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CoD Black Ops |OT| Always Bet On Black
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shichishito
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johnFkennedy said:
How is that possible? People were dying 3, 4, 5 times in a row at the same spawn? Yet still went running like chickens when they spawn in the same spot? The spawns look like crap...but any decent team should have been able to deal with that guy.
edit: I'm sure any footage that max was going to put up tonight would have elucidated his frustrations. I know I'd appreciate seeing it before judging his statements. Can't fault him for venting a bit and I assume he's pissed about the issues he mentioned earlier.
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Don't get me wrong. My K/D in BO is 2.7. I'm not garbage at this game.
The spawning is the most infuriating thing ever. In order to prevent things like spawn traps, they make opponents spawn in random places in the map. But they're not exactly random, as much as they will only spawn behind you.
And I'm not exaggerating when I explain this scenario.
Team Deathmath
I infiltrate an area, kill 1 guy and another kills me.
I respawn within 10 meters of the same location, same guy aims down sight, kills me.
Respawn again. And I am not shitting you when I say this. I live for 2 seconds before the same goddam opponent knives me in the back. Watching the killcam, I was 2 feet in front of him.
Sometimes it works in your favor as well. Like I said, I have a video being uploaded where 4 enemys spawn 5 feet in front of me, while I shoot each of them in the back of the head.
I've been playing COD since COD4 extensively. But never this bad before.
It's
fucking
horrible
Stick to search and destroy.
The spawning is the most infuriating thing ever. In order to prevent things like spawn traps, they make opponents spawn in random places in the map. But they're not exactly random, as much as they will only spawn behind you.
And I'm not exaggerating when I explain this scenario.
Team Deathmath
I infiltrate an area, kill 1 guy and another kills me.
I respawn within 10 meters of the same location, same guy aims down sight, kills me.
Respawn again. And I am not shitting you when I say this. I live for 2 seconds before the same goddam opponent knives me in the back. Watching the killcam, I was 2 feet in front of him.
Sometimes it works in your favor as well. Like I said, I have a video being uploaded where 4 enemys spawn 5 feet in front of me, while I shoot each of them in the back of the head.
I've been playing COD since COD4 extensively. But never this bad before.
It's
fucking
horrible
Stick to search and destroy.
DarknessTear
Banned
LeMaximilian said:
That's all I play anyway... but I guess it'd be nice if I could enjoy other modes... :lol
Net_Wrecker
Member
LeMaximilian said:
I still don't see how it's any worse than MW2 which was the exact same way with the spawning system.
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Net_Wrecker said:
25 days, 10th prestige and K/D of 3.10 in MW2. MW2's was bad...but I've never seen shit like this.
Freedom = $1.05
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It sounds like the world at war spawn system. Still, maybe with enough feedback they'll find a way to fix it. Aw hell, who am I kidding :lolmYm|17| said:
Net_Wrecker
Member
LeMaximilian said:
Then you must be the luckiest guy ever because stuff like that made me stop playing MW2 in January. I saw situations like yours in almost every match. The horrible maps with 100+ entry points to every building made the situation even worse. People spawning within 10 feet of where they died, or almost directly behind you was DEFINITELY in MW2, and most likely just as bad as it is in BO.
Mr. Enigma
Member
In MW2, I often got killed by people whose killcams began with them dying and respawning literally 5 feet away from me before they killed me. Never saw this in CoD4 or WaW.
Hopefully the bad spawning is only present in certain map/gametype combos.
Sorta like in MW2 playing Demo on Favela. Each team had about.. 1 spawn spot. I remember one game I was instantly shotgun killed about 5 times in a row by the same player.
Sorta like in MW2 playing Demo on Favela. Each team had about.. 1 spawn spot. I remember one game I was instantly shotgun killed about 5 times in a row by the same player.
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Banned
Welp, at least spawns are somewhat fixable.
Mr Sandman
Banned
I'm sure if the spawns are that bad they'll fix them (somewhat). WaW had bad spawns; they fixed them and now they are ok. Occasionally I'll get a bad spawn, but I guess that's just a staple of the genre.
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Eric WK said:Hilarious seeing people attack LeMaximilian. He's probably the GAF member I'd most trust with early impressions considering his history with the series.
Total bummer about the spawns.
Thx Eric. But honestly I don't mind. The game will be in the hands of everyone by Tuesday. And unless there's a day 1 patch, they can see for themselves.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
LeMaximilian said:
LeMax, I know that the PC version hasn't been released but is it possible that it will be better when it comes to respawning?
Net_Wrecker
Member
Dresden said:
I got his point, but my point was that it was just as bad in MW2 from what I've seen, and still doesn't help my understand his ORIGINAL point of why he thinks MW2 is a better shooter than BO. If they both have the same spawn issues (or close to the same issues), yet BO seems to have balanced most of MW2's other problems, shouldn't BO be better by default?
Eric WK said:Hilarious seeing people attack LeMaximilian. He's probably the GAF member I'd most trust with early impressions considering his history with the series.
Total bummer about the spawns.
I'm not attacking him. I just like clear, precise arguments, especially about this game because I'm already being cautious due to MW2. If the spawning system is WORSE than MW2, I'll admit that if I come across it, but let's not act as if the spawns in MW2 weren't the worst spawns ever.
Again, I'll be clear, I'm not attacking him with my responses.
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
LovingSteam said:
Everything I said is in consideration to the 360 version of the game. However, things like spawning have been expressed in the past and patched. I only hope they do something about it.
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Net_Wrecker said:
After 3 straight days of playing the MP, I'd rather play MW2 right now. And I fucking despise MW2.
Net_Wrecker
Member
LeMaximilian said:
OK, if you honestly feel like the spawns are bad enough that you want to play MW2 then that's your decision. From what I've seen, I thought the balances would outweigh the spawn system, but you feel differently so I'll accept that. You also admitted to playing an obscene amount of MW2 so I applaud you for your courage, and patience.
Eric WK said:
Well the bad spawns did make those glitches seem worse so I think spawn complaints are valid.
Snapshot King
Member
Good thing my standards for a new shooter is oooh shiny new guns whee.
Net_Wrecker said:
In the hundreds of hours of Modern Warfare 2 I played, I never encountered spawn problems akin to what he's describing, i.e., literally spawning in front of the same player multiple times in a row. The spawn problems in that game were primarily a result of becoming spawn trapped while the opponents had kill streaks going. Which isn't to say that other spawn problems didn't exist, but I never found them to be too terribly prevalent.
This is just another piece of evidence supporting the concept of a public beta for games like this. If it's serious, a patch will be out eventually, but widespread testing prior to launch would have been ideal. Ah, well.
Net_Wrecker
Member
Eric WK said:
Again, in my limited, rage inducing 3 months playing MW2, a large portion of my kills and deaths were from people that I just killed that spawned 5 feet away, around the corner, or directly behind/in front of me. It happened so much that I could IMMEDIATELY tell when my death was from someone I just killed, and the kill-cam usually proved me right. Maybe your experience was different somehow, and maybe it really is worse in BO, but MW2 was downright horrible in this aspect.
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
So I don't seem crazy. Here's a brief and minor example of what I'm talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4acqzdjghc8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4acqzdjghc8
Snapshot King
Member
LeMaximilian said:
Haha fuckin shit god damn.
Mr Sandman
Banned
:lol Damn. There's no way that won't (edit: er will?) go unfixed, though. Until that patch it will be annoying...or fun.LeMaximilian said:
Neverender
Member
6 hours to midnight launch (Aus)
(Aus)LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Mr Sandman said::lol Damn. There's no way that won't go unfixed, though. Until that patch it will be annoying...or fun.
If you kill more than 3 people, you better believe at least 2 of them will spawn not directly close, but behind you.
Snapshot King
Member
lobdale said:
Looks like above...?
Net_Wrecker
Member
LeMaximilian said:
Man, I feel like a dick for continuing this argument, but here's some examples to prove that I'M not crazy either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxW7tiw88xU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvYL65NRpwk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0-M73BdKWc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHngW1xXqNY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUGOWgQOxaI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtHL4u7i_Kk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K10dJTUr7O4
This happened ALL THE TIME, especially when you lock a team to one point in Domination. Hell that even happened in Cod4, especially on Downpour.
Red Blaster
Member
LeMaximilian said:
It's lame that it's still in Black Ops but the same exact shit happened in MW2.
Edit: Net Wrecker's got it covered
itsnervedamage
Member
LeMaximilian said:
You're playing Domination and they have one flag. I guess Trey needs to tweak how fast the spawns flip, but if the rest of your team is way back or something there isn't really a good place to spawn them.
It's kinda bad that they spawn from the spot right to the left though...probably need to add a trigger for proximity. I bet it's more weighted on line of sight or something currently.
LeMaximilian
Alligator F*ck House
Net_Wrecker said:
I think that's kindve the point in domination. When you lock down an enemy to one zone, and force them to stay there...they deserve to respawn in near the same location. I dunno, just my opinion that I'd expect enemies to spawn near the location they're holding down.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
As far as MW3 goes - is anyone hoping all the new talent that joined IW will overhaul the engine?
I play on PC so it's not an issue for me but you'd think on consoles, after 5 years, that they'd break out of the 600p barrier and finally get it running in 720p60.
I play on PC so it's not an issue for me but you'd think on consoles, after 5 years, that they'd break out of the 600p barrier and finally get it running in 720p60.
crimzonflame
Member
To people giving the user who complained about the spawn system a hard time I actually agree with him. The spawning system in this game is atrocious. The maps are smaller than than they were in MW2 so expect to be spawn trapped and or never really getting room to breath right after being spawned.