The more heroic versions of the character tend to be my favourite, but Ennis' tale is just so well told, it really is the pinnacle of Punisher stories and crime fiction in general.
Actually, the version we see now is pretty close to some of the 90s iterations of Frank if I'm remembering right.
Man, I hate that shit. Daredevil is the worst. He fucks Elektra, Black Widow, Typhoid Mary (I think?), all murderous people, but when Frank comes along, it's all "OH YOU'RE A MURDERER CATHOLIC GUILT I MUST STOP YOU!"
Fuck you, Murdoch.
To Spidey's credit, in Rucka's run, he convinced the Avengers to take Frank down and then Frank made them all his bitch.
I always thinks it completly unbelivable, when writer let guys like Spider-Man have Team Ups with Castle. The guy is a fucking mass murderer who should be thrown into the Raft.
Beside that, Ennis Welcome Back Frank was quite amazing.
Wolverine gets to team up with everybody, shit he's in the new Ms Marvel lol Let Frank have some of that limelight.
I love that he has a somewhat healthy relationship with Matt to the point where he actually gets himself incarcerated to help him. One of my favourite parts of that phenomenal Daredevil run.
Man, I hate that shit. Daredevil is the worst. He fucks Elektra, Black Widow, Typhoid Mary (I think?), all murderous people, but when Frank comes along, it's all "OH YOU'RE A MURDERER CATHOLIC GUILT I MUST STOP YOU!"
Man, I hate that shit. Daredevil is the worst. He fucks Elektra, Black Widow, Typhoid Mary (I think?), all murderous people, but when Frank comes along, it's all "OH YOU'RE A MURDERER CATHOLIC GUILT I MUST STOP YOU!"
Man this'd sound like Punisher fanboyism had I known any better. The only reason Frank takes down other heroes is because the author wrote it like that. Any other day, he'd be taken down hard.
Where do you guys go, when you want to check the content of Tradepaperbacks?
And in which Paperbacks certain Issues are collected? I am searching a long time for a website that helps me giving a overview about this, Amazon is not always reliable.
Man, I hate that shit. Daredevil is the worst. He fucks Elektra, Black Widow, Typhoid Mary (I think?), all murderous people, but when Frank comes along, it's all "OH YOU'RE A MURDERER CATHOLIC GUILT I MUST STOP YOU!"
Fuck you, Murdoch.
To Spidey's credit, in Rucka's run, he convinced the Avengers to take Frank down and then Frank made them all his bitch.
Where can I read this? Sounds interesting, even when its sounds like Frank is very overpowered, alone the thought is ridiciolus, that he could take out Thor...
Wolverine gets to team up with everybody, shit he's in the new Ms Marvel lol Let Frank have some of that limelight.
I love that he has a somewhat healthy relationship with Matt to the point where he actually gets himself incarcerated to help him. One of my favourite parts of that phenomenal Daredevil run.
Man, I hate that shit. Daredevil is the worst. He fucks Elektra, Black Widow, Typhoid Mary (I think?), all murderous people, but when Frank comes along, it's all "OH YOU'RE A MURDERER CATHOLIC GUILT I MUST STOP YOU!"
Fuck you, Murdoch.
To Spidey's credit, in Rucka's run, he convinced the Avengers to take Frank down and then Frank made them all his bitch.
There was a JL/Avengers crossover where the JL go the Marvel U. to find a mcaguffin or whatevs to save their universe. Bats and Plasticman arrive at a location where nearby Punisher is killing some goons.
Bats intervenes, and takes down Punisher off-panel
Wolverine gets to team up with everybody, shit he's in the new Ms Marvel lol Let Frank have some of that limelight.
I love that he has a somewhat healthy relationship with Matt to the point where he actually gets himself incarcerated to help him. One of my favourite parts of that phenomenal Daredevil run.
Actually, when DD and Frank have a friendly/complex/antagonistic relationship, that's fascinating, but very rarely done cause Murdoch is a prick. I think it would come down to, whereas Murdoch is trying to redeem Elektra and Black Widow with his penis, he tries to do so with Frank by pummeling and guilting him.
Douche. I actually think if they had a good relationship, it'd be fascinating.
Man this'd sound like Punisher fanboyism had I known any better. The only reason Frank takes down other heroes is because the author wrote it like that. Any other day, he'd be taken down hard.
That's the same for all characters, really. But I always love seeing Frank take down other heroes and remind them that they're lucky he only targets villains. That's why it always ticks me off that Frank can't go after supervillains cause really... he would kill them permanently.
Edmondson described Frank as the Reed Richards of tactics.
Where can I read this? Sounds interesting, even when its sounds like Frank is very overpowered, alone the thought is ridiciolus, that he could take out Thor...
It doesn't quite work out how you think cause it's really Frank being smart about it and exploiting the Avengers' weaknesses, not taking them directly head on. There's a great goal beyond kicking their asses.
Though Frank and Thor have a fantastic scene where they discuss the wreckage that is his life over beers.
Where do you guys go, when you want to check the content of Tradepaperbacks?
And in which Paperbacks certain Issues are collected? I am searching a long time for a website that helps me giving a overview about this, Amazon is not always reliable.
Instocktrades is usually pretty good at showing what issues a collection contains.
If IST doesn't show the contents, I'll go to Amazon and, if the description doesn't have the contents and there's no "Look Inside" feature to be able to see the actual table of contents, I'll read the reviews to see if some kind soul has listed the contents.
If all that fails, I do a quick google search and try my luck.
There was a JL/Avengers crossover where the JL go the Marvel U. to find a mcaguffin or whatevs to save their universe. Bats and Plasticman arrive at a location where nearby Punisher is killing some goons.
Bats intervenes, and takes down Punisher off-panel
Instocktrades is usually pretty good at showing what issues a collection contains.
If IST doesn't show the contents, I'll go to Amazon and, if the description doesn't have the contents and there's no "Look Inside" feature to be able to see the actual table of contents, I'll read the reviews to see if some kind soul has listed the contents.
If all that fails, I do a quick google search and try my luck.
Does Logan even have a tie in to Original Sin? surely everyone knows the fucked up shit he has done they just don't give a shit at this point. I mean they left him in charge of a school..
Actually, when DD and Frank have a friendly/complex/antagonistic relationship, that's fascinating, but very rarely done cause Murdoch is a prick. I think it would come down to, whereas Murdoch is trying to redeem Elektra and Black Widow with his penis, he tries to do so with Frank by pummeling and guilting him.
Douche. I actually think if they had a good relationship, it'd be fascinating.
I can't hate on Matty he's one of the best written heroes Marvel has. Even during the depressing as fuck Bendis and Brubaker runs i was rooting for him all the way. What you say though is why i cringe every time Logan and Scott share a scene together so i can see where you are coming from.
I can't hate on Matty he's one of the best written heroes Marvel has. Even during the depressing as fuck Bendis and Brubaker runs i was rooting for him all the way. What you say though is why i cringe every time Logan and Scott share a scene together so i can see where you are coming from.
Ha, I remember him being his lawyer in the PS2 game, but I don't remember any other time he was Frank's lawyer, but my memory's probably just spotty.
I have the first two Waid DD HC volumes sitting on my shelf, I really need to get to reading them. I've read a bit, and this version of DD seems fun and not douchey, but when it comes to Frank, Matt is such a prick.
That's the uninspired and lazy way out, any character, ANY CHARACTER can be written well and have a good story if the effort is put in.
...and just for you, let me give you the answer to why Punisher being in Gotham would still not fix it; he goes against this sick fucker
Actually, when DD and Frank have a friendly/complex/antagonistic relationship, that's fascinating, but very rarely done cause Murdoch is a prick. I think it would come down to, whereas Murdoch is trying to redeem Elektra and Black Widow with his penis, he tries to do so with Frank by pummeling and guilting him.
Douche. I actually think if they had a good relationship, it'd be fascinating.
Hey man Matt can't help his good looks, da ladies do whatevs for that prince.
...but Matt's attitude towards Frank is summed up with what he told Carol during the 3 issue crossover
Cole: "You know what gives me the strength? The loss. We're alike that way, I imagine. Admit it: nobody's who a stranger to that particular pain could ever be as driven as us."
Daredevil: "Never - don't you ever say that to me ever again. That is a repellent statement. It's a vomitous insult to every cop - every fireman - every soldier alive who steps up to fight for those who can't! I am sorry for your loss! But if you genuinely believe that only the death of a loved one can motivate a human being to take up a cause... then get your pathetic, cynical ass out of my way so I can do my job!"
Frank's got mojo, he's just too busy actually stopping crime, instead of being crime's whipping boy.
Oh sure like Daredevil and the other heroes don't stop crime, now you're really starting to sound like a Punisher fanboy
That's the same for all characters, really. But I always love seeing Frank take down other heroes and remind them that they're lucky he only targets villains. That's why it always ticks me off that Frank can't go after supervillains cause really... he would kill them permanently.
Eh that last thing applies to your first setence too.
The heroes don't need to be reminded that they're 'lucky', that's some lame lazy ass BS.
The writers will dumb down the heroes just to give Punisher the advantage he'd lack.
If a writer was smart he'd make Frank's advesary counter him with military-like tactics and go for outsmarting him.
It doesn't quite work out how you think cause it's really Frank being smart about it and exploiting the Avengers' weaknesses, not taking them directly head on. There's a great goal beyond kicking their asses.
Which sounds to me like a trouble child doing their level best so that the other kids leave him alone.
Sorry mate you're going into blind Punisher fanboyism here, I enjoy a good Punisher book but as a character? No matter how much characterization an author would give him, the next author would drop that.
As a character? Punisher/Frank isn't a good one, but as a 'drive' or a character whose actions affect others, yeah that can work, which reminds me of this gem from Ennis' run, showing how much of a broken and sad character Frank is. I don't remember the exact quote but it involved Frank somewhat envying policeman and those who do their jobs by the book, because he can't.
Another thing I wish authors would fucking wise up and do is stop comparing him to the other superheroes. It's shallow and uninspired, and can degrade those characters, simply because it doesn't look past that they are seen as 'super heroes' when they have lives, friends, family and wonderful characterization of their own.
The writers will dumb down the heroes just to give Punisher the advantage he'd lack.
If a writer was smart he'd make Frank's advesary counter him with military-like tactics and go for outsmarting him.
Sorry mate you're going into blind Punisher fanboyism here, I enjoy a good Punisher book but as a character? No matter how much characterization an author would give him, the next author would drop that.
As a character? Punisher/Frank isn't a good one, but as a 'drive' or a character whose actions affect others, yeah that can work, which reminds me of this gem from Ennis' run, showing how much of a broken and sad character Frank is. I don't remember the exact quote but it involved Frank somewhat envying policeman and those who do their jobs by the book, because he can't.
The thing about castle and superheroes is that neither side ever wants to fight. Most heroes prefer to ignore castle, and castle prefers to ignore most heroes, which is why these conflicts tend to go towards "flashbang and get the fuck out". Plus castle is made of meat, so they gotta take it easy on him anyway. It is why pete had to whine and lie to get the avengers to chase frank (plus ive no prob seeing castle handling natasha or clint, but that's just me).
As for military tactics, writers try that all the time to spice things up. Thing is, you're using military tactics against a guy that uses military tactics for 40+ years nearly every single day. Results should be obvious.
Closest he gets is telling a cop to not shoot him so he doesn't become like him. Best thing about the Ennis run, as far as punisher character development goes, was Barracuda, which was the happy mercenary take on castle.
The thing about castle and superheroes is that neither side ever wants to fight. Most heroes prefer to ignore castle, and castle prefers to ignore most heroes, which is why these conflicts tend to go towards "flashbang and get the fuck out". Plus castle is made of meat, so they gotta take it easy on him anyway. It is why pete had to whine and lie to get the avengers to chase frank (plus ive no prob seeing castle handling natasha or clint, but that's just me).
Good points, but know who else is made of meat? Batman, doesn't stop him from taking done aliens with matches.
As for military tactics, writers try that all the time to spice things up. Thing is, you're using military tactics against a guy that uses military tactics for 40+ years nearly every single day. Results should be obvious.
So why not have him go against a guy that uses military tactics for 40+ years too?
Bonus points for the opposition defeating frank
Closest he gets is telling a cop to not shoot him so he doesn't become like him. Best thing about the Ennis run, as far as punisher character development goes, was Barracuda, which was the happy mercenary take on castle.
That's the uninspired and lazy way out, any character, ANY CHARACTER can be written well and have a good story if the effort is put in.
...and just for you, let me give you the answer to why Punisher being in Gotham would still not fix it; he goes against this sick fucker
