Gamecocks625
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College Football Week 14 - Last Chance (For Chaos)
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Weis was a bad hire in retrospect because he left after a year. At the time, he was pretty committed to staying for multiple years but I don't think he got along with Muschamp. He was also a fine recruiter and would have gotten more guys if he had stayed.
He was also going to offer the Memphis QB who is now a top NFL prospect. Pease passed on him and offered Morningweig over him cos he his dad. Pease was the really bad hire. Bad OC and developer and shit recruiter.
I agree that Roper might still be a good OC, but still not on the level of Mac/Nuss. We saw huge improvements in WR play very quickly with those two.
theprodigy
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yeah but what if all 3 OOC opponents and the cross-division opponents turn out to be shit next year
timetokill
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Fuck Sark.
But if he wins, Haden should have to pay every cent out of his own pocket.
peteykirch
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So much for the rumors of Rutgers opening the wallet. 2mil for Ash and 2.85mil for the rest of the staff.
Good old Rutgers doing it on the cheap.
Good old Rutgers doing it on the cheap.
PlayALLtheGames
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Sirpopopop
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Going to break character for a few comments:
The salary for Ash is fine. $2 million is probably more than I would pay for him.
The $2.85 million is low.
Hobbs is better than Hermann so far... but that's not saying much.
Not enthused about him coaching for the OSU bowl game. It won't kill him at Rutgers, but it's not a good start.
Concerned about him not being a stellar recruiter. However, it's not the be-all, end-all, if he's as good a coach as the OSU guys say he is. Still, it's different being a head coach rather than a successful coordinator.
BACK TO CHARACTER:
Hobbs is a genius. We're putting in the money the program needs to fund a solid staff. We don't need to spend gangbuster money on the staff, we live in the greatest area in the world. It's an attraction, in and of, itself.
Ash is dynamic. He'll recruit well for us, steal some OSU guys while coaching at the OSU bowl game. He's already a known defensive genius. Should easily translate to head coaching and picking a genius offensive coordinator.
Chris Ash said that we need to create positive energy around the program. That means that petey, Draxal, and Sarye need to get in line.
The salary for Ash is fine. $2 million is probably more than I would pay for him.
The $2.85 million is low.
Hobbs is better than Hermann so far... but that's not saying much.
Not enthused about him coaching for the OSU bowl game. It won't kill him at Rutgers, but it's not a good start.
Concerned about him not being a stellar recruiter. However, it's not the be-all, end-all, if he's as good a coach as the OSU guys say he is. Still, it's different being a head coach rather than a successful coordinator.
BACK TO CHARACTER:
Hobbs is a genius. We're putting in the money the program needs to fund a solid staff. We don't need to spend gangbuster money on the staff, we live in the greatest area in the world. It's an attraction, in and of, itself.
Ash is dynamic. He'll recruit well for us, steal some OSU guys while coaching at the OSU bowl game. He's already a known defensive genius. Should easily translate to head coaching and picking a genius offensive coordinator.
Chris Ash said that we need to create positive energy around the program. That means that petey, Draxal, and Sarye need to get in line.
GoldenEye 007
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As far as I know, 2.85 million for assistants is pretty competitive. Sure it doesn't match the top end of the P5 conferences, but I'd imagine it's mid range for the vast majority of P5 programs.
Either way, Muschamp's biggest problem was his inability to control his coordinators. Always seemed like there was fighting going on in the background.
Mac and Nuss did wonders with our receivers, but I still don't know how to judge either of them based on this year. They don't have the line nor the recruits for me to really call them out on anything. They have the biggest bar to clear next year, so I guess we'll find out.
For what it's worth, it Driskel seemed to do better once he was free of Muschamp/Roper, but it's a different conference. The other thing is discipline. I'll always respect McElwain for saying his #1 goal was reducing frivolous penalties and pulling that off for the most part. The team looked pretty disciplined in this area.
For the past 6 years, I've felt like we've been one offensive spark away from being a highly competitive team with a clear shot at the playoffs. We've had the defenses to pull that off. I felt a bit of that spark with Grier, but with him out that went straight out the window. I think we're going to be hard to beat next year.
I have no idea how to buy bowl tickets, especially since I am not a season ticket owner. I'll probably have to sell my hand to stubhub for a ticket, but I really want to go.
bucknuticus
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Randolph Freelander
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Buying bowl tickets? Don't you people realize these games are televised?
Don't lump the rest of us in with that dysfunction
Mac the KNife
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Looking at the hierarchy MSU's providing, Stubhub's probably your only chance. Hell, my 4 season tickets (and bottom-tier donations) only put me one level above the general public.
It's part of the reason I hope the playoff doesn't expand past 4, nobody benefits but the corporations.
It's still good but not the same!
2mil for Ash is fine. Just because you can pay someone more doesn't mean you do for the heck of it.
2.75 mil for staff (is what I saw reported) is in the upper half of the B1G. more than Wisconsin (2.4mil) more than Nebraska (2.7 mill) Lower only to Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan and Iowa... and you know what, we are not there yet.
$2 million looks like plenty of room to add raises and extensions for a first year coach to me.
IIRC we were paying Kingsbury somewhere in the low $2 million range when we hired him as well, though after only about a year he got an extension and a salary kick up to around $3.5 million.
I'll probably go that route then. If only my monthly student loan payments counted as donations.
Yep there are a lot incentives actually for him. Although a lot of them are probably not really possible. B1G champ lol
-- $100,000 if Rutgers is a Big Ten Conference championship participant;
-- $50,000 if Rutgers is a Big Ten championship winner;
-- $50,000 if Rutgers ties for Big Ten division championship but isn't a championship-game participant;
-- $100,000 if Rutgers is a participant in a Big Ten-contracted bowl game;
-- $50,000 if he earns Big Ten Coach of the Year award (solo or shared;
-- $100,000 if he earns National Coach of the Year;
-- $500,000 if Rutgers with a College Football Playoff (CFP) championship game win;
-- $250,000 if Rutgers is a CFP championship game participant;
-- $175,000 if Rutgers is a CFP semifinal game participant;
-- $150,000 for a CFP non- semifinal bowl game.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...he_contract_terms_for_new_rutgers_footba.html
chicko1983
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Honestly, I think he has a pretty good case depending on how the contract is. I don't think any other job can really fire someone for being an alcoholic either.
perfectchaos007
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I'm surprised how many of you guys are even partially falling for mre's contrived rumor
We all know it's Decided Schematic Advantage, with his Coordinator's being Kyle Flood and Psychopathic Scissor Lift.
Mac the KNife
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When you get fed a $.95 joke for $9.95 you have to amuse yourself to make up the difference.
FloydtheFathead
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What else are we going to talk about? The Army-Navy Game?
I mean I thought it was pretty obviously fake and sarcastic.
It's either that, coaching hirings/firings, or rumors about where 17 year old kids are going to sign.
There is a rumor that Patrick Towles may transfer to UGA though. That one is pretty interesting.
First article I've seen that confirms the $1 million per year offer to Cumbie to become Texas' OC.
Still not sure that the family thing wouldn't keep him in Fort Worth. He's already making a lot of money and I don't think he wants to move his family around much, so he could just stick it out at TCU for a year or two before moving on to a head coaching job somewhere instead of taking an additional move through Austin for a year or two in the middle.
Still not sure that the family thing wouldn't keep him in Fort Worth. He's already making a lot of money and I don't think he wants to move his family around much, so he could just stick it out at TCU for a year or two before moving on to a head coaching job somewhere instead of taking an additional move through Austin for a year or two in the middle.
perfectchaos007
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We took OC Brian Harsin from Boise State for a couple of years, and now he's back at Boise State as HC. We'll take Cumbie as OC for 2 years, and in a couple years he'll be offered to succeed Gary Patterson. That's how we should sell it to him at least. Sell him on the dream of one day being the head coach at TCU
FloydtheFathead
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Don't make me root for Notre Dame.Part of me wishes it were the UW job so you and Rando could never escape him
Affeinvasion
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It's pretty fun. You get to watch all your games on national tv and you don't have to care about any conference shenanigans. Also you'd never have to wear purple again.
FloydtheFathead
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Mac the KNife
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Hail Hydra amirite?
Purple is great though.
I mean, there are dozens of reasons. You could just pick one and be fine.