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College Football 2013 |Week 15| Where rankings are made up & SEC losses don't matter
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bucknuticus
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Ehhhh Clemson? Will the forward pass be a legal play for them???
Who needs forward passes when you can jsut run screens all day.
I had nightmares of Cook running out for another play action bootleg completing for 10-15 yards.
zyxwvu4321
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This is pretty cool.
@McMurphyESPN said:Silver dollar to be flipped by JFK at 63 Army-Navy game will be used 50 years later at Saturday's Army-Navy game
serenewarfare
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Florida State didn't play UNC this year. Boston College hurt them with the run, but FSU still won that game by 14. (Their closest game.)
I'd also like to add that Boston College has one of the best RB in the nation for those who don't know. So what FSU gave up in that game in terms of rushing yards is definitely an anomaly.
All Boyd has to do is read where Pitt Brown is and its a 1st down for sure.Who needs forward passes when you can jsut run screens all day.
I had nightmares of Cook running out for another play action bootleg completing for 10-15 yards.
Maybe with Christian Bryant the season could have ended differently.
I'll never get over Hyde getting only 18 carries.
1. The preseason polls screwed Auburn in 2004 worse than any other screwing in the BCS era. I hate them, too.
This is objectively false.
- Auburn's OOC in 2004 was Lousiana Monroe, Lousiana Tech, and Citadel. They played 7 home games, 4 away games, and the SECCG
- Oklahoma's OOC in 2004 was Bowling Green, Houston, and Oregon. They played 6 home games, 4 away games, one neutral site game, and the Big12CCG.
- USC's OOC in 2004 was @Virginia Tech, Colorado State, @BYU, and Notre Dame. They played 6 home games and 6 away games.
- Auburn's schedule was either weaker or not considerably more difficult than OU's or USC's schedule. They literally played no one of consequence outside of the SEC.
2001 and 2003 were bigger screw jobs than Auburn not making the national championship game in 2004. The number 1 ranked team in both polls, USC, didn't go to the championship game in 2003. And in 2001 when Oregon actually won their conference, while Nebraska got blown out by Colorado in the last week. Nebraska went instead of Oregon. Auburn not being selected in 2004 doesn't even come close.
I disagree. If you think Bama is better, rank them higher. This is the kind of logic that prevails in CFB circles and it drives me insane. It's the same shit that led to the BCS and that permeates current Heisman voting. Adrian Peterson didn't win the Heisman because he was a freshman, and voting for a freshman "just isn't done."Most don't think Auburn is better than Alabama but you can't rank Alabama ahead of Auburn, because that would be stupid.
It took a miraculous play and several missed FGs by Auburn to beat Bama at home. Bama probably wins 70% of the games played at a neutral site. Bama is better than Auburn. This is exactly why we should have an expanded playoff. Having a loss like that to Auburn shouldn't disqualify any team from contending for the MNC.
I disagree. If you think Bama is better, rank them higher. This is the kind of logic that prevails in CFB circles and it drives me insane. It's the same shit that led to the BCS and that permeates current Heisman voting. Adrian Peterson didn't win the Heisman because he was a freshman, and voting for a freshman "just isn't done."
It took a miraculous play and several missed FGs by Auburn to beat Bama at home. Bama probably wins 70% of the games played at a neutral site. Bama is better than Auburn. This is exactly why we should have an expanded playoff. Having a loss like that to Auburn shouldn't disqualify any team from contending for the MNC.
Yeah, it should. Alabama lost. If they were deserving of going to the MNC then they would have won. The best teams don't always win the championship. You still have to actually win the games.
If there was a 4 team playoff this year, I would not like to see Alabama in it. I would rather see FSU, Auburn, MSU, and Baylor (maybe Stanford, but they lost to Utah). Winning your conference should mean something.
This is why we need an 8-team playoff. Teams can skate by on easy schedules (like FSU) and have a chance at a title, and teams that play tough games and lose are penalized. I don't buy that Bama, Ohio State, Baylor, and Stanford are undeserving of competing on the field of play.Yeah, it should. Alabama lost. If they were deserving of going to the MNC then they would have won. The best teams don't always win the championship. You still have to actually win the games.
If there was a 4 team playoff this year, I would not like to see Alabama in it. I would rather see FSU, Auburn, MSU, and Baylor (maybe Stanford, but they lost to Utah). Winning your conference should mean something.
Sports are inherently fluky and just because the ball bounced a certain way or they had an off day doesn't mean a team should be disqualified from proving themselves in a playoff format. Playoffs aren't perfect, but the current system (even the 4-team playoff) is worse.
I'd rather have a team win 3 games at the end of the season against great competition to be declared "champion" than what we have now.
Yeah, it should. Alabama lost. If they were deserving of going to the MNC then they would have won. The best teams don't always win the championship. You still have to actually win the games.
If there was a 4 team playoff this year, I would not like to see Alabama in it. I would rather see FSU, Auburn, MSU, and Baylor (maybe Stanford, but they lost to Utah). Winning your conference should mean something.
If Auburn was deserving of going to the MNC then they wouldn't have lost to 3 loss LSU.
Sirpopopop
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I'm done for next season.
Won't be participating much in the thread...
I feel the Rutgers program is in such a sad stage, that I can give them the New York Mets treatment without being called a "bad" fan. It's the only option when you are surrounded by bad play, and administrative incompetence.
Won't be participating much in the thread...
I feel the Rutgers program is in such a sad stage, that I can give them the New York Mets treatment without being called a "bad" fan. It's the only option when you are surrounded by bad play, and administrative incompetence.
peteykirch
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I'm done for next season.
Won't be participating much in the thread...
I feel the Rutgers program is in such a sad stage, that I can give them the New York Mets treatment without being called a "bad" fan. It's the only option when you are surrounded by bad play, and administrative incompetence.
Bingo
It's completely pathetic, they want to do everything on a shoe string budget.
My biggest fear is becoming a reality. Rutgers will be like the Pirates/Astros where they inherit a bunch of money undeservedly and refuse to put the $$$$ into the program by going out and getting a real HC and Staff.
bucknuticus
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Official: Ohio state will play Clemson in the orange bowl
BertramCooper
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OH MY GOD CAN THIS WEEKEND GET ANY WORSE???????????
(Unrelated to the bowl draw.)
(Unrelated to the bowl draw.)
Ludicrous Speed
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Florida State didn't play UNC this year. Boston College hurt them with the run, but FSU still won that game by 14. (Their closest game.)
BC hurt them with the run but that was mostly Andre Williams who leads division I in rushing. Granted, Tre Mason is a great rusher in his own right, but I don't expect Auburn to rush for half of the yards they rushed for against Missouri
Yeah, it should. Alabama lost. If they were deserving of going to the MNC then they would have won. The best teams don't always win the championship. You still have to actually win the games.
If there was a 4 team playoff this year, I would not like to see Alabama in it. I would rather see FSU, Auburn, MSU, and Baylor (maybe Stanford, but they lost to Utah). Winning your conference should mean something.
Then what the fuck is the reason for even having a championship?
perfectchaos007
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Official: Ohio state will play Clemson in the orange bowl
Oregon and Texas in the Alamo looking more likely. fuck!
Then what the fuck is the reason for even having a championship?
Competition. You can be the better team and still lose. That's why we watch the games. That's why we root for the underdog.
If Auburn was deserving of going to the MNC then they wouldn't have lost to 3 loss LSU.
Auburn deserved to win the SEC, and this year (and the last 7 years), it was enough to deserve to go to the MNC.
massivekettle
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Sugar: Bama/Oklahoma
Sooners are going to get slaughtered...
Wow. Terrible.
Sirpopopop
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Official Statement Stating Kyle Flood is Retained:
Julie Hermann confirmed to be the worst Athletic Director in the country.
Julie Hermann confirmed to be the worst Athletic Director in the country.
Haha, Gundy got the last laugh!Sugar: Bama/Oklahoma
Sooners are going to get slaughtered...
Apparently we'll be playing Mizzou in the Cotton. Not a bad draw, but I wish we were playing a traditional SEC squad instead of one that was in our league less than 2 seasons ago.
Not anymore. Duke and A&M is the word. UGA vs Michigan in the Gator Bowl. So basically, rumors came full circle.Duke is supposedly in the Chic-Fil-A bowl vs UGA. Yay, no partial crowd there.
Watching last nights SEC championship made me feel even stronger that a healthy UGA could have won the conference championship. What a waste of a season. At least they'll still have Gurley next year.
Well yeah, but injuries are part of the game. Unfortunately we ended up with a ton of huge ones, and some big ones occurred at bad times of the season. Combine that with a mostly freshman defense and this season happens. Next year should be a good year.
serenewarfare
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Not anymore. Duke and A&M is the word. UGA vs Michigan in the Gator Bowl. So basically, rumors came full circle.
I thought the Outback claimed A&M so the Chick-Fil-A couldn't have them. Did something change or was that just untrue?
I seem to recall Oklahoma feeling jilted that they got left out of the BCS last year. Cotton Bowl against a former conference member didn't work out too well for them as I remember.Haha, Gundy got the last laugh!
Apparently we'll be playing Mizzou in the Cotton. Not a bad draw, but I wish we were playing a traditional SEC squad instead of one that was in our league less than 2 seasons ago.
What I'm seeing..I thought the Outback claimed A&M so the Chick-Fil-A couldn't have them. Did something change or was that just untrue?
@HKellenbergerCL: And Ole Miss to Music City. RT @DellengerAdv: Missouri to Cotton, A&M to Chick-fil-A and Georgia to Gator likely.
I think our game against Mizzou will be tough. Definitely not downplaying them, they're a very good squad.I seem to recall Oklahoma feeling jilted that they got left out of the BCS last year. Cotton Bowl against a former conference member didn't work out too well for them as I remember.
serenewarfare
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What I'm seeing..
If that's the case, then it'll probably be LSU in the Outback.
With a month to prepare, our defense should easily hold you to under 38 points.Well we should be able to score against A&M at least.
BertramCooper
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Does Luke Fickell still have a job?
Hopefully some shitty MAC school snatches him up before the bowl game.
CouldBeWorse
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This is objectively false.
- Auburn's OOC in 2004 was Lousiana Monroe, Lousiana Tech, and Citadel. They played 7 home games, 4 away games, and the SECCG
- Oklahoma's OOC in 2004 was Bowling Green, Houston, and Oregon. They played 6 home games, 4 away games, one neutral site game, and the Big12CCG.
- USC's OOC in 2004 was @Virginia Tech, Colorado State, @BYU, and Notre Dame. They played 6 home games and 6 away games.
- Auburn's schedule was either weaker or not considerably more difficult than OU's or USC's schedule. They literally played no one of consequence outside of the SEC.
2001 and 2003 were bigger screw jobs than Auburn not making the national championship game in 2004. The number 1 ranked team in both polls, USC, didn't go to the championship game in 2003. And in 2001 when Oregon actually won their conference, while Nebraska got blown out by Colorado in the last week. Nebraska went instead of Oregon. Auburn not being selected in 2004 doesn't even come close.
The conversation was about preseason rankings influencing the final position. What you presented is no guarantee that USC and Oklahoma would have been ranked 1-2 at year end like they were in the preseason and all year long. It presents an argument but is by NO means objective.
And using the word objective in conjunction with college football is especially hilarious.
Counter arguments to Auburn getting screwed the most:
1. Both of your examples were for 1-loss teams. They 100% controlled their own destiny. Auburn couldn't have done anything else.
2. USC was later deemed ineligible and had their title stripped. It especially hurts since they shouldn't have been allowed to play and now we have no actual winner that year.
Competition. You can be the better team and still lose. That's why we watch the games. That's why we root for the underdog.
Then have the "competition" in the regular season and leave the post-season championships to see who the best of the best is.
I'm hearing Texas Tech versus Arizona State in the Holiday Bowl.
Not a bad draw. We will be underdogs but better ASU than Stanford; their offense represents everything that we are the worst at defending.
Would also be the first bowl game outside the state of Texas than any current players will have played in.
Not a bad draw. We will be underdogs but better ASU than Stanford; their offense represents everything that we are the worst at defending.
Would also be the first bowl game outside the state of Texas than any current players will have played in.
Now some are saying K State vs michigan in something and UGA vs Nebraska in Gator Bowl.If that's the case, then it'll probably be LSU in the Outback.
Not like this. Not like this.
If that's the case, then it'll probably be LSU in the Outback.
I'm hearing LSU vs Iowa in the Outback.
As an Iowa fan who thought we were going to suck this year, I'm pretty happy with that.
bucknuticus
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Well I guess we'll get a chance to win every single bcs bowl during the bcs era. Don't have high hopes though.
Then have the "competition" in the regular season and leave the post-season championships to see who the best of the best is.
The best team still doesn't always win these either. The Patriots went 18-0 before losing to the Giants in the Super Bowl back in 2008. The Giants were 10-6 that season. The Patriots were the better team, but the Giants were the better team on that day.
Purple Cheeto
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This is why we need an 8-team playoff. Teams can skate by on easy schedules (like FSU) and have a chance at a title, and teams that play tough games and lose are penalized. I don't buy that Bama, Ohio State, Baylor, and Stanford are undeserving of competing on the field of play.
Sports are inherently fluky and just because the ball bounced a certain way or they had an off day doesn't mean a team should be disqualified from proving themselves in a playoff format. Playoffs aren't perfect, but the current system (even the 4-team playoff) is worse.
I'd rather have a team win 3 games at the end of the season against great competition to be declared "champion" than what we have now.
A playoff won't fix anything until we have scheduling reform. As long as SEC teams are scheduling nobodies in November or teams are making their CCG without playing the best teams in their conference there will be disputes. Unless you let half of division 1 in then the playoffs remain fraudulent.
serenewarfare
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I'm hearing LSU vs Iowa in the Outback.
As an Iowa fan who thought we were going to suck this year, I'm pretty happy with that.
Not sure that'll be much of a game, even with LSU's backup QB (who has looked decent in limited time). I could be wrong though. Congrats either way.
Well I guess we'll get a chance to win every single bcs bowl during the bcs era. Don't have high hopes though.
Against Clemson? I'd think you guys would be moderate favorites.
zyxwvu4321
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I like how ESPN has a story up right now that says, "Sources: Florida St., Auburn to play for title" as if that's some great insight at this point.
bucknuticus
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Against Clemson? I'd think you guys would be moderate favorites.
Our secondary is hot garbage.
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