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COMICS! |OT| August 2013. The only time of year when everyone envies Bobby Drake.
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Hey guys, new to comics. Reading Batman stuff right now but there was something I was hoping someone here could help me find.
My motivation to start reading comics was from a picture I saw of Superman and Wonder Woman sitting on a building(?) together and Superman saying "I miss him." He was referring to Batman. Pretty sure anyways, otherwise it wouldn't have resonated.
Idk why he was saying that, but my speculation from my memory is that he died in that comic or something. My friend told me that the only one Batman died in, at least in a joint comic was Final Crisis, but he may not have died in the comic I'm referring to since I'm only guessing from that one panel.
Anyone have any ideas? I've only read Batman Year One, Long Halloween and Dark Victory, so I have no clue to what it could be.
My motivation to start reading comics was from a picture I saw of Superman and Wonder Woman sitting on a building(?) together and Superman saying "I miss him." He was referring to Batman. Pretty sure anyways, otherwise it wouldn't have resonated.
Idk why he was saying that, but my speculation from my memory is that he died in that comic or something. My friend told me that the only one Batman died in, at least in a joint comic was Final Crisis, but he may not have died in the comic I'm referring to since I'm only guessing from that one panel.
Anyone have any ideas? I've only read Batman Year One, Long Halloween and Dark Victory, so I have no clue to what it could be.
Shin Johnpv
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Thank you.
It bounces around quality wise IMHO. In some ways it just doesn't make sense to me, like in the current arc, shes teamed up with some random gang in Gotham to fight the Penguin. You have the Penguin in a helicopter shooting missles at a street and blowing up city blocks. In Gotham. And Batman doesn't show up. Really now. That's just kind of a surface complaint I think the real problem is they don't know what to do with the character.
oh, they know. they did in nu52 Catwoman #1 -> latex sex.
they simply don't have the balls to make the erotica comics Catwoman deserves.
Catwoman R rated Morrisson comics. pretty please.
To be fair, if they did something like that, You would probably have people rioting all over the place.
already happened.
just google catwoman#1 reaction.
I'm european, btw, and I say bring the sex.
is it this bad if a "catwoman" book is about sex, murders and thefts?
Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
I followed Catwoman for a large chunk of Judd Winnick's run and honestly, the first few issues were very solid. The dialogue consists almost entirely of cliches but the actual premise and the direction he was taking Selena was great. The sex scene was absolutely fine in the context of the issue and March's art was glorious.
But then it just veered into shite territory with Dollhouse, Dollface, whateverdumbfuckingdoll villain and the dude-sidekick who was a completely flat character...
But then it just veered into shite territory with Dollhouse, Dollface, whateverdumbfuckingdoll villain and the dude-sidekick who was a completely flat character...
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Layman is writing in November, so if he is getting a run at her it would be something to look at. Noccenti is flatout awful. Really oike this updated spread of the Trinity War teaser. http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1377306534 can't wait for Forever Evil AND the February release of their respective figures.
yep.
nu52 catwoman was supposed to be very sexy.
and Winnick got burned by parasitic fuckers.
and DC bailed out.
truth is Starfire in Red Hood was of poor taste and released at the same time.
but catwoman is explictly sexual right in her name.
GrandHarrier
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Yeah that was about the time my interest started waning. Not enough to cancel but to go into "I'll read you in a few months" like I've done with Detective Comics and Dark Knight.
Her boytoy sidekick was just lame.
Spike Spiegel
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International jewel thief. Addicted to the thrill of the crime. Daring heists, daring getaways. Paris, London, Milan, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Moscow, Rio. Pleasure and adventure, wrapped up in skintight leather and a bullwhip. Case the joint, do the job, win the chase, fence the loot for a fraction of its worth, live like a queen for a week or two until the itch needs scratching and do it all again.
But, she's got to leave Gotham for that. Leave the city of gruesome psychos, pointy-cowled jerks, and grim personal drama behind her.
And DC won't let that happen for long. Gotta be hung up on the Bat, gotta be part of his world.
But, she's got to leave Gotham for that. Leave the city of gruesome psychos, pointy-cowled jerks, and grim personal drama behind her.
And DC won't let that happen for long. Gotta be hung up on the Bat, gotta be part of his world.
ViewtifulJC
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How many times can we watch Catwoman all up on Batman while he stands there all chaste and better than her before somebody says, "What the fuck, guys?"
Wonder Woman, Batwoman and Batman Inc...
it's not DC not letting, it's DC not having a clue.
at this point, DC's best move is to get Catwoman in a relationship with Lex Luthor (the pimp version from Action comics pre 52).
Power, greed, corruption, sex, gadgets, international thefts and power plays.
from street level antiheroine to terrifying yet tragic queen. and with Lex tech she can actually face off the Batman.
because I'd rather read a Bonnie and Clyde Lex/Selyna book than Supes/Wonder.
Still easier to pull in mainstream comics than Joker/Harley (this is a disturbing relationship when you consider both characters could actually engage in sexual intercourse).
TetraxShards
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Goddamnit Spike, sometimes I wish you were running DC. That sounds amazing.
GrandHarrier
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Someone who doesn't view a single DC title worth getting? Interesting choice. ;-)
The Catwoman books' problem (as of when I read it) wasn't that it was being tied into the Bat mythos at the hip, it's more that there is just a shitty writer with little editorial to reign it in. They are (were?) trying to make her an antihero when she should be a criminal who occasionally does a good deed.
lol. Catwoman/Darwyn Cooke. say thanks after.
she is on the JLA...nuff said.
GrandHarrier
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Right. That is DC trying to make her the antihero. And giving her a (shitty) rogues gallery of her own, in her book. They should instead have her be a criminal who sometimes does something good.
Spike Spiegel
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"Selina's Big Score."
But at the same time, the Brubaker/Cooke run of her ongoing from the same era really kicked the anti-hero angle for the character into overdrive. And, as much as I love it for being quality stuff, that run and what it made Selina into has been an albatross around Catwoman's neck ever since; an inescapable shadow that not even a reboot could undo. The "Hero of the East End" role sunk her roots into Gotham, and they still haven't fully let go to this day. Cut those roots, I say; allow Selina to slip free of this protector role and get back to doing what she loves: stealing stuff that doesn't belong to her. Not because she's Robin Hood in black fetishwear, not because of some traumatic past that keeps coming back to haunt her, not because there are people in Gotham who depend upon her... but, because she loves stealing.
Catwoman should be a BAD girl, not a "bad" girl.
EDIT: GrandHarrier and I are, miraculously, in agreement on this. Enough with making Selina the anti-hero.
I'll just say this.
Marvel's new Gambit series from Asmus/Mann ends sometime next month, and I read the whole thing from start to end. And looking back on it, in my opinion what ultimately sunk that book wasn't just the carousel of fill-in artists, or the fact that it starred Gambit... it's that they went "actions can have grave consequences" way, WAY too early. He pulled one "guilty pleasure" heist in the first issue, and then spent the next eight being the "hero" and dealing with the fallout. Then, he spent the next four being the "hero" and trying to protect the woman he met in the first issue. Then, he spent the next two dealing with the aftermath of that debacle!
The premise of that book was "mutant thief-turned-hero needs to scratch that thieving itch," and then it spent all its time telling readers about the resulting rash. It had its moments, but overall that's not a fun ride.
Spike Spiegel
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Yep, that's what Adam Strange used to look like, alright.
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Deleted member 47027
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I want to dive into Trinity War, but where do I start? Is this spread across multiple titles, or is it just under one banner?
KoruptData
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Justice League #22
Justice League of America #6?
Justice League Dark #22
Justice League of America #7?
Justice League Dark #23
Justice League #23 Out this Wed.
Non important tie ins in Pandora, Phantom Stranger, and Constatine.
Spike Spiegel
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Justice League
Justice League of America
Justice League Dark
Phantom Stranger
Trinity of Sin: Pandora
Two issues of each, I think.
EDIT: Forgot Constantine.
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Deleted member 47027
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Blerg, at least they're easy to keep straight in the brain. Thanks fellas.
GrandHarrier
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I'll say that Pandora has been a decent tie in, imo. She gives some back story to what is going on, justifying it. Constantine has been goofy fun but really isn't required. Phantom Stranger has one issue (where they go to "Heaven?" I think?) that could put some aspects of the main storyline into a better context but I don't pull it and I feel like I'm fine.
What a delightfully interesting parallel. Yeah, I do think we are in agreement on this point, if you want to do a thief character right you need to let them exult in that role. That doesn't mean you can't have consequences, like in that Gambit title, but they shouldn't be the focus. They should be the thing that briefly interferes with their awesome escapades.
I think you're referring to an issue of Superman/Batman that happened post Final Crisis. Can't tell you the number though.
TetraxShards
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My best guess is that it's #76. From Wiki:
I've read Catwoman: Trail of the Catwoman, which has Selina's Big Score in it. It's good stuff and I'd like a Catwoman book that's similar.
Vermillion
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Okay ComicGAF, topic. Looking at how much praise Hawkeye and Captain America are getting, I wanted to ask - have there been any notable runs that started off *amazing* and then got bad?
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Possibly, (Doubt it, though.) but from what I've seen, it also looks like
this is the issue where we come full circle and X-23 kills Hazmat.
back my theory.
EDIT: Ok, I just read part of #15 and it looks like
they're both missing.
Justice_dp
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This picture you describe is most likley from "Justice League of America (Vol. 2) #0" from the tailend of 2006 and it was a popular issue where readers saw past/future/current versions of the trinity and how they are connected.
It has the dialoge and setting you descirbe. Diana reassures Clark, that Bruce knew how much he ment to him even if they had differences later on.
Justice_dp
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I'm not so sure because the B/S series did not feature them in any setting that matches what Sajjaja recalls.
BuddyJoeHooker
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It's always been lurking in the shadows on the backburner ever since it was first announced in 2006. Every year or two someone gives a tiny little update, but it's never been at the level of Grant Morrison's Wonder Woman project or anything of that sort, where the general DC fanbase is clamoring for it.
Justice_dp
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@BuddyJoeHooker: That's some strong google-fu! Thank you for the picture. Now it seems like it is indeed B/S.
Fellow Trinity War readers - anyone fancy a last round of speculation before JL23 hits?
The preview is meaty.
Fellow Trinity War readers - anyone fancy a last round of speculation before JL23 hits?
The preview is meaty.
So now we know Darkseid did conquer/destroy E3 before reaching the Prime Earth and it seems like the CS survived the incident. The Outsider did not come alone - A woman came with him. It does not seem to be Superwoman, but most likely the "mole" in the JLs. And once again the age of Metas seems to have started earlier on E3 than on the prime earth. This is another interesting tidbit of information, because we know that on E2 the "Wonders" seem to have emerged close to 20 years prior to our earth. This means that DS seems to try to reap the specific earths whenever they have individuals that are at least at (power?) level 8, when followin the classification Morrison established in Action Comics #7. Further Supes said in JL5 that he saw a version of himself die/hurt badly while at DS's mercy. What if this was not the E2 Superman as we thought till now, but instead Ultraman? And with the speculation of E2 Supes being alive but brainwashed and the story happening in B/S I hope that the "next phase" of the N52 will go bonkers with the multiverse.
Yeah I think its this one. They used first names and that part about how much Bruce meant to Clark seems to ring a bell.
I'll look into it and let you all know. Thanks.
slightconfuse
Banned
Wonder which grant Morrison project will materialize first .
Wonder Woman or multiversity
Wonder Woman or multiversity
Wonder Woman has 20 out of 120 pages ready to go, according to Morrison and Paquette.
Do we have any idea what the status on Multiversity is?
slightconfuse
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Guessing since Cameron Stuart is working on SEAGUY . His issue is done.
Quietly might need to do more but he is busy with mark Millard watchmen .
I don't. Know who else is drawing it
Spike Spiegel
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They're both right; the scene you're looking for occurs twice in pre-reboot DCU.
Superman/Batman #76 by Winick/Rudy, set after Batman's death in 'Final Crisis': at one point in the story, Superman and Wonder Woman are sitting on a rooftop watching the skyline at sunset, and she's trying to help him get over Batman's death. The whole issue is about how Superman deals with Batman's death, or fails to, and about how he initially reacts to Dick taking over as Batman.
Justice League of America #0 by Meltzer/Kubert, following 'Infinite Crisis': the entire issue is one big montage of scenes from past, present, and future throughout the Multiverse. In one glimpse of a possible future, Superman and Wonder Woman are sitting on a rooftop in the rain, and Superman is telling her how Batman died fighting and how Batman hated him, and she's trying to tell him that's not true.
Superman/Batman #76 by Winick/Rudy, set after Batman's death in 'Final Crisis': at one point in the story, Superman and Wonder Woman are sitting on a rooftop watching the skyline at sunset, and she's trying to help him get over Batman's death. The whole issue is about how Superman deals with Batman's death, or fails to, and about how he initially reacts to Dick taking over as Batman.
Justice League of America #0 by Meltzer/Kubert, following 'Infinite Crisis': the entire issue is one big montage of scenes from past, present, and future throughout the Multiverse. In one glimpse of a possible future, Superman and Wonder Woman are sitting on a rooftop in the rain, and Superman is telling her how Batman died fighting and how Batman hated him, and she's trying to tell him that's not true.
Just wanted to chime in that I finished reading The Strange Talent of Luther Strode last night. Brutal fucking book. Enjoyed it. Already have The Legend TPB pre-ordered.
Still waiting for Amazon to ship Batman 52 Vol 1 and Punk Rock Jesus, but I have Saga volumes 1 & 2 to read in the meantime.
Still waiting for Amazon to ship Batman 52 Vol 1 and Punk Rock Jesus, but I have Saga volumes 1 & 2 to read in the meantime.
Strange Talent is indeed fucking awesome. Tradd Moore is a beast.
Shin Johnpv
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I wonder if the Amanda Waller we've seen is the plant. I also wonder how DS is going across universes, as opposed to just a DS in each Universe attacking when the metas start to show up. I personally hope things don't go bonkers with the multiverse. The best thing DC ever did IMHO was destroy the multiverse. It just allows for too many poorly written outs IMHO. Yes I will admit that Earth 2, and Trinity War has been spectacular so far. I just don't want much more Multiverse than that. It lets writers come in and say ohh hey that Superman you've been reading for the last 2 years, yeah not OUR Superman! That was actually the Earth 7 Superman who put outs in deep sleep and now here's the real thing! OMG! I don't need to read about 17 different versions of the characters. I know that's not a popular opinion here probably, but CoIE was the best decision DC has ever made.
Brubaker's Captain America before Reborn and after was a huge drop.
Walking Dead through issue 60 and after
Fables through vol 12, stuff after wasn't "bad", but not as good.
Thor by JMS when he left it without an ending and Gillen tried to close it
Buffy the Vampire Season 8 started strong but finished terrible
Green Lantern by Johns through Blackest Night....then the events that followed
that's all I can think of from what i read.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
JMS' Amazing Spider-Man after John Romita Jr left
Milligan's Shade the Changing Man when Bachalo dropped out after #50 because X-Men(the very last story is great, though)
100 Bullets when they really went for 100 issues instead of preferably perhaps, 40 bullets/issues
Remender Uncanny X-Force post-Dark Angel Saga/post-Jerome Opena
Milligan's Shade the Changing Man when Bachalo dropped out after #50 because X-Men(the very last story is great, though)
100 Bullets when they really went for 100 issues instead of preferably perhaps, 40 bullets/issues
Remender Uncanny X-Force post-Dark Angel Saga/post-Jerome Opena
La Maquinon
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List
Previews #300
Lazarus #3
100 Penny Press TMNT #1
Henry and Glenn Forever and Ever #1
Mr. Toast Comics #5
Station to Station one-shot
DC Superpets Character Encyclopedia TP
And... can I just say? *nerd rage warning* Where the hell is my TWD comics Andrea action figure? I'm not talkin' about that sad sack from the show. I'm talking about bad ass dead shot Andrea from the books. You are so kidding me that we have figures being released for Michonne's Pet and Penny - Penny!- and no Andrea yet. You are so kidding me.
Previews #300
Lazarus #3
100 Penny Press TMNT #1
Henry and Glenn Forever and Ever #1
Mr. Toast Comics #5
Station to Station one-shot
DC Superpets Character Encyclopedia TP
And... can I just say? *nerd rage warning* Where the hell is my TWD comics Andrea action figure? I'm not talkin' about that sad sack from the show. I'm talking about bad ass dead shot Andrea from the books. You are so kidding me that we have figures being released for Michonne's Pet and Penny - Penny!- and no Andrea yet. You are so kidding me.
Freezasaurus
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I got my copy of Blue Is the Warmest Color in the mail from Amazon today.
Heard about it because of the indy film. Thought I'd give it a read.
Heard about it because of the indy film. Thought I'd give it a read.
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