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COMICS! |OT| May 2015. Those things your favorite movie/show/game/etc. was based on.
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TetraxShards
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For someone who really loves superheroes, Mark Waid's pretty good at twisted versions of them between Empire and Irredeemable. I subbed to Thrillbent to get a digital copy of Empire last year, it's really good. Not quite as good as Irredeemable but I liked it all the same.
Stay safe, Messi. Don't die in a ratty A&E.
Stay safe, Messi. Don't die in a ratty A&E.
Ok, I have a question for you all. Because this seems most relevant to you and your interests.
I read comic books especially super hero books, i read a lot of them, i love em. Complain about em, but uh I understand my hobby was male oriented for a good minute and in many ways still is.
So when i hear, very late mind you , that dc is pushing some media towards women and female super heroes, I understand. Except for one part, harley quinn.
Does that feel disingenuous at all? A character they are willing to throw right back under the domestic abuse bus, when joker wants to come back, being pushed as some type of I don't know cool bad guy for this media thing?
Is this just me, am i just weird?
It just seems really weird.
I read comic books especially super hero books, i read a lot of them, i love em. Complain about em, but uh I understand my hobby was male oriented for a good minute and in many ways still is.
So when i hear, very late mind you , that dc is pushing some media towards women and female super heroes, I understand. Except for one part, harley quinn.
Does that feel disingenuous at all? A character they are willing to throw right back under the domestic abuse bus, when joker wants to come back, being pushed as some type of I don't know cool bad guy for this media thing?
Is this just me, am i just weird?
It just seems really weird.
TetraxShards
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Harley just appeals to a lot of the women who would be comic readers, it's that simple. I haven't been to a con in two years, but here in Ireland at least, a good 85% of the cosplayers that were there were Harleys of some description, including two of my friends. Seriously, the cosplay parade was 17 Harleys, two Power Rangers and an Iron Man.
Freezasaurus
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Someone should do an Iron Quinn costume.
But when you get them in, and then they see their character thrown under the joker bus , in arguably the worst ways possible willing subjecting themselves to domestic abuse. Then what?
Like, dc if I feel if they wanna push harley as that, need to commit to the bit and separate them. At least that show i feel
Like, dc if I feel if they wanna push harley as that, need to commit to the bit and separate them. At least that show i feel
GrandHarrier
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First: All the major comic companies are pushing for female inclusiveness so it's not really a thing limited to one particular company.
Second: You can't really start picking apart characters like that and expect them to stand under scrutiny. Alot of "dumb" shit happened in the past or is just part of comic books and you accept it and move on. You aren't going to have Marvel talk about the time that the Avengers didn't do anything when Captain Marvel was mind controlled and raped by her son? from the future. By the same token you aren't going to see DC dissect the problems with the Joker/Harley relationship. We all know it's not healthy but it's comic books, and to be honest, they've been moving her away from that for a long time such that she is more or less her own character now.
Harley's solo book has completely seperated her from the domestic abuse angle.
and last time Joker showed up in a book with Harley he and her fought against each other toe to toe.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Sometimes I wish when you drop a car payment at IST they would speed up your order.....
TetraxShards
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I actually googled this, and am surprised it's not a thing. Someone needs to get on that. Bonus points if she has a goofy mustache under the helmet.
TheDarkKnight774
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That was me. It's been ages since I've read it. I'll be curious how it holds up but I remember really enjoying it.
BKatastrophe
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It depends. In the New 52 Suicide Squad, she basically tells Joker that he can fuck right off. So, she's pretty much getting over Joker as the New 52 has gone on, but the reason she is who she is now is because of him. So, as abusive as the relationship is, it's still a strong bond. No matter how fucked up it is.
Harley's also always been a bit off her rocker. The thing is, I don't think she's ever been portrayed as a sadist. Yes, she's violent and lighthearted about it, but I never got sadist out of her. She does what she wants to do. I don't really know if it's wrong to push Harley, because I think now more than ever, she's pushed as a strong, independent female character. The recent Conversion event should be indicative of that,
she goes through rehab and becomes mentally healthy through her own sheer willpower since she clearly doesn't want to be this crazy psycho anymore. She's willing to go there if need be, though.
I dunno. I think Harley is a positive character in more ways than she is negative. She gets over an abusive relationship, she's strong, she owns her sexuality. Plus, she's fun and lighthearted, even about the dark stuff. She doesn't play up the "broken woman that wants to feel better" angle that happens constantly. She just gets up and does what she wants. She's had a dark past, so shit's going to happen, but she's ultimately not some "broken woman looking for comfort" that always gets played constantly (not to say there's anything wrong with the trope, it just happens way too often).
Then again, I'm not a female, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
TetraxShards
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Still better than most of the Arkham costumes, TBH.
Tyrant Rave
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Harley has always been a popular character so they're going to push her no matter what. Even on tumblr, which everyone loves to focus on in these kinds of discussions, she has an enormous fanbase.
And like Messi said, her solo book doesn't mention the domestic abuse stuff.
And like Messi said, her solo book doesn't mention the domestic abuse stuff.
Freezasaurus
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I really did like Harley's costume in the first Arkham game.
Unsurprising you thought that with Jessica Nigri, as much as I love her sometimes there is too much.
ElBoxyBrown
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As years go by there's gonna be more fans of Arkham Harley then cartoon Harley.
I am going
This is your superhero origin story.
TetraxShards
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I found a grey hair in my beard this morning, and now I see this. I've never felt so old.
ElBoxyBrown
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No! I can't be avatar quoted yet. I'm still testing some stuff.
Also look at how Harley has been moving away from her cartoon look.
BKatastrophe
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We'll see when the Suicide Squad movie comes out
Freezasaurus
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Sibersk Esto
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I feel less of a fan of how Harley is portrayed nowadays. I mean I honestly never really cared about her too strongly but with the added exposure she's had lately she feels more sexualized.
Something about her appearance in Suicide Squad, with shorts so high Robbie's ass cheeks are literally sticking out rubs me the wrong way.
Something about her appearance in Suicide Squad, with shorts so high Robbie's ass cheeks are literally sticking out rubs me the wrong way.
slightconfuse
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Re-read secret wars, the punshier scene was perfect.
Do wonder how THANOS will play into this
Do wonder how THANOS will play into this
Me too.
Never too much boobs.
Nigri testes this notion.
Freezasaurus
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GrandHarrier
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W... wut.
Tyrant Rave
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don't do this
BKatastrophe
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She's playful and she likes to mess around with people. She's just playing the game, bruh.
TetraxShards
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i agree, DC has perhaps the strongest female comic characters in their stable w/ WW & SG and to see editorial buckle under the neckbeard sales pressure and push Harley is sort of embarassing
Freezasaurus
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People like girly hijinks. DC doesn't care if it's neckbeards or women buying the books, they'll try to appease whichever audience is the largest source of income.
Nothing to do with the large female following she has?
DC would be stupid to turn their backs on 70,000 people who want to buy an issue or two per month.
SpiderJerusalem
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I think Harley is pretty cool. I think I identify with her in a way actually. I think. Sort of. Its fucked up. And i never noticed. Until someone pointed it out.
Schweinehund
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What are some good horror comics (besides walking dead, new52 animal man)?
I can't get this monkey king from swamp thing out of my head and I need some more well written horror.
I can't get this monkey king from swamp thing out of my head and I need some more well written horror.
Freezasaurus
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Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, Wytches, Afterlife with Archie.
slightconfuse
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Xombi by John rozum and Frazier Irving
Schweinehund
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Nice I remember someone mentioning that was by Scott Snyder. I'll definitely check that out soon.
Thank you, I'll check out all the ones mentioned.
Coriolanus
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Very well. Gets a bit boring sometimes, but i couldn't hep but empathise with Golgoth. Heavy is the crown and all.
Quite nice to see a villain taking the hardest choice correctly. At the end, the writer managed to truly set Golgoth apart from Vic.
Empire v1 finished. Onwards to v2.
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Aaaaand v2 Golgoth veers straight into Evil Stupid territory. Sigh.
BKatastrophe
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Locke and Key
Locke and Key and American Vampire
Freezasaurus
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I never really considered Locke & Key to be horror for some reason, but yeah, it could certainly fit in there.
BKatastrophe
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It leans more horror fantasy than straight horror, but it's definitely got horror elements at the very least
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