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College Football Playoff Thread | Setting A Daggerous Precedent
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only because of the character concerns. jameis is a far better pro prospect as far as talent, mechanics and understanding the game.
What is it with universities in Florida and promoting the criminal tendencies of the young men who attend them?
Lol even the referee
Purple Cheeto
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Physical size, tools, injury history.
Frustrated_Grunt
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Just how it is I guess.
It's why I usually avoid parts of the internet whenever we lose.
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unholyrevenger72
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thx
I personally wouldn't draft either of them in the first round. As I said, history is not in favor of Mariota's style of play. Winston has the higher ceiling due to his style of play gelling better in the NFL, but he has maturity and work ethic issues.
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Sorry for the loss FSU GAF. You guys have always been classy people in these threads.
The interception was tipped at the line. That's forced.
metalslimer
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Depending on how much time Oregon eats up that was some terrible passing by Winston to go out on
When they showed that segment earlier he mentioned he had beat the game.
This game is boring, so let me expound a bit more on my Mariotta argument. I had to switch over to my tablet so I can type easier.
Mariotta is very much a system QB. Is there any disputing that? I saw someone post his numbers. They are surprisingly irrelevant given the system they run. It is designed to push the tempo and generate huge numbers due to mismatches. You get gargantuan mismatches at the 2nd or 3rd receiver positions in college because depth isn't the same as it is in the pros. Mariotta makes quick reads at the line? That's easy when you're running no-huddle and already pegged the 2 or 3 weak links in the secondary. The pros not only throw more complex schemes at you, but also better talent. You're not finding a walk on safety with no big game experience who'll blow the coverage. You know who else looked awesome in college, but I also said was a terrible pick? Sam Bradford. My issues with him were mostly tied to his shoulder, but I was also really wary of the system OU was running with him. Those system QBs are suspect as fuck, folks.
My expectations for Mariotta are the following. He's athletic enough that he actually has escape speed, unlike Manziel. However, his build is slight, like RG3. He's not the quality of passer that RG3 was coming out of college, nor the general at the los. How did that turn out for Griff? I see him getting hurt if you try to run read-option with him. He's already been banged up in college. I think stuff like that cross-body pass to the middle of the field bring his decision making into question. He doesn't throw a lot of picks, but that's because they're abusing mismatches half the time and front-running. He's not been as impressive against competent defenses that weren't sucking wind from the pace. Didn't he look really pedestrian against Stanford a year or two ago?
The guy has NFL bus written all over him. as much as I've fallen out of love with Tannehill, I'd curse the heavens if the Phins somehow picked Mariotta in the first. He's not worth a first round pick, because he is not starter material. Winston is more NFL ready,and I'm not even that high on him. I just think he's clearly a better pickup than MM. PEACE.
Mariotta is very much a system QB. Is there any disputing that? I saw someone post his numbers. They are surprisingly irrelevant given the system they run. It is designed to push the tempo and generate huge numbers due to mismatches. You get gargantuan mismatches at the 2nd or 3rd receiver positions in college because depth isn't the same as it is in the pros. Mariotta makes quick reads at the line? That's easy when you're running no-huddle and already pegged the 2 or 3 weak links in the secondary. The pros not only throw more complex schemes at you, but also better talent. You're not finding a walk on safety with no big game experience who'll blow the coverage. You know who else looked awesome in college, but I also said was a terrible pick? Sam Bradford. My issues with him were mostly tied to his shoulder, but I was also really wary of the system OU was running with him. Those system QBs are suspect as fuck, folks.
My expectations for Mariotta are the following. He's athletic enough that he actually has escape speed, unlike Manziel. However, his build is slight, like RG3. He's not the quality of passer that RG3 was coming out of college, nor the general at the los. How did that turn out for Griff? I see him getting hurt if you try to run read-option with him. He's already been banged up in college. I think stuff like that cross-body pass to the middle of the field bring his decision making into question. He doesn't throw a lot of picks, but that's because they're abusing mismatches half the time and front-running. He's not been as impressive against competent defenses that weren't sucking wind from the pace. Didn't he look really pedestrian against Stanford a year or two ago?
The guy has NFL bus written all over him. as much as I've fallen out of love with Tannehill, I'd curse the heavens if the Phins somehow picked Mariotta in the first. He's not worth a first round pick, because he is not starter material. Winston is more NFL ready,and I'm not even that high on him. I just think he's clearly a better pickup than MM. PEACE.
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Am I the only one getting ads for roll tide champ & bowl shirts?
Purple Cheeto
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Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
EJ Manuel
Geno Smith
Johnny Manziel
Someone will draft Mariota and Winston. NFL teams are desperate for any hope at QB.
Tom Brady is a multiple Super Bowl Champion and he's a massive system QB. Saying someone is a system QB is an ignorant and short sighted way to analyze a QB.
jakefromstatefarm
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it hit the receiver's hands, which is why I said you could claim it was unforced
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The fact Mariota is better in every conceivable way than Dixon ever was.. but Dixon was a great college QB.. Mariota is that much better.
Except, who has had the kind of season of Mariota, with that kind of arm, that kind of speed, and the ability to go through progressions as quick as he does.. that's failed in the NFL?
You are discounting the guy because he plays for Oregon, not because of his phyiscal tools.
So you like Winston better because he's fatter? Because Mariota has a better arm, is faster and reads a defense better than Winston.
Auburn is more a school for "reformed" criminals than one that seemingly promotes the criminal tendencies of its athletes.
Yeah, it's pretty much guaranteed that somebody will reach for these quarterbacks. And you forgot RGIII.
metalslimer
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Oh makes more sense.
EJ fucking Manuel getting drafted in the first is still probaly one of the most inexplicable things I've ever seen.
You can amass a pretty large list of Mariota-like QBs who succeed early in their career due to their athletic gifts, but taper of significantly once defenses have enough tape on them to gameplan - forcing them to have to read a defense. There's an exception to every rule, but for every high profile QB similar to Mariota that succeeds in the NFL, you can probably name a dozen that failed. But then again, I suppose you could do that with a lot of positions
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Amari Cooper is gonna have 300 yards on that Oregon defense
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Actually I think RG3 is a pretty good cautionary tale for marrying a QB like Mariota with a bad coach.
Although RG3 also got screwed over by Shanahan putting him in that playoff game against Seattle on that god awful turf. I think RG3's career is different if he doesn't play in that game.
Wouldn't he have to sit a year though? Or did he graduate?
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I'd like to see this large list of mariota comparables who were good early then sucked.You can amass a pretty large list of Mariota-like QBs who succeed early in their career due to their athletic gifts, but taper of significantly once defenses have enough tape on them to gameplan - forcing them to have to read a defense. There's an exception to every rule, but for every high profile QB similar to Mariota that succeeds in the NFL, you can probably name a dozen that failed. But then again, I suppose you could do that with a lot of positions
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Ok I just finally saw the flat top. That's nice!!
elrechazado
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He could play immediately.
Grad school waiver. Plays immediately.
I was unaware that Mariota is unable to read a defense. Seems like I saw him reading the defense and then making adjustments/calling audibles all night long.You can amass a pretty large list of Mariota-like QBs who succeed early in their career due to their athletic gifts, but taper of significantly once defenses have enough tape on them to gameplan - forcing them to have to read a defense. There's an exception to every rule, but for every high profile QB similar to Mariota that succeeds in the NFL, you can probably name a dozen that failed. But then again, I suppose you could do that with a lot of positions
Hit his hands as he spun to catch the ball behind himself due to the trajectory and speed of the pass being thrown off by the tip, though. Ball may have hit him in stride if not for the tip though I guess we'll never really know. 100% forced IMO.
You don't even have to go that far back. How about Cam Newton, Kaepernick and RGIII?
Read an NFL defense*
Hasphat'sAnts
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Mariota is obviously Vince Young 2.0 cuz they're uh... both uh.... how do you say this.
Kaep's been dogshit this season, but the man was also 2 plays away from a Super Bowl win and a Super Bowl appearance. That's exceedingly unfair.
Zantetsuken
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Damn. I forgot all about Manuel. And he was a high ass draft pick too.
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He was injured against Stanford... still managed to comeback (20 pts) within a TD of Stanford in 10 minutes in the 4th quarter.
Most scouts (who actually watch Mariota's games) disagree with you. Not saying they are right, but it's wrong to discount him based on others who failed. Mariota is far and away the best QB Oregon's ever had. System QB yes, but none has been as prolific as Mariota. Is that a valid indicator of success at the NFL level, no, but saying he is going to be a bust is ridiculous.
Rodgers also came from a "system" and is currently the best QB in the NFL by a mile.
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