That's nice to hear, I don't want DC to be just reacting to Marvel. The relaunch has been amazing to me. I've always been a Marvel boy but I'm reading a lot of DC books now.
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COMICS! April 2012 |OT| It's a new month? Already?!
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That's nice to hear, I don't want DC to be just reacting to Marvel. The relaunch has been amazing to me. I've always been a Marvel boy but I'm reading a lot of DC books now.
Do you work in the industry?
My Flex Mentallo hardcover finally came in. Wow, I was not expecting that at all. I knew nothing about it other than it's Morrison and Quitely.
This is a really nice companion piece to Morrison's book, Supergods. A lot of the ideas he has in Flex are expanded upon with great detail in Supergods. Highly recommend them both!
Also picked up Batman & Justice League this week.
Batman: Scott Snyder has written this story so well that only eight issues in it feels like he's been writing it for years. He absolutely gets how Batman should be written and his issues can stand up there with Morrison's run. Plus, Capullo's art has been great every month!
Justice League: I liked that they brought in Green Arrow to get another outside perspective on the League.
As for the Shazam backup story:
After only two back-ups, I would totally buy a monthly Shazam title.
This is a really nice companion piece to Morrison's book, Supergods. A lot of the ideas he has in Flex are expanded upon with great detail in Supergods. Highly recommend them both!
Also picked up Batman & Justice League this week.
Batman: Scott Snyder has written this story so well that only eight issues in it feels like he's been writing it for years. He absolutely gets how Batman should be written and his issues can stand up there with Morrison's run. Plus, Capullo's art has been great every month!
Justice League: I liked that they brought in Green Arrow to get another outside perspective on the League.
As for the Shazam backup story:
I am so glad that they are bringing back a version of all the kids from Flashpoint. That was one of the more interesting side-stories and I think the group dynamic will be fun to see.
Spike Spiegel
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-Comics Alliance publishes an opinion piece by David Brothers titled "The Ethical Rot Behind 'Before Watchmen' and '[Marvel's] The Avengers'". Guess what it's about.
-Later that night author Chris Roberson (Cinderella, iZombie, Superman) tweets that he's quitting DC Comics citing his moral objections to the ill treatment of its creators over the years. Roberson's last work for the company will be the finale of iZombie and a Fairest arc that's already been scripted.
-DC doesn't waste time. In another tweet, Roberson tells followers that DC has decided that his services are no longer required. He'll be paid for any unpublished work completed, and that work will likely remain unpublished.
-Later that night author Chris Roberson (Cinderella, iZombie, Superman) tweets that he's quitting DC Comics citing his moral objections to the ill treatment of its creators over the years. Roberson's last work for the company will be the finale of iZombie and a Fairest arc that's already been scripted.
-DC doesn't waste time. In another tweet, Roberson tells followers that DC has decided that his services are no longer required. He'll be paid for any unpublished work completed, and that work will likely remain unpublished.
ViewtifulJC
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I've followed all this stuff over the past few days, pretty entertaining! David Brothers had the advantage of NOT working for Marvel/DC, should have known you'd be fired, Chris.
It's a great read, though. Won't stop me from buying Daredevil and Versus next week, but the more I learn about the comic book industry, the more I realize it's a horrible piece of shit built on exploitation and disgusting business practices.
Yeah. It's a fucking weird time. There's many books from the big two coming up that I do want to check out, but the fact that both DC and Marvel seem to be in this weird race to see who can pull off the shadiest business practices makes it incredibly hard to make me want to give them money.
I don't think I'm gonna stop buying comics any time soon, because there are creators I like and that I want to support with money telling good stories that I want to read with characters I care about, but more and more this feels wrong. I guess all I can do is talk about it, make plenty of noise and try to hold the industry to a standard where shit like this can never happen again.
I don't think I'm gonna stop buying comics any time soon, because there are creators I like and that I want to support with money telling good stories that I want to read with characters I care about, but more and more this feels wrong. I guess all I can do is talk about it, make plenty of noise and try to hold the industry to a standard where shit like this can never happen again.
So seems like Lobo is getting a movie.
http://www.deadline.com/2012/04/warner-bros-sets-brad-peyton-to-helm-lobo-the-dc-comics-alien-bounty-hunter/
http://www.deadline.com/2012/04/warner-bros-sets-brad-peyton-to-helm-lobo-the-dc-comics-alien-bounty-hunter/
They're gonna go for PG-13 and fuck everything up.
More on the Chris Robertson situation, and it's exactly what you would expect if you were expecting to hear DC had fired him for what he said about them.
Hate to repeat myself, but shit is pretty fucked up in the kingdom of Denmark, folks.
Hate to repeat myself, but shit is pretty fucked up in the kingdom of Denmark, folks.
ViewtifulJC
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Well, there ya go. You bad mouth your employers, you get told to pack your things.
Of All Trades
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I agree, I don't see how behavior nearly 40 years ago regarding IP created 50 years ago is particularly relevant to the modern industry, particularly since the person is almost two decades dead. Outrage over Watchmen makes some sense given the particulars, but IMO not so much regarding the core Marvel properties. And the outrage is particularly hollow given that he doesn't condemn current artists working on existing Marvel properties: they're clearly complicit in modern Marvel, and should not be given a pass if modern Marvel is to be boycotted. It also kinda fails to provide any solutions with respect to Kirby other than "work with the family", which doesn't really mean much.
Well, DC's summer event is basically "Fuck you Alan Moore", and Marvel's acting like Jack Kirby had nothing to do with the creation of its multi-billion dollar summer blockbuster franchise. So of course, the topic of publisher-creator relations is gonna be a thing in comic book discussion. And it's good. That's a thing that needs to be adressed.
purnoman3000
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Thank the lord Uncanny X-force is back to having good art and being good again. I was getting worried there for a minute. This is issued makes me long for a series about evil iceman.
Also, did anyone else read Venom this week, loved the ending. Made me re-read the entire issue. Besides the terrible crossover, this has been another really good series from Remender.
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Also, did anyone else read Venom this week, loved the ending. Made me re-read the entire issue. Besides the terrible crossover, this has been another really good series from Remender.
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Supermanisdead
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A Lobo movie? Really, because Green Lantern wasn't enough flop?
Wondy movie makes more sense. Make Man of Steel good in 2013. WW in 2014. Flash in 2015. Batman reboot in 2017.
Bam ! JL in 2018.
I think that's something to be expected though. Bashing one's employer in a public way would likely lead most people, regardless of industry, at risk of being fired. I'm not saying he has no good point, but it seems difficult for me to feel outrage or surprised that he was fired based on what he said.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Has Marvel ever acknowledged that Kirby co-created those characters? I know Stan Lee wouldn't admit to it forever.
Tizoc
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? Stan Lee admitted to Ditko being the co-creator of Spiderman.
I think he has acknowledged that Kirby was also the co-creator of many of the characters they wrote back in the 60s.
Watch In search of Steve Ditko for more on Stan and Ditko's work on Spiderman.
parrotbeak
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Anyone else read the new Shadow? It is by Ennis, so I picked it up. Never read any Shadow comics before so not sure how it compares. First part was pretty fun, but I got lost in the second half. I know it's all set up for later, so whatever. But after Secret and Thief of Thieves, I might be a little burnt out on dramatic intrigue set ups.
BenjaminBirdie
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It has another Image. Image.
TheDarkKnight774
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Damn comixology is running a nice Swamp thing sale. You can pick up Alan Moores entire run for $45. Highly recommended.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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It took Stan Lee decades before he admitted Ditko was the co-creator of Spider-Man and when he finally did it was with reservations. Even in that documentary he basically implies that he's only doing it to make Steve Ditko feel better about himself. His answer to the question "do you really believe he co-created him" was "I'm willing to say so".
VGChampion
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Finally got my hands on a third printing of Saga. So good. I wish every issue could be as long as that one. There is an issue 2 out already right?
Oh, and Wolverine and the X-Men was excellent as always. I haven't been reading AvX so I didn't know which side Logan was taking. Glad he made the right choice.
Oh, and Wolverine and the X-Men was excellent as always. I haven't been reading AvX so I didn't know which side Logan was taking. Glad he made the right choice.
DonasaurusRex
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lobo has a chance rated R and being comedic tone...pg 13 and trying to make a hero...fail.
But I guess it makes more sense to me if creators tried tackling some smaller issues first, rather than deals that are worth billions. Like, pushing for better and/or actual compensation and rights for creating characters and stories in the present. Those are smaller battles that might actually be won since they're not massive issues with decades of history, enormous amounts of money and tons of people involved.
Maybe what annoys me is that at least what I read in the public, is creators being very reactive when dealing with Marvel and DC, rather then being proactive.
BlueScrote
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I think a lot of the the reason for that is if they were proactive they just plain wouldn't get work with the big 2. Lately it seems like writers come in and make a name for themselves at the Big 2 then make their money on creator owned work since the big 2 don't exactly compensate well.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Neal Adams was pretty pro-active about it in the 70s and 80s and he got a lot of shit done. Didn't make it great but he made it a hell of a lot better than before. Someone like him now would be great for creator's rights.
IrishNinja
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i recall hearing his name in this discussion prior, what exactly did Adams do on that front?
not like i need a great deal more reason to respect the greatest batman/so many other characters artist out there, but still.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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He tried to form a union (which failed)
He lobbied hard to get some of the royalty rules redone (which succeeded, although not only because of him)
Formed the comic creator's guild
Pushed hard for Marvel to give Jack Kirby his art back and for DC to give some kind of pension to Seigel and Shuster (both of which happened to varying levels of success)
I'm sure someone else in this thread can go more in depth, but those are the things I've heard.
IrishNinja
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^wow, that's...that's more than a lotta the greats combined. good on him!
i wanna say A.C.T.O.R. (is that even still functional?) and the CBDLF are the last/biggest efforts ive seen.
i wanna say A.C.T.O.R. (is that even still functional?) and the CBDLF are the last/biggest efforts ive seen.
BenjaminBirdie
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ViewtifulJC
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Well, that looks like Fantomex on the cover of UXF #28 to me!
SpiderJerusalem
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Is that Deathlock on the right?
Well, that looks like Fantomex on the cover of UXF #28 to me!
ViewtifulJC
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Yes. He joined the team during "Deathlok Nation" and left after Dark Angel Saga. I guess he's back for issue #28.
BenjaminBirdie
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I've read every issue and completely forgot about him altogether.
I'm not really a fan of Fantomex at all, his power and that central nervous system/spaceship thing of his always seems to be used as a cheap plot device. I miss the old X-Force line up with X-23, Domino and Archangel.
BenjaminBirdie
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Grant Morrison doesn't create "cheap plot devices".
ViewtifulJC
Banned
plot device/Diabolik pop culture reference. But, at least he's been fleshed out and humanized more in Remender's run
BenjaminBirdie
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I don't know what a "Diobolik" is (Table top role playing game? Hot dog topping? iOS game studio? Soup flavor? Salsa flavor? TV network? Horror award?) but I'm assuming you're still joking.
ViewtifulJC
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French thief/anti-hero, similar outfit, female partner-in-crime named Eva, he even took the male actor's name for Jean-Philippe
BenjaminBirdie
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French thief/anti-hero, similar outfit, female partner-in-crime named Eva, he even took the male actor's name for Jean-Philippe
Oh.
I thought it was maybe a new shake flavor at MacDowell's.
ViewtifulJC
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Now to go watch Coming to America again
BenjaminBirdie
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