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Andrex said:
Also, wtf at Joker "planting" Jason Todd as Robin. I guess in New 52-verse Bruce and Todd were never seen together? Otherwise now Joker knows Bruce is Batman.
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I always liked Joker not wanting to know Batman's identity. It made sense to the character that he wanted his rivalry to have clarity. between Batman and Joker.
 
AvX12: Well, it's over, I guess.

ASM695: God. Dammit. Not again...
Though it could be he doesn't know, he just saw the paper.
 
I should be used to it after 6-7 years of annual Marvel events, but AvX 12 was extremely predictable and underwhelming. Issue 11 was the high point, and issue 12 is more of an obligatory mop-up. Artwise, I like Adam Kubert, but this wasn't his best work. They should have switched it around so that Coipel finished off the series.

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It sort of bugs me that Cyclops' entire team is lumped in with him and the Phoenix's actions. Why is Magneto on those wanted posters (aside from past crimes that people have ignored during these last couple of years)? He just sat around for most of this event, and tried to stop Scott near the end. Why is Captain America so gung ho on hunting down the extinction team for either being possessed by the Phoenix force or not switching sides immediately when he was happy to give Wanda a free pass for being "possessed" by Dr Doom? Hell, he killed people as a spider-monster and tried to aid in the destruction of New York last year in Spider Island, and that was A-OK. By this point, most of the major Avengers have been bad guys at one point or another due to possession or mental manipulation.

Also the whole deification of Xavier is a little clumsy after they made him out to be a scoundrel a few years back. Cap and Cyclops seem to forget that Xavier did the exact same thing in 1996 as Onslaught.
 
Do we have any confirmation yet that the new "Punisher War Zone" is an ongoing or mini? And will it be a direct continuation of Rucka's run?

The only reason I ask is because I've kind of become obsessed with custom binding and am a bit impatient. If Rucka's story is truly its own thing and now over, I'd place my order for it tonight.
 
Hansel? said:
Do we have any confirmation yet that the new "Punisher War Zone" is an ongoing or mini? And will it be a direct continuation of Rucka's run?

The only reason I ask is because I've kind of become obsessed with custom binding and am a bit impatient. If Rucka's story is truly its own thing and now over, I'd place my order for it tonight.
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It is a 5 issue mini that spins out of Rucka's Punisher run. Apparently it also stands on its own though, so who knows how much overlap there will be. Punisher 16 felt like a story cap to me.
 
^ Thanks for the response. If it's a mini, I guess I'll just wait it out for the five more months and add it to the bind.
 
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Three slashes + long-standing rumors of Frank Cho doing a Wolverine book... well, not tough to figure this out.
 
In the context of the broader Marvel Universe, I feel like AvX mostly accomplished what it should have:
it undid the horribly misguided post-M-Day status quo, while maintaining the requirement that mutants are feared and hated by the public at large;
it set up an end to the notion of the X-books as an island removed from the broader universe; and it resolved Hope's story arc in a way that, at least thematically, fit well with what had come before.

As an actual story judged on its own merits, well, it's a lot more flawed. Among the biggest of these: the possibility of the Phoenix Force restoring the X-gene, which has several years worth of setup behind it and has been established for some time as being the main rationale for Scott's obsession with Hope, is completely and inexplicably ignored for most of the story in favor of a predictable "absolute power corrupts" arc for the Phoenix Five. This not only tosses out the notion of a genuine philosophical conflict between the two teams in favor of an inevitable Avengers + Good X-Men vs. Evil X-Men climax, but also makes most of the X-Men look like idiots for siding with the Five in the first place.

On the plus side, it was a good deal better than Fear Itself, and it didn't pull a complete thematic 180 in the final issue a la Civil War. But not a great series, even though I'm looking forward to Marvel NOW! and Gillen's aftermath miniseries next week.
 
Just read AvX 12.

This whole event was fucking stupid. Aside from both figurative and literal character assassination (Cyclops and Xavier, respectively) this crossover disappointed in every way imaginable. Captain America gets to be a condescending asshole and pins this all on Cyke and the others but doesn't even address the fact that all of this happened because him and the Avengers interfered and attempted to destroy the Phoenix Force which directly resulted in the Phoenix Five, it was never meant for them. So how does the story end? Hope winds up getting the Phoenix Force, which is what the Avengers were trying to prevent in the first place and she proves that they're all fucking retarded by doing good and restoring mutants. Cyclops should have just told Captain "TOLD YOU SO, FUCKFACE" and laughed in his face.

What an awful, awful, awful event. Fuck Marvel.
 
lol people so mad at an event that is the equivalent of a Michael Bay movie. AvX is fine. Lifeless....but all in all a fine event to move the universe forward.
 
Hero said:
Just read AvX 12.

This whole event was fucking stupid. Aside from both figurative and literal character assassination (Cyclops and Xavier, respectively) this crossover disappointed in every way imaginable. Captain America gets to be a condescending asshole and pins this all on Cyke and the others but doesn't even address the fact that all of this happened because him and the Avengers interfered and attempted to destroy the Phoenix Force which directly resulted in the Phoenix Five, it was never meant for them. So how does the story end? Hope winds up getting the Phoenix Force, which is what the Avengers were trying to prevent in the first place and she proves that they're all fucking retarded by doing good and restoring mutants. Cyclops should have just told Captain "TOLD YOU SO, FUCKFACE" and laughed in his face.

What an awful, awful, awful event. Fuck Marvel.
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Well, the Phoenix did destroy entire planets on its way to Earth (though don't ask me why), so it's not as though there wasn't reason to doubt its intentions.

But hopefully, that angle will be addressed a bit more in Consequences and/or Uncanny Avengers.
 
pulga said:
Fuck Captain America.
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Summary of the last few pages of AvX 12:

Scott: Hope and Phoenix Force did exactly what I said they'll do. Avengers and X-Men are closer than ever, and the Avengers are finally getting off their butts and helping mutants. I was right; I win.

Cap: No. Fuck you!!
 
Averon said:
Summary of the last few pages of AvX 12:

Scott: Hope and Phoenix Force did exactly what I said they'll do. Avengers and X-Men are closer than ever, and the Avengers are finally getting off their butts and helping mutants. I was right; I win.

Cap: No. Fuck you!!
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He's the biggest hypocritical douche in the existence of comics.

CYKE WAS RIGHT
 
Averon said:
Summary of the last few pages of AvX 12:

Scott: Hope and Phoenix Force did exactly what I said they'll do. Avengers and X-Men are closer than ever, and the Avengers are finally getting off their butts and helping mutants. I was right; I win.

Cap: No. Fuck you!!
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Pretty much.

ASM was fun this week, so there's that.
 
HEY PEOPLE HOW ABOUT THOSE SPOILER TAGS? AREN'T THEY SO EASY TO USE AND GREAT FOR KEEPING SPOILERS HIDDEN?



Teh Hamburglar said:
I always liked Joker not wanting to know Batman's identity. It made sense to the character that he wanted his rivalry to have clarity. between Batman and Joker.
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Yeah, it probably contradicts what is established but Joker always struck me as someone who doesn't even think about what's under that pointy-eared cowl. Sort of like how people never suspect Superman of having an alter ego because they figure he's always Superman, Joker only wants to see Batman as Batman and doesn't bother thinking about the rest. Heck, just knowing would probably ruin it for him.

On a related note, I'm in the process of reading a story in which Joker captures Batman and decides to torture him on live TV. Harley Quinn, fed up with Joker's infatuation with the Dark Knight and looking to do something about it, waits until Joker leaves the room... and then
unmasks Batman as Bruce Wayne to the entire viewing audience. When Joker comes back and sees what she's done, he rewards her with a savage beating before turning his attentions back to his unmasked adversary. But the thrill is gone, the game is over, and he pulls out a razor and slits Bruce's throat from ear to ear.
Yeah, it's not a nice story.



SEE? IT'S NOT SO HARD TO USE SPOILER TAGS. I JUST USED THEM TO CENSOR SPOILERS FOR A FANFICTION YOU DON'T EVEN READ.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
HEY PEOPLE HOW ABOUT THOSE SPOILER TAGS? AREN'T THEY SO EASY TO USE AND GREAT FOR KEEPING SPOILERS HIDDEN?



Yeah, it probably contradicts what is established but Joker always struck me as someone who doesn't even think about what's under that pointy-eared cowl. Sort of like how people never suspect Superman of having an alter ego because they figure he's always Superman, Joker only wants to see Batman as Batman and doesn't bother thinking about the rest. Heck, just knowing would probably ruin it for him.

On a related note, I'm in the process of reading a story in which Joker captures Batman and decides to torture him on live TV. Harley Quinn, fed up with Joker's infatuation with the Dark Knight and looking to do something about it, waits until Joker leaves the room... and then
unmasks Batman as Bruce Wayne to the entire viewing audience. When Joker comes back and sees what she's done, he rewards her with a savage beating before turning his attentions back to his unmasked adversary. But the thrill is gone, the game is over, and he pulls out a razor and slits Bruce's throat from ear to ear.
Yeah, it's not a nice story.



SEE? IT'S NOT SO HARD TO USE SPOILER TAGS. I JUST USED THEM TO CENSOR SPOILERS FOR A FANFICTION YOU DON'T EVEN READ.
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I understand what you're saying, but the sad thing about AvX is that I kinda knew all this already, and I've not even read the issue yet. So does anything unexpected or suprising happen in it at all?
 
Finished AvX 12. While I basically like how they resolved this, their cap is a despicable self-righteous asshole. The double-standard between Scarlet Witch and Cyclops is baffling.
 
Minorities being treated unfairly by (captain) America. Tsc tsc tsc.

On other news, how does people read Doop language?
 
I loved the end of AvX for the same reason that everybody hated it.
Because fuck Captain America. Because we know he was wrong even if he doesn't. Much like Tony at the end of Civil War, the wrong guy "won" and created a huge debacle in the process, but we know Cyclops and the X-Men really won AvX just in a very twisted, shitty way that might not be fully explored til later.

Just being knee jerk and saying "Uhg Cap's being Cap again and getting away with it, EVENT FAIL!" is retarded. I don't think him not acknowledging he was wrong makes the event a failure. I just hope that all the anti-Cap sentiment gets explored.
 
Acid08 said:
lol people so mad at an event that is the equivalent of a Michael Bay movie. AvX is fine. Lifeless....but all in all a fine event to move the universe forward.
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A Michael Bay movie is like two hours and not stretched over a six month period that was supposedly the breaking point of half a decade's worth of historic events. Not even close in comparison but do try again.
 
notworksafe said:
What was so unexpected or unpredictable? AvX was yawnsome and its PENIS was beyond flaccid.
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The X-gene being restored.

Which could have been guessed from the aforementioned solicitation, but probably not from most of the interview quotes Bendis has been giving about the post-AvX Marvel Universe being worse for mutants than Days of Future Past, etc.
 
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