Poodlestrike
Banned
First of all, you should be ashamed for bringing that evil into this house.
Secondly that was a decade ago. And the first never came out. So I'm right anyway, nyah.
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COMICS! |OT| May 2016. Let's Do It. Let's Fall in Love.
- Thread starter Tyrant Rave
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First of all, you should be ashamed for bringing that evil into this house.
Secondly that was a decade ago. And the first never came out. So I'm right anyway, nyah.
I can't believe the Officer Downe movie is actually happening
I'm so hyped
Everything about this is absolutely ridiculous. I saw a picture of Burnham holding the gun when they were filming and laughed.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Animated DTV doesn't count for "TV and movie push."
Besides, that's Robin and Raven's movie.
Coriolanus
Banned
*reads ferals 1*
a-yurp, that's a standard avatar press lapham comic.
Shame, realy. Art's kinda decent.
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well shit, ferals 4 is legit bona fide good.
Schweinehund
Member
I dunno if movies necessarily mean a push in the comics in every way. Still no Shazam title. They might copy aesthetics or line ups like they're doing with squad.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Pls JC you are hurting me deeply. I counted you as one of Zees fans
I mean I like her Paul Dini/Grant Morrison written comics as much as the next person, but there's a reason she never solidified into an real ongoing.
Great for team books and one-off minis/OGNs...
echoshifting
Banned
Zatanna was one of my favorite characters on Young Justice
Uh Marvel announced a ton of quirky books for their relaunch
Weirdworld
Howard the Duck
Guardians of Infinity
Red Wolf
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur
And many more
The lack of any such books in Rebirth says a lot about DC's current (lack of) faith in their stable of B-list and C-list characters. Conversely Marvel dug deep for ANAD
Uh Marvel announced a ton of quirky books for their relaunch
Weirdworld
Howard the Duck
Guardians of Infinity
Red Wolf
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur
And many more
The lack of any such books in Rebirth says a lot about DC's current (lack of) faith in their stable of B-list and C-list characters. Conversely Marvel dug deep for ANAD
ViewtifulJC
Banned
if we're being honest, yea
Look what is about to happen to most of those books...it hasn't worked.
Wierdworld
Guardians
Red Wolf
Moon Girl
Those books are dead as can be they are just waiting for the reaper. Howard isn't far behind.
The reason DC isn't doing quirky books is because they just tried DCYou and it face planted. That was a bunch of quirky books. They failed. That was mostly DCs fault but the customers didn't go for it either.
I'd assume it was because that was the characters Dini wanted to use.
echoshifting
Banned
Okay well let's look at a success story: The Vision.
Now, some may say that this is neither a risky book nor a quirky book because the character is now enshrined in the MCU Avengers, but a book that takes such a different direction renders him effectively unrecognizable to movie-going audiences and is therefore both of those things. And it is a huge critical success.
Ms. Marvel and Squirrel Girl were quirky, risky successes too, it's just too much of a stretch to say they were so at the beginning of ANAD; there was an audience for both of them by that time.
I'd rather both companies take risks often and succeed occasionally than not take risks at all. In fact I believe this is a vital component of Big 2 health. You might be right, there might be more risky books down the line, what I'm saying is I do think we can make inferences about their lack of confidence from the initial lineup. Edit: And yes I do think DCYou was a major cause of this
whatsinaname
Member
When is Chew #60 scheduled for btw?
As for Rebirth - We get 10+ monthly batman&derivatives and 10+ Superman&derivatives books and 0 Plastic Man books. -_-
Most of those attempts just seemed so half-assed. As if they themselves didn't think it would work.
At the minimum DC could have kept their promise of 12 issues instead of flaking on that. That way, the readers would at least have some trust and would want to try out the next round of new #1s.
As for Rebirth - We get 10+ monthly batman&derivatives and 10+ Superman&derivatives books and 0 Plastic Man books. -_-
Most of those attempts just seemed so half-assed. As if they themselves didn't think it would work.
At the minimum DC could have kept their promise of 12 issues instead of flaking on that. That way, the readers would at least have some trust and would want to try out the next round of new #1s.
Coriolanus
Banned
Ahm, out of the four examples listed, isn't weirldworld the only one that's...yknow, legit good?
echoshifting
Banned
Yeah, they were just the first examples that popped in my head. I mean they put a fucking Karnak book out there and a lot of people seem to love it
It's a great book but it's a shame issue #1 came out in October and issue 3 didn't hit till April.
I feel like every DC You title made it to 12. They tried to cancel Omega Men but they brought it back and it got to 12. The rest are finishing up soon.
DC gave us Prez. That isn't quirky?
Tyrant Rave
Banned
Nitpicking, but I wouldn't really call another Guardians book really quirky or risky nowadays
Doomed didn't make it alongside some other books that DC claimed were always supposed to be mini series despite them never saying so.
I don't really get why they made that promise.
echoshifting
Banned
Eh, I would. The cast is mostly made up of obscure/new characters, and the fact that they kept it at two stories/five bucks every issue was a considerable risk. I think the fact that they felt they always needed a backup story with the standard GotG cast speaks volumes to the level of quirk in the main lineup.
Coriolanus
Banned
It aint a karnak book. It's a warren ellis book. That's the appeal.
Well, Gotham Academy is still going to be around (after a break, I think?)
whatsinaname
Member
I am not saying DC doesn't have quirky books. Their press focus and flakiness (Omega Men canceled! Not Cancelled! Prez is 12 issues! Prez is now a 6 issue mini! No wait, it is now a 12 issue run split into two minis!) just makes me think anything outside of Batman/Superman/Green Lantern is just an afterthought for the current editorial team.
At least they seem to be letting Way do his own thing with Young Animal. Hopefully they give him some runway on time and resources too.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Yeah, it's coming back in the fall.
Putting in the cast members people know removes the risk imo.
That and the fact that 6 of the 8 covers prominently feature Rocket/Groot/Drax just incase people missed them.
Prez is coming back for another 6 issues too.
echoshifting
Banned
If superstar creator + obscure character were a recipe for guaranteed success I think it would happen more often.
I love Ellis but I still didn't stick out Karnak past #1 because the character is so unappealing to me. It IS, ultimately, a Karnak book. Just as Ellis' Moon Knight was absolutely a Moon Knight book; he put a clever spin on the character's existing traits and history, but he treated those things with respect. He didn't reinvent him from square one.
Apparently not, because the book has failed.
The book failed because its pointless and is $5 an issue. How do you think that book would have done without the characters the people recognize?
Oh, is it really? That's awesome!
Yeah they split it into 2 minis as they wanted to come back for the election stuff in winter. It is not known if Ben Caldwell will be coming back as he went to Marvel to do the art on A-Force. But I hope he does. His art was great in Prez. Fun book.
echoshifting
Banned
Probably worse, but I feel at this point we are measuring "risky" versus "less risky but risky nonetheless" and I'm not sure why?
A $5 Guardians book starring a handful of recognizable Guardians and a whole lot of obscure ones is a risky proposition.
Coriolanus
Banned
It is a recipe for raising initial sales. Nothing more.
Very few would risk a new karnak book, precisely because, as you've just mentioned, the character is obscure. Much like how very few would've given Moon Knight another shot, were ellis not involved. Put ellis or bendis on that book tho, and, at least for a short while, you've raised interest.
Alas, superstars are a very rare breed.
I love fun books. They make me happy.
I just don't see any guardians book as a risk nowadays. At the very least they get a huge issue 1 and 2 bump that most obscure books don't get just because guardians is on the cover. Look how many Guardians books Marvel have launched in the past 3 years. Its insane and they have more to come. They have a Groot book where the doesn't even talk.
You know full well why we didn't support that book Shingi. Don't you bring that devil back in here.
Ann Nocenti will rise again.
Roland_Gunner
Member
The New 52 had a ton of niche titles, and not just less well known superheroes but other genres like war comics and the medieval Demon Knights. Some were critically successful but none had great sales and were among the first cancelled.
106 VISION #5 $3.99 18,636
Putting the hottest young writer in the industry on a book that sells at cancellation level by issue #5 isn't generally considered a success.
I would like to see her come back but I think how last job and the Catwoman stuff went so poorly that she might not come back.
She is doing a lecture tour last I seen for a documentary she directed after the earthquake in Haiti in 2010
Its pretty quirky tho right??
Tragicomedy
Member
Discussing comic sales in 2016 is as pointless as discussing TV ratings. Three to five books crack six figures each month. Everything else steadily declines into oblivion, until the inevitable reboot/rebirth gimmick.
Sales have zero bearing on the quality of a comic. Nothing sells, aside from Batman, TWD, and Star Wars.
Sales have zero bearing on the quality of a comic. Nothing sells, aside from Batman, TWD, and Star Wars.
echoshifting
Banned
Well, I did clarify later in my post that I was mostly talking about its critical reception (as that was my only point of reference since I'm too lazy to look up sales numbers), but I won't pretend that isn't disappointing to read. I concede the point.
Why aren't you guys buying Vision, I thought we had all agreed to buy Vision
I thought it sucked hard
I think it's my least favorite ANAD book, behind Hyperion
Coriolanus
Banned
Nearly done with Ferals and... i don't think i've ever read a comic that so actively hates women.
Fucking hell, every single one is legit reduced to a fucktoy, to be dismembered and or disemboweled in due time.
Fucking hell, every single one is legit reduced to a fucktoy, to be dismembered and or disemboweled in due time.
whatsinaname
Member
I just looked up a few previews on Google Images... I shouldn't have.