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COMICS! |OT| April 2016. I Think You're Fearless
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echoshifting
Banned
Yeah, I think that's an apt comparison, particularly given both Superman and the Fantastic Four were the original cornerstones of their respective universes. They both seem very basic and simple on the surface but in reality they are complex books that are hard to get right.
Opinions, how do they work?!!!
RepairmanJack
Member
I know nothing about the creatives but that pitch alone has me completely sold.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Yeah, Black Cloud caught my eye for the pitch.
Serpentine
Banned
The Divided States of Hysteria - Howard Chaykin (paranoia/terrorism)
Lake of Fire - Nathan Fairbairn/Matt Smith (crusaders vs. aliens)
Rockstars - Joe Harris/Megan Hutchison (Almost Famous meets Supernatural)
Prima - Jen Van Meter/Rick Burchett (Ballet studio as espionage front, heists)
Romulus - Bryan Hill/Nelson Blake II (Assassin vs evil society)
Surgeon X - Sara Kenney/John Watkiss, and Karen Berger (!) (bio-thriller)
Prima and Romulus sound fucking awesome
Lake of Fire - Nathan Fairbairn/Matt Smith (crusaders vs. aliens)
Rockstars - Joe Harris/Megan Hutchison (Almost Famous meets Supernatural)
Prima - Jen Van Meter/Rick Burchett (Ballet studio as espionage front, heists)
Romulus - Bryan Hill/Nelson Blake II (Assassin vs evil society)
Surgeon X - Sara Kenney/John Watkiss, and Karen Berger (!) (bio-thriller)
Prima and Romulus sound fucking awesome
Whoa. Guys. You won't believe this.
So I just read the first four issues of the Ms. Marvel OHC Vol 1.
So great. I'm seriously enjoying this. And I'm not done yet, either. Probably gonna finish this whole OHC today.
Am I back? Is this the beginning of a big comeback?
So I just read the first four issues of the Ms. Marvel OHC Vol 1.
So great. I'm seriously enjoying this. And I'm not done yet, either. Probably gonna finish this whole OHC today.
Am I back? Is this the beginning of a big comeback?
Calcium
Banned
You're right.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I don't believe it.
RepairmanJack
Member
tag quote?
echoshifting
Banned
We'll see if you're neck-deep in Standoff by the end of the day
btw Standoff is still a pretty sweet crossover, incredibly
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Now I just need to know which ones are mini-series so I can cross them off the list.
Kipp: Breaker of Comics
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
lol jesus
Freezasaurus
Member
Only until they release more Monsterarts.
Serpentine
Banned
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Don't do'em.
Poodlestrike
Banned
You're right, I don't believe it.
whatsinaname
Member
Serpentine
Banned
Kill or Be Killed - Ed Brubaker/Sean Phillips (crime, probably)
The Black Monday Murders - Jonathan Hickman/Tom Coker ("Probably the best thing I've written in 3 years." Marvel BURIED)
Seven to Eternity - Rick Remender/Jerome Opena (fantasy, "This is not about taxes." Hickman BURIED.)
also Team Batgirl looking fly af
The Black Monday Murders - Jonathan Hickman/Tom Coker ("Probably the best thing I've written in 3 years." Marvel BURIED)
Seven to Eternity - Rick Remender/Jerome Opena (fantasy, "This is not about taxes." Hickman BURIED.)
also Team Batgirl looking fly af
wtf
my name is ed
Banned
Brandon and Ribic on a title? Sounds very good. Im not sure about the others. I just noticed Im pretty damn satisfied by the current Image ongoings so Im not really excited about any new Image series. I got too many to keep up with as is.
Edit: oh dammit those other announced titles sound good. I wonder what style Opena is gonna use. UXF style pls
Calcium
Banned
You have my attention.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Jesus Remender.
5 ongoing Image titles. This man is a machine.
5 ongoing Image titles. This man is a machine.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Kipp I need you to read more Hellboy
You'll love BPRD once it gets going too.
If you're looking for hardcovers, you may want to get that Kill Your Boyfriend/Vimanarama Deluxe Edition.
echoshifting
Banned
He is never going back to Marvel
Serpentine
Banned
Moonshine - Brian Azzarello/Ed Risso ("Monsters, werewolves, with a sprinkling of hillbillies.")
the surprising part of this is that this is Azz's first book at Image
Motor Crush - Cameron Stewart/Brenden Fletcher/Babs Tarr (sci-fi racing action, she's also co-writing!)
the surprising part of this is that this is Azz's first book at Image
Motor Crush - Cameron Stewart/Brenden Fletcher/Babs Tarr (sci-fi racing action, she's also co-writing!)
BrightLightLava
Unconfirmed Member
Black Panther was everything I was hoping for, and The Fix put a big goofy smile on my face. Vision 6 was top notch too.
Great day for comics all around, and I still have a bunch of books to get to.
Great day for comics all around, and I still have a bunch of books to get to.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
If at all. There was a thread over on the CBR Image forum recently about all the stuff announced last year that still hasn't come out.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Does Fletcher describe every book he does as FLCL?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Gold Key Alliance #1
Pretty standard getting the band together issue. I don't have anything much to add other than this feels like an old-school team-up book. Worth checking out if you're at all familiar with the characters.
Pretty standard getting the band together issue. I don't have anything much to add other than this feels like an old-school team-up book. Worth checking out if you're at all familiar with the characters.
BKatastrophe
Member
The Inhumans/Fantastic Four
So this was an interesting story, with half of it being a four-part Inhumans miniseries, and the second half being a four-part Fantastic Four story arc.
So to start off, the first half of the story is awesome. A fantastic sci-fi story that really is where the Inhumans shine: on a political scale. Many of the best Inhuman stories are slow-paced, with little focus on the action. What action is focused on is typically of a "big-picture" nature, by which I mean a political view. For example: the most praised of the Inhumans stories, the Jenkins and Lee run, has very little focus on any actual fighting. Instead, the focus is on the tension of Attilan being under siege from the outside and within, and the decisions that are made by Black Bolt to succeed. In this case, the tension revolves around the Inhumans being captured by Ronan, who wishes to take revenge upon the Shi'ar and Spartoi for how the Kree have been royally fucked in the grand cosmic scheme. This is basically a spy/assassin story, with the Inhuman Royal Family being held hostage and used as weapons in this scenario. As a group of insurgents. It plays to the strength of this particular part of the Marvel Universe, and does a lot of heavy set-up for War of Kings: the relationship between the Inhumans and the Kree Empire, and three of the main kingdoms that seemingly rule cosmic Marvel: the Kree, the Spartoi, and the Shi'ar.
Basically Ronan captures Attilan, using it as a massive battleship -- something we see later on in War of Kings -- and then uses the Inhuman Royal Family as an insurgent force to kill Lilandra, Shi'ar ruler, on her day to be wed to the king of Spartax (J'sonn's father, though in this story he's referred to as Jason). Ronan explains that the Inhumans were bred to be used this way, having each one transform into an existing race within the universe. This way the Kree could plant Inhumans in various races, having insurgents everywhere. It's an interesting bit of lore, but to make a long story short, the Inhumans assassinate Lilandra at Ronan's behest. Black Bolt then challenges Ronan to a duel of honor and beats him. However, his people do not want to go back to Earth, where they were persecuted and out of place. They instead stay in Attilan -- though they do not view Ronan as their ally either -- and choose to roam space. The Royal Family returns to Earth.
The second half is that the Inhumans revisit Earth, but due to being pursued by bounty hunters, crash and are viewed as invaders by the public. Now, the reason bounty hunters were being pursued is because the Lilandra they killed was not actually Lilandra, but a decoy. One of the Inhuman Royal Guard received a vision that someone would attempt to assassinate Lilandra. Jason is framed to be the orchestrator behind it, due to the Inhumans having access passes given to them by him when they befriended him much earlier. Anyways, the FF befriend the returned Royal Family and protect them from the public. It turns out that the Royals are under attack because a secret group of Inhuman children, captured and trained by Nazis, did not want to be revealed since they were heavily inserted in politics, manipulating everything. However, this is confusing since they also state that they were kicked out of Attilan due to being persecuted and feared for their abilities.
Here's my problem with the FF side: it focuses heavily on the FF. The birth of Valeria is a huge focus. Granted, I understand why the FF are there, but I don't care about any of their storylines: just the Inhumans. The children were interesting, as they wanted the Royal Family gone so that the world would not want to build a proposed "Inhuman detection device," which would reveal the children's existence. However due to the FF's presence, with a subplot about Franklin at a boarding school, it gets bogged down with shit I don't care about.
The writing and art on both sides are fine, but the Inhumans half is significantly more interesting. Narration heavy, but the narration manages to only enhance what the art already provides: a mood, tone, and setting that is absolutely encapsulating. I've spoken about it before in a previous post:
I think the main issue for me right now is that I only read the FF stories that concern the Inhumans, and as a result I don't care about the FF in those instances.
So this was an interesting story, with half of it being a four-part Inhumans miniseries, and the second half being a four-part Fantastic Four story arc.
So to start off, the first half of the story is awesome. A fantastic sci-fi story that really is where the Inhumans shine: on a political scale. Many of the best Inhuman stories are slow-paced, with little focus on the action. What action is focused on is typically of a "big-picture" nature, by which I mean a political view. For example: the most praised of the Inhumans stories, the Jenkins and Lee run, has very little focus on any actual fighting. Instead, the focus is on the tension of Attilan being under siege from the outside and within, and the decisions that are made by Black Bolt to succeed. In this case, the tension revolves around the Inhumans being captured by Ronan, who wishes to take revenge upon the Shi'ar and Spartoi for how the Kree have been royally fucked in the grand cosmic scheme. This is basically a spy/assassin story, with the Inhuman Royal Family being held hostage and used as weapons in this scenario. As a group of insurgents. It plays to the strength of this particular part of the Marvel Universe, and does a lot of heavy set-up for War of Kings: the relationship between the Inhumans and the Kree Empire, and three of the main kingdoms that seemingly rule cosmic Marvel: the Kree, the Spartoi, and the Shi'ar.
Basically Ronan captures Attilan, using it as a massive battleship -- something we see later on in War of Kings -- and then uses the Inhuman Royal Family as an insurgent force to kill Lilandra, Shi'ar ruler, on her day to be wed to the king of Spartax (J'sonn's father, though in this story he's referred to as Jason). Ronan explains that the Inhumans were bred to be used this way, having each one transform into an existing race within the universe. This way the Kree could plant Inhumans in various races, having insurgents everywhere. It's an interesting bit of lore, but to make a long story short, the Inhumans assassinate Lilandra at Ronan's behest. Black Bolt then challenges Ronan to a duel of honor and beats him. However, his people do not want to go back to Earth, where they were persecuted and out of place. They instead stay in Attilan -- though they do not view Ronan as their ally either -- and choose to roam space. The Royal Family returns to Earth.
The second half is that the Inhumans revisit Earth, but due to being pursued by bounty hunters, crash and are viewed as invaders by the public. Now, the reason bounty hunters were being pursued is because the Lilandra they killed was not actually Lilandra, but a decoy. One of the Inhuman Royal Guard received a vision that someone would attempt to assassinate Lilandra. Jason is framed to be the orchestrator behind it, due to the Inhumans having access passes given to them by him when they befriended him much earlier. Anyways, the FF befriend the returned Royal Family and protect them from the public. It turns out that the Royals are under attack because a secret group of Inhuman children, captured and trained by Nazis, did not want to be revealed since they were heavily inserted in politics, manipulating everything. However, this is confusing since they also state that they were kicked out of Attilan due to being persecuted and feared for their abilities.
Here's my problem with the FF side: it focuses heavily on the FF. The birth of Valeria is a huge focus. Granted, I understand why the FF are there, but I don't care about any of their storylines: just the Inhumans. The children were interesting, as they wanted the Royal Family gone so that the world would not want to build a proposed "Inhuman detection device," which would reveal the children's existence. However due to the FF's presence, with a subplot about Franklin at a boarding school, it gets bogged down with shit I don't care about.
The writing and art on both sides are fine, but the Inhumans half is significantly more interesting. Narration heavy, but the narration manages to only enhance what the art already provides: a mood, tone, and setting that is absolutely encapsulating. I've spoken about it before in a previous post:
A lot of that sums it up. The FF half is your basic superhero stuff: dialogue that also provides narration, bright and colorful, almost cartoonish art. It's fine, but coming off of the previous half it is most certainly more lackluster than anything. I really enjoyed the Inhuman half of this story, which I heavily recommend to anyone looking for good Inhuman reads. However, I can't recommend the second half unless you are also interested in the FF at the time, which I was not. A good Inhumans story, followed by what may or may not have been a decent FF story.
I think the main issue for me right now is that I only read the FF stories that concern the Inhumans, and as a result I don't care about the FF in those instances.
TetraxShards
Member
OH MY! WHAT'S KIPP DOING IN THE IMPACT ZONE COMICS OT?
Nameless!
Serpentine
Banned
Isola - Brenden Fletcher/Karl Kerschl (ponderous romance, Miyazaki and ElfQuest influences)
okay, I think that's all of them
that Nick Spencer/Morgan Jeske comic is probably never gonna come out
okay, I think that's all of them
that Nick Spencer/Morgan Jeske comic is probably never gonna come out
Serpentine
Banned
http://creatorsforcreators.org/
$30k grant for comics creators.
Rafa, Kipp... this is your chance!!!!!
$30k grant for comics creators.
Rafa, Kipp... this is your chance!!!!!
Future Foundation
Member
None of those books have come out yet?
Fantastic Four is a series that I didn't start to loce until I started reading through the 616 on Marvel Unlimited. Still not that far in the reading order (haven't even hit Avengers #1), but man Fantastic Four is the most important book in the line of what i've read. The cool thing is that it isn't a superhero book but an exploration book about a series of adventures, who happen to do superheroish things.
I think that's why the team was floundered outside of a few runs, The Avengers are the premier marvel superhero team and has been for a while. The X-men learned that along time ago doubling down on soap Operish superhero notes and focusing on building its own pocket. Likewise a modern day Fantastic Four in theory should be less Avengers and more Challengers of the Unknown or Black Science.
The sad part is the Ultimate is a perfectly good Fantstic Four series.
I think that's why the team was floundered outside of a few runs, The Avengers are the premier marvel superhero team and has been for a while. The X-men learned that along time ago doubling down on soap Operish superhero notes and focusing on building its own pocket. Likewise a modern day Fantastic Four in theory should be less Avengers and more Challengers of the Unknown or Black Science.
The sad part is the Ultimate is a perfectly good Fantstic Four series.