stuck it to Bernie... While another group hearing the same message will still see the bravado and arrogance but in sympathetic frame. Group 2 will say Trump is just being a realist or pragmatist in relation to congress and the senate.

 

[Stinkles]

Can we stop acting like having zero social filter or self awareness is a useful trait for anyone except a comedian? If he's an honest racist misogynist, that isn't empirically good.

 

[danm999]

There will definitely be blood when that server is dissected. We're talking about the potential for federal felony charges for this. Even if not, her opponents have major dirt to destroy her in debates.

Wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Can we stop acting like having zero social filter or self awareness is a useful trait for anyone except a comedian? If he's an honest racist misogynist, that isn't empirically good.

I'm convinced he is a secret agent. Or his hair is.

 

[Euron]

My impression so far, which could change, is the guy is the son who's pressured to go into the family business but isn't all that excited about it.

Until just a little under 2 months ago, I thought Jeb would be a shoe in for the Republican Nomination. Now, I'm not so sure anymore. Candidates could always drop out and give him their supporters but it is actually becoming more and more clear that becoming president is not something Jeb truly wants to do. I'm very inclined to believe that he was pressured by his father and others to run. That doesn't mean he'll drop out, he just doesn't have his heart in this as much as he should and that's showing in his presentation.

There is absolutely 0% chance that the GOP would turn away Trump if he had the delegates. If he wins the primaries, and he is the pick, then they WILL embrace him and they will embrace him in a big way. You know all of that negative they are saying about him now? That will instantly end, and they will all be on board, period. They would do anything to prevent him from running 3rd party, including supporting him if they have to.

That Rand Paul ad will not mean anything. This isn't stuff that Trump has tried to hide. He blatantly says some of the same things to this very day. I don't see attack ads hurting Trump at all. For people to take him over, they are going to have to promote their stances over his, period. If you go to war with Trump, you are going to lose.

People are underestimating the GOP here. If Trump is the leader when the primaries are ending, then Trump will get the nomination and the party will do as much as possible to get him to the White House. The threat of Trump running as an independent is real and the GOP clearly sees this. Most Republicans will not vote for Hillary. Instead of allowing the votes to be divided between the Republican Party and Trump, it would be in the GOP's best interest to consolidate things by giving Trump the nomination if he is indeed still leading, then give him the strongest VP they can find who might have a shot at swaying people away from Hillary. If Trump starts to decline, then they'll back somebody like Walker or even Rubio (I still think his time won't come until next election at the earliest) without a second thought.


But my dream election is still Trump vs Sanders. Two candidates with amazing speaking abilities (in very different ways of course) who defy the conventions of politics. The debates would be the greatest of all time, that's for certain at least.

 

[Downhome]

Can you even begin to imagine Donald Trump in one of those free form, one on one, just walking around on stage debates against ANYONE else?

I salivate at the possibility of that becoming a reality.

 

[strikeselect]

All according to keikaku

 

[spock]

Can we stop acting like having zero social filter or self awareness is a useful trait for anyone except a comedian? If he's an honest racist misogynist, that isn't empirically good.

I rather have someone without a filter who's dirt I know up front than some snakes in the grass who say one thing but behind close door believe another...Obviously Trump has plenty of shit he hasn't said openly and unfiltered, but his being more off the cuff does make it easier to tell where he stands on things and the depth at which he stands...(its easier to read a person who is not working off a teleprompter, etc. They give away much more in their linguistics, body language, tonality, etc.)

Why is it not a useful trait? Why should it only be for comedians? How is it not being self aware? Because hes not self censoring? Maybe its my age/generation (37) but this overly PC and not wanting step on toes is annoying as fuck. It reminds of some of the Gaf discussions on being a so called man and masculine traits, gender identity, etc. It's like personally I do my best to respect everyone in how they want to view, act and run their lives...(as long as we aint cock blocking each other in ways that hurt or significantly impact one anothers lives)

However if I say something like "I need to man up" about something some people will give me shit and say "oh not that man up crap"...

I dont see equality as me agreeing with you I see equality as me and you respecting and letting one another agree to whatever the fuck we each want to agree with. Perhaps I'm different in that I can be good friends with someone I dont see eye to eye with on many issues as long as there is a level of mutual respect. I do have some friends on the left who can barley sit at a table with someone from the right. To me thats mindboggling.

I do my best to have love for everyone or as many people as possible that I interact with. Many moments of my life have been perceiving the world as 1 being but with many faces and structures of identity. Experiencing the world in that frame of perception you see how stories, beliefs, experiences, etc have created those filters and frames most of us are experiencing the world through.

Most people dont see the filters and frames, they only see the differences, gaps and contextual mis matches of those filters and frames that the world reflects back at them, but that reflection is composed of meanings they give (most of the time), instead of the actual intent of what ever they are interacting with (people, situations, etc). It's like an unconscious feedback loop.

Clearly sometimes our impression/meanings are correct but my guess is many times they are not or they are composed of "bits" of truth and combined with our own bits of judgement. Like most of our sensory experiences (vision, sound, etc) we pattern match and then fill in the gaps, well we do that with our thoughts to...

Went a bit off the rails there, apologies...

 

[Hatchtag]

i am an iowan and i fully plan on voting for trump, unless i have something better to do that day

 

[Stinkles]

I rather have someone without a filter who's dirt I know up front than some snakes in the grass who say one thing but behind close door believe another...Obviously Trump has plenty of shit he hasn't said openly and unfiltered, but his being more off the cuff does make it easier to tell where he stands on things and the depth at which he stands...

Why is it not a useful trait? Why should only be for comedians? How is it not being self aware? Because hes not self censoring? Maybe its my age/generation (37) but this overly PC and not wanting step on toes is annoying as fuck. It reminds of some of the Gaf discussions on being a so called man and masculine traits, gender identity, etc. It's like personally I do my best to respect everyone in how they want to view, act and run their lives...(as long as we aint cock blocking each other in ways that hurt or significantly impact one anothers lives)

However if I say something like "I need to man up" about something some people will give me shit and say "oh not that man up crap"...

I dont see equality as me agreeing with you I see equality as me and you respecting and letting one another agree to whatever the fuck we each want to agree with. Perhaps I'm different in that I can be good friends with someone I dont see eye to eye with on many issues as long as there is a level of mutual respect. I do have some friends on the left who can barley sit at a table with someone from the right. To me thats mindboggling.

I do my best to have love for everyone or as many people as possible that I interact with. Many moments of my life have been perceiving the world as 1 being but with many faces and structures of identity.

Went a bit off the rails there, apologies...

Because a president must also be a diplomat.

This one has called our largest trade partner a criminal and threatened to default on our debts to it and called the other one a gang of rapists.

This is hardly a nuanced reading of it.

 

[Downhome]

spock, preach it brother...

(I'm 35, fwiw.)

 

[Tarkus]

spock for Trump's vp

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

They will all line like ducks behind Bush.

I'm thinking this is the election where Americans get fed up with being constantly reminded who they are going to vote for.

Bush/Clinton has been pushed so hard that it has become passé.

 

[kirblar]

Is Jeb running the most incompetent campaign imaginable or something? I mean, I get that, with a field this big, you get flavors of the month, it's volatile, Trump won't win, etc.

But how is Jeb polling so badly, considering he's a seasoned politician and running for President literally runs in the family? And he has 100 million in Super PAC money! Is he just biding his time or is he the second coming of Rudy Guliani, where the surge (from Florida, no less) never comes?

A lot of people have put a lot of money behind a turd blossom. The family name is toxic, he doesn't have the charisma of the other two before him- it's going to be hilarious.

 

[Froli]

In some future alternate universe, Trump wins. I feel scared and concerned for USA...

 

[m_shortpants]

I am starting to freak out.

President Trump

Holy shit

 

[SolarPowered]

Can we stop acting like having zero social filter or self awareness is a useful trait for anyone except a comedian? If he's an honest racist misogynist, that isn't empirically good.

I don't agree with this. You have got to be super self aware and very careful as a comedian or you end up with a dead career lol. You are right about the rest, though. The reason I'm personally okay with his lack of self awareness is simple. That brashness and idiocy will easily make him an ineffectual president. Our reputation abroad will be seriously damaged, but he won't be able to enact policy the way actual elected republican officials can. I think this is what I was struggling to get across to EatinOlives in my earlier post. Current Republican politicians... most of them are fucking insane. I don't want these guys leading. A bumbling clown is better than straight up evil.

I am starting to freak out.

President Trump

Holy shit

Yeah, people were talking about it like a joke before, but now people are moving into more heavy speculation. It's creepy how fast the transition took place in a lefty hivemind like GAF. America might give us a nasty surprise if Hillary fucks this up.

 

[Dude Abides]

I rather have someone without a filter who's dirt I know up front than some snakes in the grass who say one thing but behind close door believe another...Obviously Trump has plenty of shit he hasn't said openly and unfiltered, but his being more off the cuff does make it easier to tell where he stands on things and the depth at which he stands...(its easier to read a person who is not working off a teleprompter, etc. They give away much more in their linguistics, body language, tonality, etc.)

Why is it not a useful trait? Why should it only be for comedians? How is it not being self aware? Because hes not self censoring? Maybe its my age/generation (37) but this overly PC and not wanting step on toes is annoying as fuck. It reminds of some of the Gaf discussions on being a so called man and masculine traits, gender identity, etc. It's like personally I do my best to respect everyone in how they want to view, act and run their lives...(as long as we aint cock blocking each other in ways that hurt or significantly impact one anothers lives)

However if I say something like "I need to man up" about something some people will give me shit and say "oh not that man up crap"...

I dont see equality as me agreeing with you I see equality as me and you respecting and letting one another agree to whatever the fuck we each want to agree with. Perhaps I'm different in that I can be good friends with someone I dont see eye to eye with on many issues as long as there is a level of mutual respect. I do have some friends on the left who can barley sit at a table with someone from the right. To me thats mindboggling.

I do my best to have love for everyone or as many people as possible that I interact with. Many moments of my life have been perceiving the world as 1 being but with many faces and structures of identity. Experiencing the world in that frame of perception you see how stories, beliefs, experiences, etc have created those filters and frames most of us are experiencing the world through.

Most people dont see the filters and frames, they only see the differences, gaps and contextual mis matches of those filters and frames that the world reflects back at them, but that reflection is composed of meanings they give from within (most of the time), instead of the actual intent of what every they are interacting with (people, situations, etc). It's like an unconscious feedback loop.

Clearly sometimes our impression/meanings are correct but my guess is many times they are not or they composed of "bits" of truth and combined with our own bits of judgement. Like most of our sensory experiences (vision, sound, etc) we pattern match and then fill in the gaps, well we do that with our thoughts to...

Went a bit off the rails there, apologies...

spock, preach it brother...

(I'm 35, fwiw.)

I'm 39 and I much prefer someone who is thoughtful and thinks about what he says rather than a glib TV star who just spouts any damn thing that pops into his head. Let's leave the celebrity worship to the kids, ok?

 

[spock]

I'm 39 and I much prefer someone who is thoughtful and thinks about what he says rather than a glib TV star who just spouts any damn thing that pops into his head. Let's leave the celebrity worship to the kids, ok?

And I completely respect your position and stance. But your preference is just that. A preference. I dont see your or my own preference as right or wrong (better or worse) in this context. Their just different preferences, like flavors of ice cream. I dont care if hes a celebrity or not. The point of my post was to shed some light on why some people do prefer his bravado, etc.

This early in the game. it makes sense for Trump to give his stance in broad strokes as long as what he means and believes is getting through. Details at this juncture is probobly not the best strategy for him. Down the line details will be a key strategy. I've mentioned this before but if you study marketing, in particular copywriting (selling in print) Trump is making the right moves at the moment in his approach and framing.

Many on the forums have a hard time understanding the appeal of trump, they label him and any who support him as stupid, dumb, etc. Whats funny and ironic is they put trump on blast for calling people stupid, losers, etc yet they are doing and saying exactly that about Trump and his supporters.

On a side note related to the topic in general, I expect to agree and disagree on certain things with whoever ends up being pres, going in with that frame I start observing things from multiple angles. What they say, how they say it, etc. While I do go by my reason and logic I do also trust and use my gut and feelings. Sometimes theres conflict there and I need more data. Thats where I'm at with trump and hillary, but like i mentioned earlier something about hillary is not resonating right.

 

[gutter_trash]

i am an iowan and i fully plan on voting for trump, unless i have something better to do that day

like true patriot

 

[lawnchair]

Trump surging, Bernie surging, Im surging.

surging! surging! surging!

 

[danm999]

Many on the forums have a hard time understanding the appeal of trump, they label him and any who support him as stupid, dumb, etc. Whats funny and ironic is they put trump on blast for calling people stupid, losers, etc yet they are doing and saying exactly that about Trump and his supporters.

It is not stupid to call out stupidity.

Saying you're going to build a big powerful wall on the Mexican border and force Mexico to pay for it is a deeply, deeply stupid policy.

 

[Annubis]

« Change the immigration economy terrorism » ?

I guess I can support that... if that means what I think it means... which I'm not sure at all.

 

[shrek]

Jeb just seems bored and rusty politically. I don't think he'll be the nominee; his last name seals the deal.

If I were the republicans, I'd be backing Kasich as I think he has the best shot at winning the general election. He has the resume, can act like a moderate, and a republican hasn't been elected without winning Ohio (not that the guy isn't a right-wing nutcase underneath). Honestly I think he's the only R who can win, unless something catastrophic happens to the D's.