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[Afrodium]

I can defend this pretty easy actually. Theres not really any reason for there to be additional panels. The body language isn't going to change from bubble to bubble and additional paneling is unlikely to execute the story any better. Bendis also tends to make it easy on his artist from time to time. You might look at this and say fuck why is there is so many bubbles per panel? but taking it easy panel wise on artists is one way to let them consistently bring it as best they can.

That being said, that approach has been ineffective several times before but its fine here. Theres no rules when it comes to the number of bubbles per panel. Its all about the flow of conversation that should dictate panels. The tone of the dialogue is pretty consistent through out those two panels. No need for change imo

Nah, the solution is to cut out the fat and not have a ton of superfluous dialogue. The book has two entire pages devoted to an image of Stark sitting on the floor, and the only reason these have to be full page panels is because Bendis just had to include pointless asides about how Tony doesn't like tea but will have some anyway and make jokes about how he easily cracked the security panel.

 

[Poodlestrike]

So can one of you fellows help me with DC Final Crisis & Infinite Crisis? What's the difference between them and what are they about? Are they any good? Thanks in advance.

Two totally different events. Infinite Crisis is when the multiverse was reintroduced to the DCU, Final Crisis was a Morrison joint that... needs to be read to be believed.

 

[BrightLightLava]

Ghuus. Always Ghuus.

If they kill Ghüs, I'm out for sure.

I don't feel like that many of the good characters have been killed off on either one.

I guess I liked

Spoiler

The Stalk and the Brand

more than most. Those are Saga people in the spoilers. I don't know why but I tend to care more about side characters than the main ones.


Oh, and based on people's posts, I also picked up the first deluxe volume of Fatale. I can't wait to read all about the wacky high jinks of this nudist lady and her octopus boyfriend.

 

[thehypocrite]

Two totally different events. Infinite Crisis is when the multiverse was reintroduced to the DCU, Final Crisis was a Morrison joint that... needs to be read to be believed.

I see. Are they any good?

 

[Tragicomedy]

On the question of Final Crisis: I just finished it as part of my complete Morrison Batman read. Not directly related, but same author, same time frame.

It's absolutely terrible. Pure garbage. I rank it lower than most of the awful Marvel events I read last year. It's worse than Avenger vs. X-Men, for instance.

The rest of the Batman run has been ace. Phenomenal storytelling. A few unfortunate Quitely issues, but it's a very creative story.

 

[VanWinkle]

pretty satisfied with hamilton books. not only for getting me One Million omni and Absolute Final Crisis for 30 bucks each, but for packaging like they gave a shit.



did not expect FC to look like that. quite a big book.

i have been omnibus'd

Yup, I just opened my books from them (Teen Titans by Geoff Johns omni and Absolute Final Crisis) and I was really impressed with the packaging.

Also my first Absolute. Daaang, these things are impressive.

 

[Vyer]

So can one of you fellows help me with DC Final Crisis & Infinite Crisis? What's the difference between them and what are they about? Are they any good? Thanks in advance.

I like them both, though Final Crisis is much more ambitious and as a result can be a little scattered if you aren't reading it all collected.

Infinite Crisis is a more straightforward superhero event comic. Basically follows up on the original Crisis from way back. Bringing back some of the alternate Earth characters (like earlier versions of Superman and Superboy) that existed before the multiple universes were collapsed into one and what they do to try and bring a multiverse back. It's got some nice connections to pre Crisis DC comics and its characters and in my opinion has a really awesome idea for the main villain.

Final Crisis comes later, and is a Grant Morrison guided take on superhero event comics, which means it can dip into the more abstract and batshit crazy at times. But it's also pretty wild. Instead of trying to summarize I'll just give you an example and post the opening paragraph of the wiki entry:

Following the final battle of the New Gods, the spirit of the lord of evil, Darkseid, tumbles through time itself, coming to rest on Earth, where it, along with the spirits of the other evil gods of Apokolips, manifests itself in the body of a human being. Darkseid's "fall" has sundered reality, creating a singularity at the heart of creation, into which all of space and time are slowly being drawn, setting the stage for the evil god's final victory, to be claimed in his inevitable death. Through his agent Libra, he arranges for a huge army of super villains to be gathered, who capture and murder the Martian Manhunter as the opening salvo of the conflict. Coinciding with the Manhunter's death is the arrival on Earth of Nix Uotan, an exiled member of the cosmic Monitors, who has been sentenced to become human as punishment for failure in his duties.

and that's just the setup: shit goes off the rails from there. I suggest you read it all collected as much as you can.

Yup, I just opened my books from them (Teen Titans by Geoff Johns omni and Absolute Final Crisis) and I was really impressed with the packaging.

Also my first Absolute. Daaang, these things are impressive.

yeah, mine too. first omnibus too.

surely this won't lead to me blowing money on more tho. surely not

nope

 

[my name is ed]

Nah, the solution is to cut out the fat and not have a ton of superfluous dialogue. The book has two entire pages devoted to an image of Stark sitting on the floor, and the only reason these have to be full page panels is because Bendis just had to include pointless asides about how Tony doesn't like tea but will have some anyway and make jokes about how he easily cracked the security panel.

Nah, you're saying a lot of the dialogue in those panels is unnecessary but they're just part of the tone and reflect the relationship the two have. 'Extraneous' dialogue is fine if its revealing character. Given thats a large part of the appeal for a lot of people that read the book, its hardly a writing sin. In addition, people are generally more satisfied with a book if there is a higher dialogue and panel density.

 

[TheFlow]

What is Hamilton?

 

[thehypocrite]

On the question of Final Crisis: I just finished it as part of my complete Morrison Batman read. Not directly related, but same author, same time frame.

It's absolutely terrible. Pure garbage. I rank it lower than most of the awful Marvel events I read last year. It's worse than Avenger vs. X-Men, for instance.

The rest of the Batman run has been ace. Phenomenal storytelling. A few unfortunate Quitely issues, but it's a very creative story.

I see. Thanks for sharing your opinion.

I like them both, though Final Crisis is much more ambitious and as a result can be a little scattered if you aren't reading it all collected.

Infinite Crisis is a more straightforward superhero event comic. Basically follows up on the original Crisis from way back. Bringing back some of the alternate Earth characters (like earlier versions of Superman and Superboy) that existed before the multiple universes were collapsed into one and what they do to try and bring a multiverse back. It's got some nice connections to pre Crisis DC comics and its characters and in my opinion has a really awesome idea for the main villain.

Final Crisis comes later, and is a Grant Morrison guided take on superhero event comics, which means it can dip into the more abstract and batshit crazy at times. But it's also pretty wild. Instead of trying to summarize I'll just give you an example and post the opening paragraph of the wiki entry:



and that's just the setup: shit goes off the rails from there. I suggest you read it all collected as much as you can.

Understood. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try to aproach it that way.

 

[Tragicomedy]

I see thanks for sharing your opinion.

In fairness, I came into the story cold, directly from Morrison's Batman run. I had no other lead up to the first book, so it was a jarring mess. I'm sure there's a proper build to the event that makes it more palatable.

 

[Vyer]

What is Hamilton?

hamiltonbook.com

I'd never heard of them but somebody posted here (i apologize because I forget who. maybe whatsinaname?) that they had some omni's/absolutes for $30 so I gave it a shot.


now currently eyeing that Absolute Sinestro Corps War


edit:

In fairness, I came into the story cold, directly from Morrison's Batman run. I had no other lead up to the first book, so it was a jarring mess. I'm sure there's a proper build to the event that makes it more palatable.

iirc I came into it much the same way back then and it was super hard to pull together and felt very scattered during my initial read. wasn't until I reread it all at once (mostly) later than it clicked better for me.

 

[Ashby]

Yup, I just opened my books from them (Teen Titans by Geoff Johns omni and Absolute Final Crisis) and I was really impressed with the packaging.

Also my first Absolute. Daaang, these things are impressive.

Thanks for letting me know that this exists!

 

[VanWinkle]

Thanks for letting me know that this exists!

No problem! It's absolutely MASSIVE, too. I think it's the second biggest omnibus in existence, after Inivisibles.

 

[TheFlow]

No problem! It's absolutely MASSIVE, too. I think it's the second biggest omnibus in existence, after Inivisibles.

Looks like it is sin city size but that is a very tempting omnibus for 50 bucks

 

[echoshifting]

Rat Queens is basically done, right? Issue 17 is the one on indefinite hold?

 

[Messi]

Rat Queens is basically done, right? Issue 17 is the one on indefinite hold?

Yep 'hiatus' lol

 

[echoshifting]

Yep 'hiatus' lol

Well that sucks. 16 doesn't really work at all as a final issue. Oh well.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Well that sucks. 16 doesn't really work at all as a final issue. Oh well.

Everyone already lost interest, though. Including the writer.

 

[Schweinehund]

So can one of you fellows help me with DC Final Crisis & Infinite Crisis? What's the difference between them and what are they about? Are they any good? Thanks in advance.

Infinite Crisis was about putting the heroes through the darkest days, falling apart and coming back together to overcome. It's a period of DC where the books where the most closely connected, and imo, the best period of cape side DC in terms of cohesive story telling. Most of it was orchestrated by Geoff Johns, with his books tying into the story elements. It's not just Infinite Crisis, but it starts with Identity Crisis and plot threads run throughout the other books. The main plot thread is something like:

Tower of Babel (kind of lays the seeds for the rift between Batman and the JL) -> Identity Crisis -> Four books / Superman Sacrifice -> Crisis of Conscience -> Infinite Crisis -> Four Book specials -> 52 -> One Year Later

The four books were Omac project, Day of Vengeance, Rann Thanagar and Villains United. The OMAC TP contains the essential elements of Superman Sacrifice, so it's really the only necessary one. Villain's united is a solid read though, and I liked DoV, if only for Captain Marvel & The Spectre. RT is skippable and even contradicts somethings.

Anyway that's the main plot thread. There were issues of Geoff John's Flash that tied into Identity Crisis and almost all the main line books had something to do with what was going on during Infinite Crisis. Geoff John's JSA also ties heavily into Infinite Crisis and 52 as well, mostly setting up Black Adam's story.

Final Crisis was a lot less tie in heavy and is all collected together in the New TP. It's not as clear cut in it's messaging and YMMV with what you take out of it. It's very symbolic and I think the Superman Beyond part was the best part. The event itself is confusing and the weekly lead in did little to help.

Anyways, read 52 above all else.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Time for list!

Art of Uncharted 4 A Thief's End
Shutter #21
Black Panther #2
Gwenpool #2
Powers #6
Ultimates #7
Vision #7

 

[Owzers]

I've played Overwatch a bunch today and still don't have a favorite character. Maybe Zenyatta, i can heal a little and get some kills, Mercy feels too defenseless. I can't aim at all, i can barely read a comic.

I do get tired of these kinds of games though, the game sessions all blend together.

edit: Is there a way to spawn closer to party members? Walking back to places is terrible...i know one character can revive and another can use their special ability to summon a spawn portal, is that it?

 

[Freezasaurus]

I've played Overwatch a bunch today and still don't have a favorite character. Maybe Zenyatta, i can heal a little and get some kills, Mercy feels too defenseless. I can't aim at all, i can barely read a comic.

I have a few characters I like, but there are some glaring problems with the game, like the ease with which the escort team spawn room can be camped on the Route 66 map. I expect things like this given that Blizzard has no experience with shooters, but still.

 

[echoshifting]

List, It's Too Early for Lists Edition

House of Penance 2

Batman 52

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 58

The Fix 2
Southern Bastards 14

All-New All-Different Avengers 9
All-New X-Men 9
Black Panther 2
Darth Vader 20
Guardians of Infinity 6
Guardians of the Galaxy 8
Gwenpool 2
Silk 8
The Ultimates 7
Uncanny Inhumans 8
Venom Space Knight 7
Vision 7

 

[TropicalFish]

Do we ever know why Scarlet Witch's 'No More Mutants' didn't wipe out everyone's abilities? Like an in-universe reason?

 

[mreddie]

Do we ever know why Scarlet Witch's 'No More Mutants' didn't wipe out everyone's abilities? Like an in-universe reason?

It was aimed at mutants, there's a What If about her saying no more powers.

 

[echoshifting]

Do we ever know why Scarlet Witch's 'No More Mutants' didn't wipe out everyone's abilities? Like an in-universe reason?

There are a few lame fan theories floating around, but none of them hold water. It's never been properly explained.

It was aimed at mutants, there's a What If about her saying no more powers.

I think tropicalfish is talking about the 198 mutants who retained their powers, not all metahumans

 

[Freezasaurus]

Do we ever know why Scarlet Witch's 'No More Mutants' didn't wipe out everyone's abilities? Like an in-universe reason?

There are a few lame fan theories floating around, but none of them hold water. It's never been properly explained.

My guess is that it has something to do with the unpredictability of Wanda's powers. Something she shares with Black Cat in terms of probability manipulation.

 

[mreddie]

There are a few lame fan theories floating around, but none of them hold water. It's never been properly explained.



I think tropicalfish is talking about the 198 mutants who retained their powers, not all metahumans

I assume she played favorites

 

[Serpentine]

House of Penance #2
Constantine The Hellblazer #12 (RIP)
The Fix #2
Black Panther #2

 

[TropicalFish]

There are a few lame fan theories floating around, but none of them hold water. It's never been properly explained.

Oh. Ah well, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it lol. I enjoyed House of M nonetheless.

I think tropicalfish is talking about the 198 mutants who retained their powers, not all metahumans

Yeah, sorry I wasn't specific enough haha.

 

[echoshifting]

Man, I am really digging Moon Knight. Great book. Can't wait for the next issue.

Punisher sucked. Dropped in 1.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

American Monster #3
Archie #8
MMPR #3
Action Comics #52
Batman #52
Batman/TMNT #6
Fix #2
Southern Bastards #14
ANAD Avengers #9
Black Panther #2
Silk #8
Ultimates #7
4001 AD XO Manowar #1
A&A #3
Ninjak #15

 

[Tyrant Rave]

Gotham Academy #18
Starfire #12
Fix #2
Island #7
Vision #7

If it's out on Comixology I'll get Heavy Metal #280 too

 

[thehypocrite]

Infinite Crisis was about putting the heroes through the darkest days, falling apart and coming back together to overcome. It's a period of DC where the books where the most closely connected, and imo, the best period of cape side DC in terms of cohesive story telling. Most of it was orchestrated by Geoff Johns, with his books tying into the story elements. It's not just Infinite Crisis, but it starts with Identity Crisis and plot threads run throughout the other books. The main plot thread is something like:

Tower of Babel (kind of lays the seeds for the rift between Batman and the JL) -> Identity Crisis -> Four books / Superman Sacrifice -> Crisis of Conscience -> Infinite Crisis -> Four Book specials -> 52 -> One Year Later

The four books were Omac project, Day of Vengeance, Rann Thanagar and Villains United. The OMAC TP contains the essential elements of Superman Sacrifice, so it's really the only necessary one. Villain's united is a solid read though, and I liked DoV, if only for Captain Marvel & The Spectre. RT is skippable and even contradicts somethings.

Anyway that's the main plot thread. There were issues of Geoff John's Flash that tied into Identity Crisis and almost all the main line books had something to do with what was going on during Infinite Crisis. Geoff John's JSA also ties heavily into Infinite Crisis and 52 as well, mostly setting up Black Adam's story.

Final Crisis was a lot less tie in heavy and is all collected together in the New TP. It's not as clear cut in it's messaging and YMMV with what you take out of it. It's very symbolic and I think the Superman Beyond part was the best part. The event itself is confusing and the weekly lead in did little to help.

Anyways, read 52 above all else.

Thanks for the reading guide, much appreciated.

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

Finally catching up to ANAD on MU. Iron Man ain't bad so far but then I hit pages like this and remember it's a Bendis book



48 bubbles. 2 panels.

What is this shit?

 

[BrightLightLava]

Archie 8
Batman 52? (Don't really see why this exists)
Fix 2
Black Panther 2
Ultimates 7
Vision 7

If it's out on Comixology I'll get Heavy Metal #280 too

Is that the first Morrison one?

 

[echoshifting]

Just read Rocket Raccoon and Groot 5 and Scarlet Witch 6, and I'm dropping them both. Scarlet Witch 6 was especially bad, RR & G has just never taken off in five issues so it's time to go. Gotta make room in my pull list for Civil War II and Rebirth stuff.

 

[VanWinkle]

Oh wow. For some reason I assumed the Teen Titans Geoff Johns omni art was older style like his early Wally West Flash and Hawkman stuff. I really don't know anything about it so I didn't even know when the run took place. Anyway, flipping through it, the art is amazing!

 

[Brian Fellows]

I guess I liked

Spoiler

The Stalk and the Brand

more than most.

The former creeped the fuck out. I liked the latter too though.

I'm just very rarely bothered by deaths in books or television.

 

[Nudull]

ANAD Avengers #9
Black Panther #2
Darth Vader #20
Venom: Space Knight #7
Vision #7
Archie #8
Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers #3
Doctor Who: Twelfth Doctor Year Two #5
My Little Pony FiM #42
Star Trek #57
Sonic the Hedgehog #281

 

[echoshifting]

Guys it's VISION WEEK

How excited are you on a scale of 10 to 11

 

[Freezasaurus]

How excited are you on a scale of 10 to 11

A solid 10¾.

 

[Brian Fellows]

Short list to for me but I'm really looking forward to all 3.

The Fix #2
Shutter #21
Southern Bastards #14

 

[BKatastrophe]

The Legend of Korra FCBD
Very cute backstory. Adorable. Recommended to everyone who likes the show.

Attack on Titan Anthology FCBD
Some cool stories in this obvious preview. The DemonCon one was fucking weird, though. The one with the old couple seems like the coolest one. I'll buy the full release. Maybe. I don't really care about AoT

All-New X-Men Annual #1
Holy shit this story was heavy. Why the fuck it wasn't in the UXM trade is baffling. Props to Bendis and Sorrentino for these powerful emotions.

Mighty Avengers #28
So, I'm continuing to read the The Unspoken storyline. The People's Republic of China's superhero team continues to be garbage. USAgent continues to be mildly nationalistic, and The Unspoken continues to be a fairly sympathetic dude who's cleaning house. Apparently the Slave Engine hides Attilan from outsiders, and he cast out the Xenogenesis crystals, which do something. Not clear on that. Power the Slave Engine? Hmmmmm. Feel like I missed something. There's also something about Scarlet Witch being Lady Loki, and then Hank Pym's niece knows but can't say anything, except to the Young Avengers who are on the run. Also Vision is referred to as Jonas by Cassie and was apparently a part of the Young Avengers.

Do we ever know why Scarlet Witch's 'No More Mutants' didn't wipe out everyone's abilities? Like an in-universe reason?

Because how else would we get Boss Cyclops?

 

[BrightLightLava]

Guys it's VISION WEEK

How excited are you on a scale of 10 to 11

During Civil War there's a very brief shot of Vision

Spoiler

floating in the dark in the corner of the room. It's super creepy, and very King-y. I loved it.

11.

 

[Mr. Luchador]

I've really enjoyed the first 3 issues of Inhumans (1998) so far. I've learned more about the Inhumans from these 3 issues than I ever did from all the stuff in the 60s.

I AM WOZ!

 

[Sadist]

Guys it's VISION WEEK

How excited are you on a scale of 10 to 11

I give it eleven out of eleven open doors

 

[ElNarez]

I'm gonna say it: The MCU will never have the balls to adapt the King/Walta Vision run because, if Civil War is any indication, they're really really afraid of doing something big and complicated that might paint its marquee characters in a bad light.

It couldn't even pull the trigger on Tony being completely wrong about everything.

 

[anaron]

Both of you should pick up the 5 issue mini called Hawkeye vs Deadpool. It's recent and is amazing. Plus it features Katie.

Artist is Matteo Lolli



He is doing an excellent job on the current Deadpool book (7-10 I believe the ones with Allred covers). He also drew Deadpool Killustrated

awesome, will do.