ElectricBlue187
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Spurrier hated our black out unis and we haven't done that in years. I prefer the all Garnet ones myself
College Football Week 6 - If the Stanford Tree falls...
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Nick Saban circa winter 2006: "I'm not going to be the Alabama coach."
Nick Saban January 3, 2007:
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The fans in attendance at a typical Redhawk home game might fit into that grandstand, true
TheNatural
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True, but Strong definitely seems like a different type of guy who values being given a shot here when he was the token "black" candidate for years at jobs. When he came on, I think he even said his mixed marriage played a part in being discriminated against for jobs down there. That doesn't surprise me, and it doesn't surprise me either he wouldn't care too much to go back down there. Especially for a job that isn't exactly head and shoulders above where he is at currently.
Azwethinkweiz
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Wasn't there a quote from some old Florida QB who said that when South Carolina did the black out, it made it easier for him to find his receivers? It was something like that.
Usually I'd mock you for believing your coach will stick around, but this is actually quite possible. Dude's been passed over for years. He was actually one of our two main candidates back when we hired Tedford. Which at this point is over a decade ago. I was really pleased when he finally got hired.
Um...
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Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
There are always rumors that the LDS owned part of Coca-Cola or PepsiCo. But, its most likely they have holdings based on where they invest their money.
TheNatural
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What exactly makes Arkansas better besides the league they're in? Since 2000, we've finished in the polls 4 times, Arkansas 3 times. Both 9 bowl games apiece, with Bobby Petrino the backbone of major success at both places. We fill capacity at our stadium, which is 55K (playing no one BTW), Arkansas averaged 66K last year.
The only difference is the league, but great coaches don't often pick up and leave for mediocre jobs in major conferences just for the hell of it. If Florida or Georgia came open, its a different story, but Arkansas isn't much of an upgrade.
History of success, State University, alumni. That formula equals more money.
ConfusingJazz
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You're right they don't leave for conferences. They leave for money, which Arkansas is way more flush with.
$2.3M/year vs $3.5M/year.
You're right, I forgot that "number of times finishing in the polls since 2000" is the main criterion for determining how good a job is.
Cincinnati has also finished in the polls 4 times since 2000. So has Notre Dame. Surely the Cincy coach will never ever leave for Notre Dame.
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Goro Majima
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Strong is making 2.3 million at Louisville right now.
We paid Petrino 3.56 million at Arkansas for comparison.
We'll get somebody to come to Arkansas because we'll break out the checkbook after this horrible season.
GAF Pick'em Week 6
(FRI) Pittsburgh @ Syracuse by 4
Arkansas @ Auburn by 4
Northwestern @ Penn State by 10
Arizona @ Stanford by 14
Virginia @ Duke by 10
LSU @ Florida by 4
Oklahoma @ Texas Tech by 14
Michigan @ Purdue by 4
Georgia @ South Carolina by 4
West Virginia @ Texas by 10
Miami @ Notre Dame by 14
Florida State @ NC State by 14
Nebraska @ Ohio State by 10
UCLA @ California by 4
Washington @ Oregon by 10
(FRI) Pittsburgh @ Syracuse by 4
Arkansas @ Auburn by 4
Northwestern @ Penn State by 10
Arizona @ Stanford by 14
Virginia @ Duke by 10
LSU @ Florida by 4
Oklahoma @ Texas Tech by 14
Michigan @ Purdue by 4
Georgia @ South Carolina by 4
West Virginia @ Texas by 10
Miami @ Notre Dame by 14
Florida State @ NC State by 14
Nebraska @ Ohio State by 10
UCLA @ California by 4
Washington @ Oregon by 10
TheNatural
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This isn't accurate. No one seems to realize we're one of the most efficient athletic departments in the country with basically NO BCS money because of how great our AD is in securing sponsorship and the amount of money brought in by basketball.
2006-2011
Arkansas SEC $91,768,112
Louisville Big East $87,736,323
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/spor...ollege-athletics-finances-database/54955804/1
It's amazing that we get jack shit from the BCS and bowl cut, but we're this high already. That's why I would like to see us in a better conference with a bigger cut, because there's all these welfare BCS schools like Kentucky, Vandy, Iowa State, etc that just sit back and leech money without doing jack shit. It's like that biblical parable - we're the guy who takes our money and doubles it, while half the teams in the BCS league go bury it.
Pitino gets paid out the ass, Strong is probably going to get a huge extension that would put him in the top 20 or so paid in the country, all our non revenue coaches get paid a shitload. We're not hurting for money, we can offer as much as about anyone except a few of the big dog programs.
You think a palty million plus matters? LOL. We'll match that easily with an extension after this season.
Ha! You should've seen me in pxleyes' heyday.
I, personally, don't want strong as the Razorbacks' coach. His roster/recruiting is nothing but FL, GA, SC, etc. players. Why can't he recruit OH, STL, Memphis? I think he's a good coach and I want a Defensive-minded guy, but I don't want a team full of players that UGA, Bama, Gata, and FSU turned down. Arkansas is a tough sell when you are an 18-year old kid surrounded by perennial powers.
ConfusingJazz
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Er, that 2.3 million was the extension: http://espn.go.com/college-football...gets-new-7-year-contract-louisville-cardinals
bucknuticus
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Cant recruit here because most schools cant recruit out of Ohio, Tressel locked it up and Urban is working on locking it back up again.
FL and Georgia produce an insane amount of D1 players compared to those areas. And what difference is a Florida reject compared to a OSU/Michigan reject from Ohio?
Grossman and his teammates were more amused than overwhelmed when much of the record 84,900 at Williams-Brice Stadium turned out in black.
"It was fun," Grossman said. "It was like they weren't even there. They were blacked out. Then we drove them out, they left."
Even Florida head coach Steve Spurrier chuckled at the sight. "One of our receivers said, 'Coach, it was nice of them to wear all black so we can pick the ball out of the sky,'" he said.
TheNatural
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There's already rumblings of another on the boards. If he makes a BCS bowl this year, he's sure to get one. That contract was early last season and all he had done was win 7 games after the Krag-debacle.
Goro Majima
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Petrino was already ridiculously well paid, I think he was the 5th or 6th highest paid coach in the country. I don't see Louisville paying a top 5 salary just to keep the guy (if Arkansas went after him).
I was getting at that he can't recruit outside of the area that he recruited at Florida. Why can't he recruit surrounding areas? We have OK, TX, LA, and MS bordering us. Tons of talent in these states. Is he just going to pass them over to go to his comfort zone?
TheNatural
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Petrino was also Petrino too. Explosive offense and a proven winner.
I love Strong, but he's not Petrino - yet. Arkansas isn't going to offer him Petrino money in the first place. It's a lot of hypotheticals, but our athletic budget is basically the same as Arkansas, and increasing with the expansion and new arena we're raking with.
SerArthurDayne
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I remember him being less than popular, but I don't remember you being the one calling him out. I figured it would be a UGA fan or something. But then again, LSU.
And we sure as hell aren't immune to missing some. I do like that Florida seems to go after the players they want, rather than the big stars. Always sign a few unheralded, unscouted players and/or lower star athletes. Yes, I know we are spoiled when some of the "unheralded" are still three stars. But there is a big difference between just missing 4 stars and just getting past two.
He wouldn't if he's at Arkansas, while he's at Louisville it wouldn't make sense too, as the surrounding states are on lockdown or don't produce enough worthwhile talent. It would be a hard sell for a Texan to go Louisville (unless the move to the B12 happens), not nearly as bad for Arkansas.
http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1182411
There's seriously too much talent in Florida, that I can't blame him for focusing on that area.
Goro Majima
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Actually, now that I think on the way Petrino was hired, I take back my statement on breaking out the checkbook for a coach at Arkansas.
I think about half of Petrino's salary came from the state while the other half came from private sources and the athletic department. After Petrino's fall from grace (in Arkansas, I know he was considered slimy in the rest of the country already), I'm not sure if they'll be able to convince people to break the bank again on a huge name.
But they might, so who knows?
TheNatural
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We also have a history of recruiting Florida for years and it's worked great. Outside the state of Florida, we've always been one of the top two or three programs with most Florida players on the roster. It's been a history that's gone back to Howard Schnellenberger, then John L and Petrino did it as well.
Kragthorpe tried to recruit Texas and no one gave a shit. You gotta recruit where you're comfortable with. Arkansas hitting Texas makes sense because they're right there with a natural rivalry with those teams historically.
Any coach we ever get from now on is probably always going to have heavy Florida ties because of the history there.
Oh, he would make vast proclamations about stuff like the strength of Florida's schedule, and then I'd smack him with the 2x4 of truth. Fun times.
The money of the AD's isn't what we mean by "big money". They might be similar, but the amount of money the university has, the money the alumni have, is no where near the same. Arkansas has that Walmart Money. And Jerry Jones.
Man, what a bad couple weeks for ole Jer.
Man, what a bad couple weeks for ole Jer.
SerArthurDayne
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Yeah, but I'm sure you could only rebut him with the results of known Pac-12 homer Jeff Sagarin.
Now he is too busy with a job to post, while you are still here. Also, he graduated from the Harvard of the South, the University of Florida.
editor's note: The last sentence was entirely a joke. I have never seen Florida referred to as the Harvard of the South, except for wild accusations made by some UGA fans in this thread.
Not so much Walmart. The Tyson chicken guy would pay for everything the university wants if the AD would hire his buddy Butch Davis.
TheNatural
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I still question that. We've got Papa John in our corner, along with Yum brands. Rick Pitino probably gets paid more with his comp bonuses than Arkansas' entire athletic department coaches salary combined right now. We have the money there, because our AD is ridiculous in fundraising.
But hey, it all depends on how much someone wanted to pay for a coach. If Jimmy Johnson came out of retirement to go coach Arkansas or something, yeah, chances are they could probably get a fuckload of money up for him. It's a little different for a coach in his third year with two 7 win seasons.
Goro Majima
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Arkansas really needs a good recruiter. After this season, the cupboard looks pretty bare. The QBs that we have left after Tyler Wilson leaves are pretty terrible.
Which is a concept that a lot of the homers back home can't seem to grasp. Many honestly believe that if Petrino was still there, Arkansas would be in the top 10 when the reality is that he didn't go out and get the recruits. I'm not saying Petrino isn't worth a few more wins but we weren't what the homers thought we were.
TheNatural
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LOL sounds exactly what I heard around here when Kragthorpe took over. Petrino left the cupboard bare, too many bad apples that needed to be cleaned up, etc.
I think the plain fact is, Petrino is a Grandmaster chess player with about any offense than no one coming after him can ever replicate. No, Arkansas wouldn't have won the SEC or anything, but they would be 4-1 right now still in the top 10 at worse if he was still on. And looking at the schedule, 8-1 is likely and being in the top 5 heading into the last three if he was there.
That's just the way it is to be honest. The guy is a headcase but he designs his gameplans immaculately and tears the ass out of almost any defense.
Petrino is all system. He might be able to recruit good WR's, but it's apparent, he didn't care about recruiting, especially on defense.
I mean, in the span of a few months (and the loss of said WR's) the team has gone in the toilet. I know people want to blame it on the loss of Petrino, or John L. Smith, but I can't see it that way. It is the same team out there for either coach. Does Petrino being around somehow make Kniles Davis stop fumbling? Make the OLine block better? Make the defense do anything besides breath?
Did JLS singlehandedly create those problems?
I mean, in the span of a few months (and the loss of said WR's) the team has gone in the toilet. I know people want to blame it on the loss of Petrino, or John L. Smith, but I can't see it that way. It is the same team out there for either coach. Does Petrino being around somehow make Kniles Davis stop fumbling? Make the OLine block better? Make the defense do anything besides breath?
Did JLS singlehandedly create those problems?
Goro Majima
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Eh, we'd be 3-2. We would have beaten ULM and Rutgers because we simply would have scored more points.
Our defense is probably worse than our offense, which is what Petrino was great at.
Probably would have gone to something like the Liberty Bowl again.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/20444030/report-big-12-apologized-profusely-for-decisive-call-in-texas-victory-at-oklahoma-state
Anyone notice this? Kind of remember people talking about Texas fumbling into the end zone, but not having it called that. Big XII Apologizing for missing that call.
Anyone notice this? Kind of remember people talking about Texas fumbling into the end zone, but not having it called that. Big XII Apologizing for missing that call.
TheNatural
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Actually he does. He's ridiculously strict and when he leaves, the players change.
I posted this before, but this is a good column on what happened after he left here:
http://www.wdrb.com/story/19625175/crawford-why-post-petrino-life-is-no-picnic
We've had both John L and Petrino here as coaches, and I can pretty much say that John L is completely a different type of coach than Petrino. After Petrino left as offensive coordinator under John L in 1998, we had Scott Linehan as OC in 1999 - who went on to become an NFL OC and head coach - until 2001. When he left, 2002 we were preseason top 25 and the whole team fell apart under a new OC despite having all the same players. John L got the hell out of town, which I was surprised Michigan State would have even taken him, as we weren't mourning his loss too much after that disaster of a year.
John L is a great motivator taking a weak team and making them respectable, but under expectations he's horrible. You would be surprised how even the same players change, especially with a coaching change like that, when there's a big history of what happened right after with BOTH coaches involved.
bucknuticus
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Read this earlier, so shitty, but at least they own up unlike the NFL.
Part of it's depth and part of it's Petrino. Someone posted that article in here about how Petrino controlled every aspect of the football program. Players were scared of messing up or stepping out of line. So this year we started off with players not working as hard as they would have with BP and then they just started not caring. They all know the coaches are gone at the end of the season so they don't care what happens. We also threw a bunch of players off the team in the off-season because as soon as Petrino was fired a bunch of kids started doing stupid stuff.
Anyways, I just hope we don't hire Sonny Dykes or Willie Taggart.
Anyways, I just hope we don't hire Sonny Dykes or Willie Taggart.
Pollux
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You really thing Strong would stay at UL instead of coaching a program like Arkansas in the SEC? You're insane...
Oops! Sorry for ruining your season, Okie State!
Ah, that was you. Yeah, fascinating read.
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