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COMICS! |OT| August 2013. The only time of year when everyone envies Bobby Drake.

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slightconfuse

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Jedeye Sniv said:
lmao that end of Trinity War. Fantastic art all the way but
GRID? Seriously? What a dumb fucking name. Great concept, totally undercut by the dumb name that actually made me lol, The rest of it was fairly as expected, lots of pictures of people jumping into the air vaguely. I liked Supes getting jealous, and I like the idea that Owlman will tie in to the court of owls stuff, that's clever. The rest... meh. Read it before, and better.
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As an aside earth 3 robins name was talon
 
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KoruptData

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Top 5 books of the week. Top book was hard to pick but ill settle with this order.

1. Justice League #23 the art in this book pushed it to the top.

2. Lazarus #3 had the best story of the week. This book is gonna be good.

3. Batman Superman #3

4. Green Team #4

5. Ultimate Comics Spiderman #26
 
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Vibranium

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Wow, Uncanny Avengers is off the chain right now (finally caught up), I like how Remender is currently mixing the narration with dialogue, I'm down with it. The conversation between Wasp and Cap regarding Dimension Z was a great thing to see, it's showing that while Cap's hurting badly he's able to put a professional face on. Still want him to hook up with Wanda rather than Simon potentially getting with her.

Thor vs. Sentry was so much fun, I was giddy like a kid with all the explosions and shit. And he's such a player with Rogue, Wolvie's "ass grabbing" comment was just hilarious.
 
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slightconfuse

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Chris sims Kirby scorebook is pretty dope

Birdie is in there!!
http://comicsalliance.com/chris-sims-the-complete-jack-kirby-character-sketchbook- summer-2013/
 
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Rafa=FedKilla

Banned
Mafro said:
The X-Men fanboys on there are creepy as hell. They're like a weird cult or something.
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Glad Im not the only one.


Owlman gonna wreck some shit when he sees all those pretenders running around on this earth.



And Jedeye, please stop comic guying shamining me please.
 
Jedeye Sniv

Jedeye Sniv

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Rafa=FedKilla said:
Glad Im not the only one.


Owlman gonna wreck some shit when he sees all those pretenders running around on this earth.



And Jedeye, please stop comic guying shamining me please.
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Huh? I say it as I see it man, and TW was not a good story. It had interesting beats and some great art but as I said earlier, it's not going to sit proud on anyone's shelf. What was the point in this story beyond shuffling pieces on a chessboard? What were the themes? What did it say, about anything? About the characters, the universe, how it relates to my life? If wanting a good story is being a 'comic book guy' then I'm growing out my ponytail ASAP.

You guys like it and disagree with me? Cool, state your case then, bring your argument. But make it stronger than "I like these characters"

Young Avengers was pretty good though. That one scene... Sadface... :( also was fun to see bisexuality brought up, I don't think I've ever seen that in a mainstream book before.

Edit: and the one thing from it that is really interesting is Owlman for sure. I'm really interested to see how he interacts with the batverse. See, I'm not a total curmudgeon.
 
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Rafa=FedKilla

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Jedeye Sniv said:
Huh? I say it as I see it man, and TW was not a good story. It had interesting beats and some great art but as I said earlier, it's not going to sit proud on anyone's shelf. What was the point in this story beyond shuffling pieces on a chessboard? What were the themes? What did it say, about anything? About the characters, the universe, how it relates to my life? If wanting a good story is being a 'comic book guy' then I'm growing out my ponytail ASAP.

You guys like it and disagree with me? Cool, state your case then, bring your argument. But make it stronger than "I like these characters"

Young Avengers was pretty good though. That one scene... Sadface... :( also was fun to see bisexuality brought up, I don't think I've ever seen that in a mainstream book before.

Edit: and the one thing from it that is really interesting is Owlman for sure. I'm really interested to see how he interacts with the batverse. See, I'm not a total curmudgeon.
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Im just messing with you brah. I just love stories.
 
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Anticitizen One

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Jedeye Sniv said:
What? It was ok, and very good compared to recent DC, but it wasn't a patch on Blackest Night even plus a few others. It was workman-like, and not a particularly strong story in itself.

Started very strong though. Just about to read the last issue so I can highlight all these spoiler bars.
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Blackest Night was pretty bad. Like it had a cool premise but it ended up being too convoluted.
 
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Anticitizen One

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Jedeye Sniv said:
Huh? I say it as I see it man, and TW was not a good story. It had interesting beats and some great art but as I said earlier, it's not going to sit proud on anyone's shelf. What was the point in this story beyond shuffling pieces on a chessboard? What were the themes? What did it say, about anything? About the characters, the universe, how it relates to my life? If wanting a good story is being a 'comic book guy' then I'm growing out my ponytail ASAP.

You guys like it and disagree with me? Cool, state your case then, bring your argument. But make it stronger than "I like these characters"

Young Avengers was pretty good though. That one scene... Sadface... :( also was fun to see bisexuality brought up, I don't think I've ever seen that in a mainstream book before.

Edit: and the one thing from it that is really interesting is Owlman for sure. I'm really interested to see how he interacts with the batverse. See, I'm not a total curmudgeon.
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It's the first time all those DC characters really interact with each other and go on an adventure together so that was pretty exciting.
 
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BuddyJoeHooker

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Anticitizen One said:
Trinity War was honestly the best event story made in the past decade from any publisher. However, I do wish those idiots at DC didn't spoil the big twist ahead of time.
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Jedeye Sniv said:
What? It was ok, and very good compared to recent DC, but it wasn't a patch on Blackest Night even plus a few others. It was workman-like, and not a particularly strong story in itself.

Started very strong though. Just about to read the last issue so I can highlight all these spoiler bars.
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Sinestro Corps War was better than both Trinity War and Blackest Night, and lets not forget that DC spoiled that event also.
 
Jedeye Sniv

Jedeye Sniv

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Anticitizen One said:
Blackest Night was pretty bad. Like it had a cool premise but it ended up being too convoluted.
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Tbh I don't remember all the details from that story, but I do remember that BN gave me my first comics related nightmare, so it earns a special place in my heart. Also had mostly great tie ins, and just a great premise all together. The colored lantern shit did get a bit OTT for sure though.

Anticitizen One said:
It's the first time all those DC characters really interact with each other and go on an adventure together so that was pretty exciting.
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So it was the comics equivalent of dumping all your toys onto the floor from the toy box and mashing them all together.

And really, it's not the first time at all, the new 52 is emperors new clothes and we've all seen superheroes punch each other before. And was it even an adventure? It seemed mostly (esp in the second half) to be characters stood around in a room talking. I lost track more than a few times of who was on what team and why, and where they were and why. It was just a bit muddled. A three way battle is a decent idea in theory, but really hard to make work in practice it seems.

And it's not like I'm just anti DC (been reading their books for 20 years), I shat all over AvX last year and that shared a lot of similar problems. But the upside of it was the fantastic current Marvel status quo. If DC can take the mess they've made and make something worthwhile out of it ill be really impressed with them and happy to give them all my money. But as it is I read Dark Reign already, they've got to do something mighty impressive now.
 
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Justice_dp

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Jedeye Sniv said:
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You guys like it and disagree with me? Cool, state your case then, bring your argument. But make it stronger than "I like these characters"


Edit: and the one thing from it that is really interesting is Owlman for sure. I'm really interested to see how he interacts with the batverse. See, I'm not a total curmudgeon.
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I'm with you on this.
Trinity War as an event was very much standard DC stuff. It was "have the Metahumans beat the crap out of each other with clean, non-threatening art".

I think it started strong with questions about what a hero can be and how different ideas of what defines a hero can clash with each other. This was used in two issues and had no real gravitas.

Ultimatly it was hollow - without meaning or message. With Cardboard cut out's of characters - that should evoke emotions from the reader because they are "iconic" figures - going at each other.

I have a few more beats of this written a few pages back and I commented on it as part 5 of trinity war got released.

I dread that these issues will become even more problematic was we move into Forever Evil, as we lose the momentum that Trinity War had because of the weekly release of the books.
 
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Schweinehund

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Trying to avoid this thread until I catch up, spoilers ahoy. I'm up to Justice League #12, kind of wishing for a shazam and black adam comic series. The art direction is fantastic in new 52, I love supes new suit.
 
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Justice_dp

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Jedeye Sniv said:
Tbh I don't remember all the details from that story, but I do remember that BN gave me my first comics related nightmare, so it earns a special place in my heart. Also had mostly great tie ins, and just a great premise all together. The colored lantern shit did get a bit OTT for sure though.

So it was the comics equivalent of dumping all your toys onto the floor from the toy box and mashing them all together.
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Argh... No Blackest Night was way weaker than Trinity war. BN was a long romp where the best parts of the story were resolved in tie in issues by Tomasi. BN as a DC wide event made it very very weak. The last really well written event was Final Crisis and I dare to say it was the only line-wide event DC did which was done in a good way.

The "family-crossovers" are way better in most cases and have much more meat to their bones.
 
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Anticitizen One

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Jedeye Sniv said:
So it was the comics equivalent of dumping all your toys onto the floor from the toy box and mashing them all together.

And really, it's not the first time at all, the new 52 is emperors new clothes and we've all seen superheroes punch each other before. And was it even an adventure? It seemed mostly (esp in the second half) to be characters stood around in a room talking. I lost track more than a few times of who was on what team and why, and where they were and why. It was just a bit muddled. A three way battle is a decent idea in theory, but really hard to make work in practice it seems.

And it's not like I'm just anti DC (been reading their books for 20 years), I shat all over AvX last year and that shared a lot of similar problems. But the upside of it was the fantastic current Marvel status quo. If DC can take the mess they've made and make something worthwhile out of it ill be really impressed with them and happy to give them all my money. But as it is I read Dark Reign already, they've got to do something mighty impressive now.
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I get the feeling you just weren't all that into it. Yea we've seen the DCU together before but in this universe we have not and it was an adventure in the sense that we saw all these different factions racing to solve the mystery of pandoras box and dealing with all kinds of issues like Amanda Waller creating a team who's sole purpose was to take down the JL, Superman's sickness, etc. It was a really fun mystery story I liked it a hell of ALOT more than that garbage identity crisis.
 
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Justice_dp

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Anticitizen One said:
I get the feeling you just weren't all that into it. Yea we've seen the DCU together before but in this universe we have not and it was an adventure in the sense that we saw all these different factions racing to solve the mystery of pandoras box and dealing with all kinds of issues like Amanda Waller creating a team who's sole purpose was to take down the JL, Superman's sickness, etc. It was a really fun mystery story I liked it a hell of ALOT more than that garbage identity crisis.
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The difference is that compaired to TW Identity crisis had both a motive and strong narrative that used it's characters very well to explore this motive before provding the reader with a resolution.

I have a few problems with IC but it's writting was way stronger than anything in TW.
 
Jedeye Sniv

Jedeye Sniv

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Justice_dp said:
I'm with you on this.
Trinity War as an event was very much standard DC stuff. It was "have the Metahumans beat the crap out of each other with clean, non-threatening art".

I think it started strong with questions about what a hero can be and how different ideas of what defines a hero can clash with each other. This was used in two issues and had no real gravitas.

Ultimatly it was hollow - without meaning or message. With Cardboard cut out's of characters - that should evoke emotions from the reader because they are "iconic" figures - going at each other.

I have a few more beats of this written a few pages back and I commented on it as part 5 of trinity war got released.

I dread that these issues will become even more problematic was we move into Forever Evil, as we lose the momentum that Trinity War had because of the weekly release of the books.
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You know what word in comics is utterly meaningless? 'Hero'

Isn't it funny how overuse has kind of trivialized what the word actually means, especially in the comics realm. All these themes about "what it is to be a hero", what does that even mean?? This is not a criticism of you btw, but something that's been kicking around in my head for years and your sentence about heroes clashing made me think of it. It's such a hollow definition, so meaningless, and I think it makes the motivations and actions of the characters mean less. Why does this person do these things? Because they're a hero. Why are these guys fighting? Because they disagree - about what it is to be a hero. It's so silly. Can you even be a hero if that's your vocation? It feels like there should be some element of spontaneity about it, or the fact that its unusual or rare.

Most supes these days are more like soldiers or militiamen - something the new JLA series was picking up on but didn't follow through with.

Do super powered characters need to be heroes or villains intrinsically? Is there some other label that could be attached to them that isn't so incongruous and weird?

I dunno. This is not even half thought out.
 
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Anticitizen One

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Justice_dp said:
The difference is that compaired to TW Identity crisis had both a motive and strong narrative that used it's characters very well to explore this motive before provding the reader with a resolution.

I have a few problems with IC but it's writting was way stronger than anything in TW.
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I'll stick with TW thanks

ic was trash
 
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SpiderJerusalem

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Trinity War was fun. I'm glad I didn't know about the end.
I feel like I'm not feeling Infinity so I unsubbed it and Avengers/New Avengers. I'll probably still pick them up because I'm a weak bitch. I feel like Hulk isn't doing it for me either. Its probably next.
This isn't retaliation for losing JiM today if thats what you're thinking.
 
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Justice_dp

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Jedeye Sniv said:
You know what word in comics is utterly meaningless? 'Hero'

Isn't it funny how overuse has kind of trivialized what the word actually means, especially in the comics realm. All these themes about "what it is to be a hero", what does that even mean?? This is not a criticism of you btw, but something that's been kicking around in my head for years and your sentence about heroes clashing made me think of it. It's such a hollow definition, so meaningless, and I think it makes the motivations and actions of the characters mean less. Why does this person do these things? Because they're a hero. Why are these guys fighting? Because they disagree - about what it is to be a hero. It's so silly. Can you even be a hero if that's your vocation? It feels like there should be some element of spontaneity about it, or the fact that its unusual or rare.

Most supes these days are more like soldiers or militiamen - something the new JLA series was picking up on but didn't follow through with.

Do super powered characters need to be heroes or villains intrinsically? Is there some other label that could be attached to them that isn't so incongruous and weird?

I dunno. This is not even half thought out.
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Dude THANKS!
That is a great post!
So much of the things I failed to articulate is here.
 
Jedeye Sniv

Jedeye Sniv

Banned
Anticitizen One said:
I get the feeling you just weren't all that into it. Yea we've seen the DCU together before but in this universe we have not and it was an adventure in the sense that we saw all these different factions racing to solve the mystery of pandoras box and dealing with all kinds of issues like Amanda Waller creating a team who's sole purpose was to take down the JL, Superman's sickness, etc. It was a really fun mystery story I liked it a hell of ALOT more than that garbage identity crisis.
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You make a good point there, the Waller/JLA angle WAS interesting for sure. But they dropped it really quickly, and it wasn't the focus of the story when it perhaps should have been, taking second place to a macguffin hunt. A story about the government sponsored JLA vs a more 'altruistic' Justice League would have been much more interesting as a metaphor for something like corporate culture vs DIY ethic or something, I don't know. But it quickly lost drama (as in, characters with competing motives at odds with each other) in favor of a burly brawl mixed up with weirdly Christian spirituality chasing around a magic plot box around the place.

Anyway, I should probably stop talking about this, I think I'm pissing folks off.
 
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Kikarian

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Where do you guys get your comic book related news?

As in, where do you find out about new comics etc?

I'm currently using ComicVine, but wondering if there's any alternatives...
 
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Acid08

Banned
JiM 655

:(

I need more Sif. She's the best and Schiti fucking rocked this book. Going to miss his art a lot. Going to miss Beta Ray Bill too, he's too fucking cool to get underutilized like this. Fingers crossed for a Thor arc that brings in Bill.
 
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Mafro

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Kikarian said:
Where do you guys get your comic book related news?

As in, where do you find out about new comics etc?

I'm currently using ComicVine, but wondering if there's any alternatives...
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Bleeding Cool, Comics Alliance, Comic Book Resources and Newsarama are the main ones.
 
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Nudull

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Kikarian said:
Where do you guys get your comic book related news?

As in, where do you find out about new comics etc?

I'm currently using ComicVine, but wondering if there's any alternatives...
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I get mine from Comics Alliance and CBR, and I post in the latter's forum pretty frequently.
 
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SpiderJerusalem

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Jedeye Sniv said:
You make a good point there, the Waller/JLA angle WAS interesting for sure. But they dropped it really quickly, and it wasn't the focus of the story when it perhaps should have been, taking second place to a macguffin hunt. A story about the government sponsored JLA vs a more 'altruistic' Justice League would have been much more interesting as a metaphor for something like corporate culture vs DIY ethic or something, I don't know. But it quickly lost drama (as in, characters with competing motives at odds with each other) in favor of a burly brawl mixed up with weirdly Christian spirituality chasing around a magic plot box around the place.

Anyway, I should probably stop talking about this, I think I'm pissing folks off.
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that JLA thing...yea, I don't get that either if its dropped already now
 
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Zen_Arcade

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So is Minimum Carnage worth reading? I just finished the first Scarlet Spider trade and want to continue on, but I noticed the third story arc is a crossover and I don't want to get it if it isn't very good.
 
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Filthy Slug

Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
Alright, I'm not too mad about the Ben Reilly cocktease. Fun issue of Scarlet Spidey, yo.
 
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slightconfuse

Banned
Not going to be able to do the OT after all. Totally forgot about my family plans this wekkend, plus im under the weather.

sorry guys.

on another note Thor this week was dope
 
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Mxrz

Member
New Avengers felt short, but sweet.

Hopefully the Land of marysues Wakanda gets wrecked soon. BP sort of bought some cool points back last issue up until the "What giants do." There's probably a whole buncha of meta bits to that but bleh. Bit tired of Atlantis being destroyed every couple of years at this point. But it'll be interesting to see where Namor goes, it sounds like one of the Marvel writers has plans for him after all this.

I guess I should read the rest of the Infinity stuff, but all the interesting parts seem to be contained to Earth & NA already.
 
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Kikarian

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The problem I have, as I'm new to comics, is knowing/remembering characters.

When a characters actual name is called I'll most likely not know it, unless it people like Spiderman, Thor, Cap America, Batman etc.

The Moon Knight comic I'm reading I often find myself searching google for the names that appear in the comic such as Nick Fury and Count Nefaria. Is this something you find yourself doing or do you just gradually start to remember them?
 
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