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[Secret Fawful]

which one?

Godammit I meant Power Girl and I typed Supergirl.

 

[Anticitizen One]

it took them 3 or 4 years but that Kara did get better especially when she started hanging around Steph and Damien

I was long gone at that point. I just read the first 12 issues which was nothing but her making out with random guys, getting tats, and smoking cigarettes at the club

Godammit I meant Power Girl and I typed Supergirl.

yea 90s Power Girl was awesome

 

[GrandHarrier]

Just got my '89 through '99 era Legion of Super Hero comics. Man, just looking at the covers its amazing watching the generational shift of artwork.

 

[Secret Fawful]

Man, this new 52 Mad Hatter story in Batman: The Dark Knight is shaping up to be the ultimate suck. They are completely missing what to do with his character so far.

 

[Anticitizen One]

Man, this new 52 Mad Hatter story in Batman: The Dark Knight is shaping up to be the ultimate suck. They are completely missing what to do with his character so far.

its only 1 issue in isnt it?

 

[Secret Fawful]

its only 1 issue in isnt it?

It is, and I plan to keep going with it in case it picks up, and because I love the character, but so far the changes they've made and the tone they've take both feel unnecessary. I went into it expecting a different take on the character, and I'm completely fine with that. But it feels like they feel like they have to make him extreme and creepy and ultra-evil like Joker for people to like him or consider him a good villain, and it's all wrong to me. It's trying too hard.

Not to say it didn't have good parts...because it did.

Also, how many times do they need to write the scenario where Batman has a love interest who complains because he's out all the time or always getting hurt or is Batman and she's like "I can't take this anymore" and he's like "Okay".

 

[Acid08]

I like the Nu52 Supergirl look.

Same.

 

[Anticitizen One]

It is, and I plan to keep going with it in case it picks up, and because I love the character, but so far the changes they've made and the tone they've take both feel unnecessary. I went into it expecting a different take on the character, and I'm completely fine with that. But it feels like they feel like they have to make him extreme and creepy and ultra-evil like Joker for people to like him or consider him a good villain, and it's all wrong to me. It's trying too hard.

Not to say it didn't have good parts...because it did.

Also, how many times do they need to write the scenario where Batman has a love interest who complains because he's out all the time or always getting hurt or is Batman and she's like "I can't take this anymore" and he's like "Okay".

Im a big Mad Hatter fan too and i picked up the issue but haven't read it yet. At least I have Van Sciver's art to look forward too. How was that Bruce Jones OGN? I think it was called Through the looking glass?

 

[MartyStu]

I intend to have Captain Marvel as my next project. Any essentials?

 

[Anticitizen One]

I intend to have Captain Marvel as my next project. Any essentials?

Comics wise?

I recommend:

Also, Geoff Johns backup story in Justice League has been really intriguing so far.

 

[Acid08]

I intend to have Captain Marvel as my next project. Any essentials?

I liked the 2010? Ms. Marvel series.

Unless you're talking about a different Captain Marvel. Now that I think about it, you probably are.

 

[GrandHarrier]

I intend to have Captain Marvel as my next project. Any essentials?

Comics wise?

I recommend:

Also, Geoff Johns backup story in Justice League has been really intriguing so far.

I like your style.

 

[Anticitizen One]

I like your style.

 

[slightconfuse]

.

 

[MartyStu]

Damn, now I am doing it too.

Marvel's Captain Marvel.

DC's has not been very good in a good while

 

[Quake1028]

Holy crap, Injustice!

Also, did anyone read SNAPSHOT from this week?

 

[Anticitizen One]

It says essential storylines right at the bottom

 

[GrandHarrier]

Damn, now I am doing it too.

Marvel's Captain Marvel.

DC's has not been very good in a good while

Does Marvel's Captain Marvel have a dapper Tiger man as a friend?

Didn't think so.

 

[Vio-Lence]

i've been souring on Snyder's Batman. I think Death of the Family has been a bust. If it wasn't for GC killing it on the book, I'd probably have dropped it already. Only way to redeem the arc is have Batman kill Joker, but we know that ain't happening.

 

[Anticitizen One]

Liefeld was right when he accused Snyder of having too much control on the Batman books. They need to kick him off and put Morrison back as top dog. Just give him all 6 batman books to write

 

[Secret Fawful]

Im a big Mad Hatter fan too and i picked up the issue but haven't read it yet. At least I have Van Sciver's art to look forward too. How was that Bruce Jones OGN? I think it was called Through the looking glass?

It depends on how surreal you can allow for Batman to be, and how insane the artwork and such. The art is by Sam Kieth, and he's not exactly known for having a realistic style. It's incredibly wacko and cartoony, but I love it. Some people might take it as being rather poor at first glance. It's a bit in the same realm as Kelley Jones, except I don't care much for Kelley Jones' art. It's a very cartoony, caricature-ish take on Batman.

It's also extremely surreal, which is exactly what I personally think the Mad Hatter excels at. I like it quite a bit.

 

[GrandHarrier]

Liefeld was right when he accused Snyder of having too much control on the Batman books. They need to kick him off and put Morrison back as top dog. Just give him all 6 batman books to write

 

[bean breath]

i've been souring on Snyder's Batman. I think Death of the Family has been a bust. If it wasn't for GC killing it on the book, I'd probably have dropped it already. Only way to redeem the arc is have Batman kill Joker, but we know that ain't happening.

I dropped it when it moved to $4, lol.

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

Liefeld was right when he accused Snyder of having too much control on the Batman books. They need to kick him off and put Morrison back as top dog. Just give him all 6 batman books to write

They need to stop all these tie ins. Let the other books find their voice, so many of them lack purpose and direction. There is no fucking reason TT should be in this event.

 

[Secret Fawful]

They need to stop all these tie ins. Let the other books find their voice, so many of them lack purpose and direction. There is no fucking reason TT should be in this event.

Titans and Red Hood are the worst of the entire event, too. I still can't get over how terrible the writing on Starfire is.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Liefeld was right when he accused Snyder of having too much control on the Batman books. They need to kick him off and put Morrison back as top dog. Just give him all 6 batman books to write

Wait, what? Snyder is DC's new golden boy. They aren't going to kick him off of anything. Especially not Batman, which he's been rocking from the get-go.

 

[SoilBreak]

I intend to have Captain Marvel as my next project. Any essentials?

Jerry Ordway's Power of Shazam

 

[sazabirules]

Storm & Black Panther were together for a long time, and only recently split up. It was almost entirely for political reasons - the people of Wakanda hate the "X-Men" name because during AvX

Spoiler

Pheonix-Force powered Namor flooded Wakanda

and since Storm is associated with the X-Men, they had to split up.

Glad you enjoyed that BP story! How goes the rest of the Hickman prep reading?

I read Inhumans before I went to sleep last night. That was a really cool story. I wanted to see Black Bolt use his powers. :/

 

[Rastafarian42]

So I bought Secret Wars how is it ?

 

[Owzers]

Anyone read Fantastic Four #3 and like it? Didn't care for it at all really, only part i liked was

Spoiler

Ben diving from the ship to the planet.

 

[Troll]

Anyone read Fantastic Four #3 and like it? Didn't care for it at all really, only part i liked was

Spoiler

Ben diving from the ship to the planet.

I can't believe that the same guy writes Hawkeye and FF.

 

[Owzers]

I can't believe that the same guy writes Hawkeye and FF.

That was definitely my thoughts after reading #2. After reading #3 the humor in it is gone

 

[B-Dubs]

I can't believe that the same guy writes Hawkeye and FF.

You can't get a winner every time I suppose.

 

[Anticitizen One]

Fantastic Four got a serious drop in quality when Hickman left. At least FF is still good

 

[The Living Tribunal]

So I bought Secret Wars how is it ?

I thought it was great, one of the best cosmic story arcs ever put out.

 

[Dan]

Liefeld was right when he accused Snyder of having too much control on the Batman books. They need to kick him off and put Morrison back as top dog. Just give him all 6 batman books to write

Does Snyder really have control? Is he the one making other writers do tie-ins? He certainly goes out of his way in interviews to say that the books can decide on their own whether to connect with his stuff. If there's any pressure to tie into his stories, I highly doubt it's coming from Snyder.

 

[B-Dubs]

Does Snyder really have control? Is he the one making other writers do tie-ins? He certainly goes out of his way in interviews to say that the books can decide on their own whether to connect with his stuff. If there's any pressure to tie into his stories, I highly doubt it's coming from Snyder.

I feel like he may have forced Nightwing to tie into the Owls story line, but mostly because of the reveal about the circus and it's plans for Dick. That said it was a really good arc and Night of the Gray Son was the best tie in. Other than that I doubt he really got on anyone's case. Gail was going to do a Joker story at some point, it's Barbra Gordon so it would have been unavoidable with the character arc she's been on. So yea you're probably right about editorial, DC's editorial has been pretty heavy handed from what we've seen so I wouldn't be shocked if it were them.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

Does Snyder really have control? Is he the one making other writers do tie-ins? He certainly goes out of his way in interviews to say that the books can decide on their own whether to connect with his stuff. If there's any pressure to tie into his stories, I highly doubt it's coming from Snyder.

It's not coming from Snyder, but... If you're the writer of a Bat-family title with the opportunity to be part of an event that the #1 best-selling book in the company is doing, and you say "no thanks I wanna do my own thing," odds are probably high that your editor is going to have words with you and that you may not be writing that book for much longer. So I imagine the other Bat-writers are under a lot of pressure to be "team players" even if they don't like what Snyder's doing.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

nowhere as good as dc vs marvel? are you serious? the best thing to come from dc vs marvel was amalgam

seriously DC vs Marvel was horrible, the only clear cut fight that made sense was Flash vs Quicksilver. Storm one shot wonder woman *after she drops thors hammer ya dumbass*, bats beat cap with an assist from a sewer drain *lol wtf*, aquaman beat namor with a killer whale..., and of course Wolverine beat Lobo...in a close quarters grappling fight? Only way wolverine wins is with a decapitation or Lobo loses limbs, and that just delays him coming back. On the damn page Lobo has a hold of wolverines arm , that should be a one hit KO from that point like when the hulk busts wolvies face.

The best part was when Wolverine and Gambit stole the bat mobile.

JLA vs Avengers was solid stuff.

 

[EleventhDoctor]

So...my 4 1/2 year old daughter is showing an interest in comics, thanks to the My Little Pony comic. I read X-Babies vs A-Babies to her tonight and she loved it. I'm not sure where to move to next though, as most comics are mature nowadays-but she defnetly seems to like superheroes.

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

Kirkman is killing it on Super Dinosaur. And please. Please Bob Harras, make Dollar Bill an o going to replace Sword of Sorcery. His story needs to be told.

 

[fredrancour]

So...my 4 1/2 year old daughter is showing an interest in comics, thanks to the My Little Pony comic. I read X-Babies vs A-Babies to her tonight and she loved it. I'm not sure where to move to next though, as most comics are mature nowadays-but she defnetly seems to like superheroes.

Tiny titans. Superman Family Adventures.

I don't know what age range Bone is intended for, but it seems like everybody around my age read it as children but me. Might want to look into it.

 

[B-Dubs]

So...my 4 1/2 year old daughter is showing an interest in comics, thanks to the My Little Pony comic. I read X-Babies vs A-Babies to her tonight and she loved it. I'm not sure where to move to next though, as most comics are mature nowadays-but she defnetly seems to like superheroes.

There are some books like the Ultimate Spider-man comic (it's based off the TV show) but that might be for someone a little older. You could print out the JL8 pages and use those (or read them from an i-pad) those are just plain fun.

 

[slightconfuse]

Bendis did an all ages comic called TAKIO, it was co written by his daughter

 

[Anticitizen One]

seriously DC vs Marvel was horrible, the only clear cut fight that made sense was Flash vs Quicksilver. Storm one shot wonder woman *after she drops thors hammer ya dumbass*, bats beat cap with an assist from a sewer drain *lol wtf*, aquaman beat namor with a killer whale..., and of course Wolverine beat Lobo...in a close quarters grappling fight? Only way wolverine wins is with a decapitation or Lobo loses limbs, and that just delays him coming back. On the damn page Lobo has a hold of wolverines arm , that should be a one hit KO from that point like when the hulk busts wolvies face.

The best part was when Wolverine and Gambit stole the bat mobile.

JLA vs Avengers was solid stuff.

Sure if you like to be bored. I agree some of the fights had shitty outcomes but that was partly due to fan influence and in those days there was no internet so nobody could research the characters they just voted on who they knew or who seemed cooler. It's a far more entertaining series than JLA/Avengers where nothing fucking happens. There were so many cool scenes in DC vs Marvel like Ben Reiley hitting on Lois Lane, Amaglam merger, Robin and Jubilee, etc. JLA/Avengers lacked any of that stuff that made the 90s event so fun.

hmm apperantly there was a spinoff miniseries that I didn't read:

 

[Spike Spiegel]

So...my 4 1/2 year old daughter is showing an interest in comics, thanks to the My Little Pony comic. I read X-Babies vs A-Babies to her tonight and she loved it. I'm not sure where to move to next though, as most comics are mature nowadays-but she defnetly seems to like superheroes.

Strictly from the Big Two, Marvel and DC both have sites that let you read some of their kids' comics for free; if she goes for any of those, you can dig deeper for back-issues through ComiXology if they're available. As for specific recommendations... From DC, I'd suggest Tiny Titans and Superman Family Adventures, but if she finds those too "baby-ish" then check into the books based on their animated shows: Batman Adventures, Superman Adventures, Justice League Adventures/Unlimited, Teen Titans Go!, Batman: The Brave and the Bold, Young Justice, and Green Lantern: The Animated Series. They're great for all-ages reading, and fun for adults if you're a fan of the cartoons as well. With Marvel, it's a no-brainer -- the whole point of the "Marvel Adventures" line is to create all-ages reading material for the young masses, so pick one and you're set. I'd look into the newer Power Pack books as well; they're well illustrated, and the child protagonists should be easy for her to identify with.

Marvel - http://marvelkids.marvel.com/comics
DC - http://dcnationcomics.kidswb.com/

EDIT: Oh! And the Mini Marvels series of comics by Chris Giarrusso. He also has his own kid superhero book called G-Man, that sometimes publishes at Image.

 

[Owzers]

I started Change #2 and remembered that i didn't understand Change #1.


Needless to say i did not understand Change #2 either.

 

[Dan]

I feel like he may have forced Nightwing to tie into the Owls story line, but mostly because of the reveal about the circus and it's plans for Dick. That said it was a really good arc and Night of the Gray Son was the best tie in.

I don't think that's the case.

Both you and Scott have been saying that the plan was to have characters cross over between your books -- was that always going to be the "Night Of The Owls?"

Yeah, I've known what Scott has been planning for over a year now. He first pitched me the Owl story when I was writing the Nightrunner backups and had just started at DC. With that in mind, I structured "Nightwing" in a very specific way that ties into those plans. Scott has a great affinity for Dick Grayson, having written him for a year in "Detective," so it's all been quite natural. I don't want anyone to think this was just thrown together; this was very meticulously put together and planned out. I'm very excited to see what people think by the end of issue #7!

It's not coming from Snyder, but... If you're the writer of a Bat-family title with the opportunity to be part of an event that the #1 best-selling book in the company is doing, and you say "no thanks I wanna do my own thing," odds are probably high that your editor is going to have words with you and that you may not be writing that book for much longer. So I imagine the other Bat-writers are under a lot of pressure to be "team players" even if they don't like what Snyder's doing.

Right. I have little doubt that their editors 'suggest' ways for the other books to intersect with Snyder's stories. And if tie-ins do indeed produce an uptick in sales, there will always be the background threat that if you don't do it, DC might swap you for another writer who might be more amenable to those suggestions. I just don't think it's fair to blame Snyder.

 

[slightconfuse]

Id be remiss if i did not recomend the best THor book marvel ever produced

THOR: the Mighty Avenger

Shame Marvel never let them get the final 4 issue out, this series was awesome

 

[B-Dubs]

I don't think that's the case.





Right. I have little doubt that their editors 'suggest' ways for the other books to intersect with Snyder's stories. And if tie-ins do indeed produce an uptick in sales, there will always be the background threat that if you don't do it, DC might swap you for another writer who might be more amenable to those suggestions. I just don't think it's fair to blame Snyder.

I haven't seen that interview. Either way Nightwing is quality stuff.