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[Seth Enosh]

I don't get it. Are these guys that dependent on lobbyist money? Obama won re-election with obamacare. Has never been more popular with the general public. 6+ years of trying to repeal it for some reason.

Obamacare was unpopular with the majority of the public until 2017. It actually grew around 10% in unpopularity beteeen 2010 and 2014. http://www.gallup.com/poll/207671/affordable-care-act-gains-majority-approval-first-time.aspx

The Obamacare markets have also been very unsuccessful in the goals that were set out originally. Obamacare individual exchanges were supposed to control healthcare costs, which instead have continued to skyrocket and premiums have soared. Many people are opting out of the exchanges due to the premiums, and insurers are failing or backing out of the exchanges.

Meanwhile, people who are on employer health insurance are being told by HR and insurance industry representatives that their premiums are going up due to Obamacare. There are a lot of people who haven't been affected positively by the law.

 

[jiggle]

CBO says 20% higher premiums and 16 million lose insurance. Source.

They scored it already?
Damn
The end is nigh

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Obamacare was unpopular with the majority of the public until 2017. It actually grew around 10% in unpopularity beteeen 2010 and 2014. http://www.gallup.com/poll/207671/affordable-care-act-gains-majority-approval-first-time.aspx

The Obamacare markets have also been very unsuccessful in the goals that were set out originally. Obamacare individual exchanges were supposed to control healthcare costs, which instead have continued to skyrocket and premiums have soared. Many people are opting out of the exchanges due to the premiums, and insurers are failing or backing out of the exchanges.

Meanwhile, people who are on employer health insurance are being told by HR and insurance industry representatives that their premiums are going up due to Obamacare. There are a lot of people who haven't been affected positively by the law.

ACA did prevent premiums from rising as fast as they would have under the previous situation. Issues were also exacerbated by the fact that many GOP governors chose to reject additional federal funding to expand Medicaid. Which left many people out in the cold.

People want to see ACA stay and it be improved. Not it be blown up or sabotaged.

 

[antonz]

Most Hatred towards the ACA has always been built on bullshit. Death panels, Health Care Rationing etc. They managed to Hillary Clinton the ACA within a year of it being announced as a concept.

Which is amazing considering the Republican Bills all call for Health Care rationing and essentially would establish Death Panels. The ACA had over 150+ amendments put onto it by Republicans etc. that purposefully set out to sabotage the system. It is and never was by any means perfect but it was an effective starting path towards a better system if both sides of the aisle genuinely cared about improving things.

 

[Seth Enosh]

ACA did prevent premiums from rising as fast as they would have under the previous situation. Issues were also exacerbated by the fact that many GOP governors chose to reject additional federal funding to expand Medicaid. Which left many people out in the cold.

People want to see ACA stay and it be improved. Not it be blown up or sabotaged.

Well, check the polling I cited. 90% of republicans were opposed to the ACA/Obamacare.

I'm not saying they are right, just that it's a fact that many, many people have hated Obamacare for years and have been told by sources they trust (tv news, insurance representatives, etc) that Obamacare is at fault for the skyrocketing premiums, cancellation of insurance plans, etc.

It's no surprise the republicans have been running on repealing Obamacare for 6 years. It was a political winner. Now that they are the proverbial dog that caught the car, and with Trump in charge, they are in big trouble though.

Which is amazing considering the Republican Bills all call for Health Care rationing and essentially would establish Death Panels. The ACA had over 150+ amendments put onto it by Republicans etc. that purposefully set out to sabotage the system. It is and never was by any means perfect but it was an effective starting path towards a better system if both sides of the aisle genuinely cared about improving things.

All those 150 amendments were added to the bill by Democratic votes though. The republicans didn't have a majority in the house or senate, no amendment could pass without democratic support. Saying the bill was poisoned by the republicans ignores that.

Fact checkers say that 150 amendment claim is very dubious btw. Most of the amendments were technical, not substantive. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...tierrez-says-hundreds-republican-amendments-/

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Republicans tend to hate a lot of people and things. But the thing is now, they like it overall. In the stuff that matters currently, they don't want to see it blown up. They want to see it improved. And yeah, basically they're the dog that caught the car. ACA was a republican plan. They just needed a boogeyman to rile people up. More GOP leaders have recently come out admitting they were full of crap and just harped on it because it got their base excited. They don't actually want anything to do with truly fixing healthcare.

 

[Green Yoshi]

"Stop listening to the bombastic loudmouths on the radio and the television and the Internet. To hell with them. They don't want anything done for the public good -- our incapacity is their livelihood. Let's trust each other. Let's return to regular order."

https://youtu.be/aS8K90zFgUE?t=364

 

[BriGuy]

https://youtu.be/aS8K90zFgUE?t=364

That's cute, but in McCain's worldview, the "bombastic loudmouths" are the ones who disagree with the Republican agenda. His plea to come together is little more than code for "get on board with us or get out of the way."

 

[SomTervo]

I'm not saying they are right, just that it's a fact that many, many people have hated Obamacare for years and have been told by sources they trust (tv news, insurance representatives, etc) that Obamacare is at fault for the skyrocketing premiums,

That's not what you started off saying. You started off by saying that Obamacare IS at fault, not that people have been "told" Obamacare is at fault.

 

[Seth Enosh]

That's not what you started off saying. You started off by saying that Obamacare IS at fault, not that people have been "told" Obamacare is at fault.

Well, the original quote I was responding to said that obamacare was never unpopular, that's what the discussion was around. It's just a fact obamacare has literally always been unpopular until the awfulness of the AHCA and BCRA made it look better in comparison.

Also, the exchanges have are clearly failing in many states, so I still stand by my original statement that Obamacare has not achieved the goals we were promised. The individual markets have become unprofitable in places and insurance companies were already pulling out in 2016 (yes, trump has made things worse but Obama himself couldn't keep the exchanges on course). The Obamacare health care co-ops also failed and went out of business.

Some fix is needed. Just not what the republicans were offering.

 

[jroc74]

Seven Republicans against is a great result. I mean, their reasons for not supporting it probably aren't great, but that's not close by these standards

I agree. This is a huge number IMO.