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College Football 2016 Championship Week: Of Meaningless Titles
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CFB Playoffs - Opening Spreads
#1 Alabama -11 over #4 Washington
#3 Ohio State -3.5 over #2 Clemson
[via Vegas bookmaker @CGTechnology_]
-11? I wish I could put money on Alabama
ErnieMcCracken
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While I think that Ohio State is one of the 4 best teams, the committee's metrics for how they determine the 4 best teams is bullshit. IMO, 2 of the 3 years that we've had the playoffs, it's been fucked in terms of who gets in and why.
There's no defined criteria. Perception and ratings do factor in though.
bucknuticus
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And just for fun
Vegas Consensus - Hypothetical Match-up: #Browns favored by 17 points over Alabama
Vegas Consensus - Hypothetical Match-up: #Browns favored by 17 points over Alabama
MugiwaraCole
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While I think that Ohio State is one of the 4 best teams, the committee's metrics for how they determine the 4 best teams is bullshit. IMO, 2 of the 3 years that we've had the playoffs, it's been fucked in terms of who gets in and why.
This has been the only year with any type of legit controversy. 2014 was perfect too.
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MvC3 and Infinite coming to all current gen platforms, Last Guardian releases, and Penn State doesn't make the playoffs.Fuck Penn State.
That is all.
2016 tryin to redeem itself at the last second
distantmantra
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How a top 8 playoff should be:
1. Alabama (SEC Champ) vs 8. Western Michigan (Group of Five Rep)
2. Clemson (ACC Champ) vs 7. Oklahoma (Big 12 Champ)
3. Ohio State (At-Large) vs 6. Michigan (At- Large)
4 Washington (Pac 12) vs 5. Penn State (Big Ten Champ)
Excuse me while I boot up my copy of NCAA Football 2013
I like it but the at large teams should be the 7 and 8 seeds.
And just for fun
Vegas Consensus - Hypothetical Match-up: #Browns favored by 17 points over Alabama
I'll take Alabama with that spread eight days a week
I like it but the at large teams should be the 7 and 8 seeds.
I could live with that.
And just for fun
Vegas Consensus - Hypothetical Match-up: #Browns favored by 17 points over Alabama
I'd still take Bama. Browns are broken, and Bama players would ball up just to be that team to embarass a pro team.
You can give me all the shit about the Browns being all pros, but that offensive line isn't MAC good. Outside of JT who has been below what his career was, that line can't block anyone, and some 22 year old guys would get after them.
The real difference between pros and college starters isn't that far. Pros don't practice nearly as much as they used to, and you don't think coaches like Saban and Urbs don't get their players laser focused on FB?
The biggest issue in that hypo is that Bama has a Freshman QB. It'd be like a 3 point game cause the Browns offense is terrible and their D would have a field day against an 18 year old.
/Whoa what happened there? I think I blacked out for a few minutes. :-D
I'd still take Bama. Browns are broken, and Bama players would ball up just to be that team to embarass a pro team.
You can give me all the shit about the Browns being all pros, but that offensive line isn't MAC good. Outside of JT who has been below what his career was, that line can't block anyone, and some 22 year old guys would get after them.
The real difference between pros and college starters isn't that far. Pros don't practice nearly as much as they used to, and you don't think coaches like Saban and Urbs don't get their players laser focused on FB?
The biggest issue in that hypo is that Bama has a Freshman QB. It'd be like a 3 point game cause the Browns offense is terrible and their D would have a field day against an 18 year old.
/Whoa what happened there? I think I blacked out for a few minutes. :-D
I think Browns win but there is no way they cover the spread
bucknuticus
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You crazy, that spreads way too lowI'll take Alabama with that spread eight days a week
I could live with that.
The committee should come out and say that they were not aware of Penn State's win over Ohio State.
They should have just focused on that one thing and ignored all other aspects because Ohio State are dumb meanie cheaters and I personally hate them. That's really the only metric that matters.
It's good that they ignored Penn State's loss to Michigan, but they didn't go far enough in ignoring their faults. Major failure on their part.
MugiwaraCole
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https://twitter.com/marq_burnett/status/805471386315718656
Washington coach Chris Petersen on "We want Bama" signs: "Sometimes you gotta be careful what you wish for. I didn't hold that sign up."
Already coppin pleas.
Washington coach Chris Petersen on "We want Bama" signs: "Sometimes you gotta be careful what you wish for. I didn't hold that sign up."
Already coppin pleas.
You crazy, that spreads way too low
Browns would win by 50. Come on, people.
Yes, exactly.
https://twitter.com/marq_burnett/status/805471386315718656
Washington coach Chris Petersen on "We want Bama" signs: "Sometimes you gotta be careful what you wish for. I didn't hold that sign up."
Already coppin pleas.
Uh oh, Bama might be more motivated for this game now.
Browns would win by 50. Come on, people.
No they wouldn't they don't have the offense man. There Oline is really that bad. Their QB was a College Senior last year.
They have one good WR.
Their D would be able to play, but the gap between a 22 yo senior a NFL rookie or 2 year player isn't that far.
The problem is that as a roster the Browns don't have enough of the type of players, 3-4 years in the league, still improving but overall talented.
It is a roster of replacement level players, and a college team could hang. The issue is if injuries or attrition happens.
It would be a touchdown or less game if for nothing other than the Browns Offense is garbage. I'd take OSU, Clemson and maybe even UM if you gave me 11-14 points. The Browns roster is legitimately that bad. Yall are fooling yourselves. Just cause they're "pros" they aren't good pros, and they aren't even passable semi-pros, that is a bad roster. It needs a total overhaul.
bucknuticus
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I would bet everything I own on the Browns -17 and I've never bet on a game in my entire life.
No they wouldn't they don't have the offense man. There Oline is really that bad. Their QB was a College Senior last year.
They have one good WR.
Their D would be able to play, but the gap between a 22 yo senior a NFL rookie or 2 year player isn't that far.
The problem is that as a roster the Browns don't have enough of the type of players, 3-4 years in the league, still improving but overall talented.
It is a roster of replacement level players, and a college team could hang. The issue is if injuries or attrition happens.
It would be a touchdown or less game if for nothing other than the Browns Offense is garbage. I'd take OSU, Clemson and maybe even UM if you gave me 11-14 points. The Browns roster is legitimately that bad. Yall are fooling yourselves. Just cause they're "pros" they aren't good pros, and they aren't even passable semi-pros, that is a bad roster. It needs a total overhaul.
Bruh. Not even a 1/3 of college football teams starters will be everyday players in the pros
Bruh. Not even a 1/3 of college football teams starters will be everyday players in the pros
I get that, but Bruh, the Browns roster is that bad. It needs about a 45-55% overhaul. Bama and OSU field 7-8 future pro starters on D, and several more on Offense.
I see Browns D being able to do well, but that Offense is bad. Not saying the college team would win, but the Browns just won't score that much.
No they wouldn't they don't have the offense man. There Oline is really that bad. Their QB was a College Senior last year.
They have one good WR.
Their D would be able to play, but the gap between a 22 yo senior a NFL rookie or 2 year player isn't that far.
The problem is that as a roster the Browns don't have enough of the type of players, 3-4 years in the league, still improving but overall talented.
It is a roster of replacement level players, and a college team could hang. The issue is if injuries or attrition happens.
It would be a touchdown or less game if for nothing other than the Browns Offense is garbage. I'd take OSU, Clemson and maybe even UM if you gave me 11-14 points. The Browns roster is legitimately that bad. Yall are fooling yourselves. Just cause they're "pros" they aren't good pros, and they aren't even passable semi-pros, that is a bad roster. It needs a total overhaul.
The Browns don't even have the worst offense in the NFL. There's a reason so many top draft picks in the NFL bust. There is a large difference between the NFL and college football.
And Ohio State? As someone who has watched every Browns game and every Ohio State game Browns would win by 100
Not this again. The worst pro team would beat the best CFB team 10 times out of 10.I'd still take Bama. Browns are broken, and Bama players would ball up just to be that team to embarass a pro team.
You can give me all the shit about the Browns being all pros, but that offensive line isn't MAC good. Outside of JT who has been below what his career was, that line can't block anyone, and some 22 year old guys would get after them.
The real difference between pros and college starters isn't that far. Pros don't practice nearly as much as they used to, and you don't think coaches like Saban and Urbs don't get their players laser focused on FB?
The biggest issue in that hypo is that Bama has a Freshman QB. It'd be like a 3 point game cause the Browns offense is terrible and their D would have a field day against an 18 year old.
/Whoa what happened there? I think I blacked out for a few minutes. :-D
Bruh. Not even a 1/3 of college football teams starters will be everyday players in the pros
I meant to say that the Browns would absolutely murder Alabama. Did I get my line verbiage mixed up?
TheLetdown
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Urban has that look in his eye.
That personal pan Papa John's pie in the sky eye.
That personal pan Papa John's pie in the sky eye.
Not this again. The worst pro team would beat the best CFB team 10 times out of 10.
I said Browns would win, just not by 50.
I was joking around with that first post. It was more of a lucid dream.
Also I wish they would go back to the College Allstars vs NFL champs games of the 50's etc for things like the Senior Bowl etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_College_All-Star_Game
bucknuticus
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I meant to say that the Browns would absolutely murder Alabama. Did I get my line verbiage mixed up?
Accidental quote on you, you're verbiage was right
I said Browns would win, just not by 50.
You said not only wouldn't they win by 17 they would only win by a touchdown
TheLetdown
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What's the O/U on Herbie's hairline being natural vs plugs?
Accidental quote on you, you're verbiage was right
You said not only wouldn't they win by 17 they would only win by a touchdown
From my own post.
I'd take ..College teams... if you gave me 11-14 points
bucknuticus
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From my own post.
I'd take ..College teams... if you gave me 11-14 points
"It would be a touchdown or less game if for nothing other than the Browns Offense is garbage."
Regardless, this is a stupid argument for something thats not even relevant
"It would be a touchdown or less game if for nothing other than the Browns Offense is garbage."
Regardless, this is a stupid argument for something thats not even relevant
Fair, and I contradicted myself a ton of times in all of those posts, so you can see I clearly care.(I argue the pointless far too often even when I don't care, sorry)
i would still like to see the Senior Bowl teams have to play the Browns or something similar.
Time to get rid of conference championships
Hence this week's subtitle.
chaosblade
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I think Bama's defense, if it was totally healthy and had Jackson back, could probably do okay against a bad NFL offense.
I don't think the offense would manage much more than a FG or two against a bad NFL defense though.
I don't think the offense would manage much more than a FG or two against a bad NFL defense though.
bucknuticus
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So Rutgers played 3, 4, 5, and 6 this year. Holy fuck, Ash had no chance in hell.
And only one of those teams let Rutgers score and they still made the playoffs!
This is an interesting question. Thoughts?
@ClowESPN: Gotta ask: If 11-2 Ohio St won Big Ten title and had H2H over 11-1 Penn St, which was sitting at home tonight, any way Bucks don't get in?
chaosblade
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This is an interesting question. Thoughts?
What the losses are is a factor, but I think if you swap PSU and OSU's situations the outcome is probably the same. OSU being OSU is a big part of the reason they are in.
Alabama's best shot at the Championship was Washington being ranked 3. Not looking good for them.
How so? In terms of chances to beat Bama, I'd rank the playoff contenders Clemson > Washington > OSU. IMO the "easiest" path (but no path is truly easy) is still there if Bama and OSU win round 1.
perfectchaos007
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Conference titles are meaningless now, and the Big 12 will play a conference title next year....with 10 teams....and if the big 12 had a title game this year, OU v. OSU would have played in consecutive weeks.
bucknuticus
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This is an interesting question. Thoughts?
are we saying the loses are exactly same to a pitt and a blowout vs michigan? Then yes. Or does ohio state sitll have a quality OOC win?
I think hes saying to reverse the team names and keep everything else the same. Penn State had tOSU's record and vice versa.are we saying the loses are exactly same to a pitt and a blowout vs michigan? Then yes. Or does ohio state sitll have a quality OOC win?
bucknuticus
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I think hes saying to reverse the team names and keep everything else the same. Penn State had tOSU's record and vice versa.
It's logically a flawed argument and a silly one. It wasnt jsut one team was 11-1 and one was 10-2 and one was OSU and one wasnt. It was what were those 10 and 11 wins and what were those 1 and 2 loses.
Im not saying brand and money didnt influences stuff, its influences everything. But you can jsut say give them one more loss, and where are we.
Switching it around and OSU definitely would be in and the arguement would be that championships matter. That's the problem with having a comittee. They use whatever narrative is needed to justify their picks and can change from year to year. Same stuff happens with the basketball committee every year.
And only one of those teams let Rutgers score and they still made the playoffs!
Well, if didn't have Janarion Grant playing while we playing against Washington they would have shut us out at well.
As for PSU, the Pitt loss hurt them really bad.
It's logically a flawed argument and a silly one. It wasnt jsut one team was 11-1 and one was 10-2 and one was OSU and one wasnt. It was what were those 10 and 11 wins and what were those 1 and 2 loses.
Im not saying brand and money didnt influences stuff, its influences everything. But you can jsut say give them one more loss, and where are we.
And yet someone is trying to argue here that if OU were 8-4 or 7-5 you would still be in. IMO you 100% would not be.
Battlezone
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HuskyGAF-where the hell can I find Pac-12 Championship gear? Trying to find some gifts for my wife, and finding a disturbingly limited selection.
Switching it around and OSU definitely would be in and the arguement would be that championships matter. That's the problem with having a comittee. They use whatever narrative is needed to justify their picks and can change from year to year. Same stuff happens with the basketball committee every year.
You know it. Kirk and Joey would be blue in the face arguing you have to win your division and conference to deserve to go.
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