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[Men_in_Boxes]

As you watch this remember, people who tell the truth often use high detail because they have nothing to hide and they actually experienced said event.

People who lie use generalities (detail can get them caught) and often accuse the skeptic of being a bad person for not believing them. IE: "You actually think I would cheat on you Sarah?! I thought our love was stronger than that."

Which strategy does Colin employ here?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Reeeaaaalllly stretching out this engagement here, Colin.

 

[ReBurn]

He knows what to say to keep you watching I guess.

 

[clarky]

Let it go dude. lol.

Shit was expensive.

How expensive? Not 400millon but fucking expensive no doubt about that.

 

[StueyDuck]

Im Still waiting for the naysayers present anything more than feelings?

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

I trust Colin over pretty much anyone else in the gaming "news" circle. Besides, the bigger the failure, the deeper the lessons learned.

 

[Coloress_Kafka]

OP….. do you know a Sarah in real life or did you just pick that name at random


Ehhhhh on topic, 400 million sounds like the total budget including marketing not the money actually spent.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Care to summarize what he said?

 

[MacReady13]

I was watching the Spawn Wave live show that had that little mongrel Jason Schreier on it, and he was making fun of Colin for only having 1 source for a story. Jason claims he wouldn't go with a story with just 1 source. Well I'm sorry Jason, but I put my faith in Colin FAR more than the bullshit you dribble out.

Anyway, great explanation from Colin. Basically, believe him if you want or not, he has gone with a story from a guy he vetted and spoke to 3 times. He's ONLY reporting what he was told. Is it true? Only those in the know will fully know but he went with it and I'm happy to put my faith in Colin.

 

[analog_future]

I trust Colin over pretty much anyone else in the gaming "news" circle. Besides, the bigger the failure, the deeper the lessons learned.

Indeed, over his entire career he's always been literally the opposite of the type of person that would throw out a big claim without being sure that it was accurate.

 

[StueyDuck]

I was watching the Spawn Wave live show that had that little mongrel Jason Schreier on it, and he was making fun of Colin for only having 1 source for a story. Jason claims he wouldn't go with a story with just 1 source. Well I'm sorry Jason, but I put my faith in Colin FAR more than the bullshit you dribble out.

Anyway, great explanation from Colin. Basically, believe him if you want or not, he has gone with a story from a guy he vetted and spoke to 3 times. He's ONLY reporting what he was told. Is it true? Only those in the know will fully know but he went with it and I'm happy to put my faith in Colin.

I'm fairly certain Jason had been caught out before because he only used one source

I vaguely remember an incident like that

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Well the studio is located in a quite expensive place + Sony has acquired it + marketing.

 

[HogIsland]

The takeaway: Colin reports stories with only a single source.

 

[Majukun]

As you watch this remember, people who tell the truth often use high detail because they have nothing to hide and they actually experienced said event.

People who lie use generalities (detail can get them caught) and often accuse the skeptic of being a bad person for not believing them. IE: "You actually think I would cheat on you Sarah?! I thought our love was stronger than that."

Which strategy does Colin employ here?

actually is often the opposite, who remembers too much is often msaking stuff up on the spot...

personally i'm doubtful of that amount, but it does not really matter anymore, a lot of people, especially content creators, already had a run with the news

 

[MacReady13]

I'm fairly certain Jason had been caught out before because he only used one source

I vaguely remember an incident like that

No, not the mighty Jason Schreier... he wouldn't do such a thing. He doesn't like Colin so it was a little jab I really didn't like. Plus I'm wondering why they had such a fucking soft cock on their show anyway. Completely ruined the program. Especially him trying to justify why he blocks people on twitter, and then trying to justify why he blocked RGT85 which was complete bullshit!

 

[MacReady13]

The takeaway: Colin reported THIS story with only a single source and justified it reasonably.

FTFY

 

[HogIsland]

FTFY

he said words, i wouldn't characterize any of them as a justification.

there's a clear test: is the story true or not?

 

[clarky]

OP….. do you know a Sarah in real life or did you just pick that name at random


Ehhhhh on topic, 400 million sounds like the total budget including marketing not the money actually spent.

Total budget including marketing would still equal 400million, not sure what you mean there.

 

[DenchDeckard]

i cant believe people are trying to discredit one of the best and loyal Playstation "influencers" because they don't want to believe it.

Like he says, the guy could be lying. That's all there is to it. He spoke to the guy for 4 and a half hours and thoroughly checked his resume.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

actually is often the opposite, who remembers too much is often msaking stuff up on the spot...

Nope. Detail can be fact checked. The more threads you leave open, the more your story can be checked on.

That's why you often see liars wanting to change the subject. They know they're being inquired for more detail and that means they have to remember more lies.

That's not to say Colin is 100% lying but he is employing that strategy which is a huge red flag.

 

[StueyDuck]

No, not the mighty Jason Schreier... he wouldn't do such a thing. He doesn't like Colin so it was a little jab I really didn't like. Plus I'm wondering why they had such a fucking soft cock on their show anyway. Completely ruined the program. Especially him trying to justify why he blocks people on twitter, and then trying to justify why he blocked RGT85 which was complete bullshit!

Oh he's a complete weenie for sure.

I just do enjoy the irony because I'm certain there was some story with him and like naughty dog or Rockstar where he made some claim and they came out and denied and he said something like, it was only a single source and he wasn't sure if he wanted to post it but did anyway.

I'm sure it was him.

 

[BigBeauford]

This story is everywhere, and yet we haven't had a repudiate of it by Sony or Firewall. Seems like it would be pretty easy after this much time has passed for someone, anyone, deny this.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I don’t think he’s lying. In the sense that he genuinely talked to someone who worked there a long time, and was told that figure. I just don’t think it’s accurate. But it was probably more than 200M down the tubes.

 

[clarky]

Well the studio is located in a quite expensive place + Sony has acquired it + marketing.

Studio would have to be located on Mars and daily commutes included in the total for it to have cost that much. What hes saying doesn't add up no matter which way you cut it unless someone has got very rich at Probably Monsters.

 

[Heisenberg007]

So, any evidence by Colin this time around, or is it still just hearsay?

 

[Coloress_Kafka]

Total budget including marketing would still equal 400million, not sure what you mean there.

400 million earmarked to spend but the actual money spent before it got axed was much smaller.

 

[clarky]

400 million earmarked to spend but the actual money spent before it got axed was much smaller.

That's not what hes saying though.

 

[adamsapple]

This story is everywhere, and yet we haven't had a repudiate of it by Sony or Firewall. Seems like it would be pretty easy after this much time has passed for someone, anyone, deny this.

I doubt you hear anything about this from Sony now.

 

[Chuck Berry]

As you watch this remember, people who tell the truth often use high detail because they have nothing to hide and they actually experienced said event.

People who lie use generalities (detail can get them caught) and often accuse the skeptic of being a bad person for not believing them. IE: "You actually think I would cheat on you Sarah?! I thought our love was stronger than that."

Which strategy does Colin employ here?

The more important question is why do you have such a hard on for this guy? Are you Tim "The Douche" Gettys?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

The more important questions is why do you have such a hard on for this guy? Are you Tim "The Douche" Gettys?

I actually think the human psychology is what's interesting here.

Humans operate on wanting to believe preachers who tell them what they want to hear.

If you go after the preacher from a critical perspective, his followers treat you as a heathen. They WANT to believe his sermon.

It's fascinating to see groups operate this way.

 

[DeepEnigma]

This story is everywhere, and yet we haven't had a repudiate of it by Sony or Firewall. Seems like it would be pretty easy after this much time has passed for someone, anyone, deny this.

That doesn't mean a thing. They won't ever comment on leaks or the like.

We will see how their financials look if they choose to write it off or sit it on ice.

 

[clarky]

I actually think the human psychology is what's interesting here.

Humans operate on wanting to believe preachers who tell them what they want to hear.

If you go after the preacher from a critical perspective, his followers treat you as a heathen. They WANT to believe his sermon.

It's fascinating to see groups operate this way.

Dude you need to quit the drugs.

 

[Chuck Berry]

I actually think the human psychology is what's interesting here.

Humans operate on wanting to believe preachers who tell them what they want to hear.

If you go after the preacher from a critical perspective, his followers treat you as a heathen. They WANT to believe his sermon.

It's fascinating to see groups operate this way.

That sounds like a load of horse shit that a snake oil salesman would say

 

[StueyDuck]

Studio would have to be located on Mars and daily commutes included in the total for it to have cost that much. What hes saying doesn't add up no matter which way you cut it unless someone has got very rich at Probably Monsters.

I keep saying it. But offline rendered cinematics are extremely expensive and they planned to do this weekly (meaning they rendered many of these in advanced).

The studio wasn't located on Mars to cost that money. Games are 60mil. AAA games especially aren't 60 mil.

 

[AmuroChan]

Colin worked in games media for many years and is obviously still connected to many people in the industry. There's no reason for him to lie about his source. He was clear that he vetted this person thoroughly. And even he was surprised at the $400m number when told by his source.

 

[Loomy]

This is the world we live in these days. Instead of "I could have been wrong about this" everyone just doubles down.

 

[clarky]

I keep saying it. But offline rendered cinematics are extremely expensive and they planned to do this weekly (meaning they rendered many of these in advanced).

The studio wasn't located on Mars to cost that money. Games are 60mil. AAA games especially aren't 60 mil.

How much does 3 minutes of offline rendered CGI go for these days?

 

[BigBeauford]

People in here acting like Colin is some flavor of the week YouTube outrage merchant. If anything, he's shill adjacent for Sony. Him running with this story says a lot IMO.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I actually think the human psychology is what's interesting here.

Humans operate on wanting to believe preachers who tell them what they want to hear.

If you go after the preacher from a critical perspective, his followers treat you as a heathen. They WANT to believe his sermon.

It's fascinating to see groups operate this way.

You do have a point when it comes to cult of personalities. Phil Spencer does have his evangelicals where he can lie one week and then they'll carry the water for him the next. He's mastered the art of ambiguous language and wordsmithing, hence he was groomed for that role.

But with this, who the hell cares. It was very, very expensive and I'm glad it failed, but only if they learn from their bubble induced costly mistake.

 

[HogIsland]

People in here acting like Colin is some flavor of the week YouTube outrage merchant. If anything, he's shill adjacent for Sony. Him running with this story says a lot IMO.

i doubt sony welcomes the kind of attention colin brings to the brand. he's not a shill for sony so much as representing an unfortunate layer of the fanbase. what's the point of this story? who is invested in the budget of concord? people who want to see an allegedly woke game bite the big one so they bring back thick-necked beefcake muscle men who are 100% straight as hell in AAA games.

 

[StueyDuck]

How much does 3 minutes of offline rendered CGI go for these days?

you think they planned 3seasons of content with around 3 minutes of CGI.

and it's not the render process you numpty, it's the cost of the artists, the cost of the actors, the cost of the sound stage, the cost of the equipment, the cost of operation and mocap,

add all those things up for more than your average hollywood blockbuster or pixar animation length in shorts and you easily can see how the money piled up.

Say what you will about concord but those were high quality renders with detailed character models and animation.

 

[AmuroChan]

But with this, who the hell cares. It was very, very expensive and I'm glad it failed, but only if they learn from their bubble induced costly mistake.

I'm skeptical they will. Will their cancel Fairgames since that's shaping up to be the next Concord? I doubt it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

i doubt sony welcomes the kind of attention colin brings to the brand. he's not a shill for sony so much as representing an unfortunate layer of the fanbase. what's the point of this story? who is invested in the budget of concord? people who want to see an allegedly woke game bite the big one so they bring back thick-necked beefcake muscle men who are 100% straight as hell in AAA games.

We need more William Joseph "B.J." Blazkowicz crushing ass and clapping cheeps in a Nazi filled train.

 

[clarky]

you think they planned 3seasons of content with around 3 minutes of CGI.

and it's not the render process you numpty, it's the cost of the artists, the cost of the actors, the cost of the sound stage, the cost of the equipment, the cost of operation and mocap,

add all those things up for more than your average hollywood blockbuster or pixar animation length in shorts and you easily can see how the money piled up.

Say what you will about concord but those were high quality renders with detailedcharacter models and animation.

I asked how much 3 minutes of cgi costs, not to be insulted.

Also you have no idea how much cgi they ordered or how far along it was, nor how much it costs by the looks of things. So your assuming an awful lot, you "numpty"

 

[AmuroChan]

i doubt sony welcomes the kind of attention colin brings to the brand. he's not a shill for sony so much as representing an unfortunate layer of the fanbase. what's the point of this story? who is invested in the budget of concord? people who want to see an allegedly woke game bite the big one so they bring back thick-necked beefcake muscle men who are 100% straight as hell in AAA games.

That's not who he represents though. You're talking more about the Geeks and Gamers crowd, which is not LSM if you've ever interacted in the LSM discord or been to any of the live shows.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

That doesn't mean a thing. They won't ever comment on leaks or the like.

We will see how their financials look if they choose to write it off or sit it on ice.

Next earnings report is Nov.

I dont think gaming companies even get that detailed. Maybe for something huge like Bungie perhaps, but not FW/Concord. So even if Sony brought them up, they just might be vague about like how MS or Sony might do some bullet points and go..... + or - due to reason XYZ without granular numbers.

Did Sony bring up in detailed Helldivers 2 financials? I dont think so.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

you could say that is Colin's last stand

 

[StueyDuck]

I asked how much 3 minutes of cgi costs, not to be insulted.

you asked in bad faith.

we all know it was more than 3 minutes.

and the price isn't the length, it's a deal, they would have approached vfx houses for consultations, worked with partners they know or have a decent reputation and they would have farmed out multiple scenes to many places.

that's why this stuff costs as much as it does, it's not just fred in his basement rendering for 3 minutes and charging for electricity.

 

[clarky]

you asked in bad faith.

we all know it was more than 3 minutes.

and the price isn't the length, it's a deal, they would have approached vfx houses for consultations, worked with partners they know or have a decent reputation and they would have farmed out multiple scenes to many places.

that's why this stuff costs as much as it does, it's not just fred in his basement rendering for 3 minutes and charging for electricity.

So you have no idea.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Double down? so now it's 800M? Damn...