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[BenjaminBirdie]

Sorry man didn't mean to put words in your mouth. Something about just tossing a book to Soule just to have it on the shelves? Anyway it stuck with me...and apparently transformed a bit Fortunately not something you disagree with at least!

And yeah I would hope that the fact they are doing an Iceman book means someone had a really good idea for an Iceman book.

I bet it's writer-centric, though. I feel like All New X-Men could have been a hot take but then Bagley gets put on it and here we are.

 

[BKatastrophe]

My point is then, in a world where money and fame can corrupt a "good?" person, that we probably consume products from many "bad" people that are creating yet it's only ethical if that person gets caught. So ignorance is bliss is what the world is saying. But I'm saying we should not embrace ignorance, we should embrace the good and the bad. They both exist before us and will exist long after us.

I haven't read or followed everything involving this case, so I'm not an expert, but I'm of the beliefe that something had to have been happening before hand. Roc didn't become a scumbag because of RQ, but it certainly magnified it and made it worse

 

[Sandfox]

Cable? Gross.

I remember his last ongoing being fun lol.

 

[Ross61]

I haven't read or followed everything involving this case, so I'm not an expert, but I'm of the beliefe that something had to have been happening before hand. Roc didn't become a scumbag because of RQ, but it certainly magnified it and made it worse

Yeah, traits like that are deep-rooted, they just don't pop up.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I remember his last ongoing being fun lol.

Literally can't think of a single post-Lobdell-era Cable series that was anything less than fantastic.

Ladronn drew one.
Swerziersky wrote one.
Kordey drew one.

Cable haters, you hear things. I don't know, but you hear things.

 

[ElNarez]

what story is there to tell with cable in 2016, really

 

[Donniewahlberg]

I bet it's writer-centric, though. I feel like All New X-Men could have been a hot take but then Bagley gets put on it and here we are.

Lol No way Snyder begged for JRJR on his All Star run. DC just have to justify that big contract they signed. I don't care what they say! (first thing I thought of in relation)

 

[echoshifting]

what story is there to tell with cable in 2016, really

"Wow my dad turned out to be a giant loser huh

Wait that doesn't make sense, something was up there. I'm gonna find out what"

 

[Sandfox]

what story is there to tell with cable in 2016, really

With time travel and a new status quo there's probably a lot of directions they can go.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Lol No way Snyder begged for JRJR on his All Star run. DC just have to justify that big contract they signed. I don't care what they say! (first thing I thought of in relation)

Why do people hate JRJR?

 

[Lashley]

Cable is dull as fuck

 

[kmfdmpig]

There is speculation that AT+T will buy Time Warner, which of course, owns DC.

I wonder if that would have any impact on the management of DC in the future.

 

[Donniewahlberg]

Why do people hate JRJR?

At least for me, I've just really gone off his stuff man. The thing is, everything I liked of his was as a kid, his spiderman stuff etc, so it's hard to go back and quantify if it's him that changed or me. The last thing I remember legitimately really liking was Enemy of the state.

 

[Sandfox]

There is speculation that AT+T will buy Time Warner, which of course, owns DC.

I wonder if that would have any impact on the management of DC in the future?

DC comics phone exclusive.

 

[ElNarez]

JRJR is good sorry haters

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Cable is dull as fuck

lol no

JRJR is good sorry haters

yup

 

[Zombine]

Imagine a Cable story about Cable coming from the future to tell Cable that the future is bad and that only future Cable can fix the present future so it doesn't become the alternate Future Cable future.

 

[Donniewahlberg]

JRJR is good sorry haters

hey, all to their opinions, right? I'm not trying to blanket him as bad to anyone, but definitely what I think.

I'm not sure why we got to haters and people from just me making a comment anyway haha which was made in fair jest

 

[Brian Fellows]

I remember his last ongoing being fun lol.

It's cool. There really aren't any X-men solo titles that I would want though so it might as well be him.

 

[Messi]

I don't like Bagleys art.

 

[frye]

Yes.

anyways: the cover is still shit, end of, but, have more words on it

i'm usually sympathetic to this stuff but that JSC cover doesn't seem too awful (wrt sexualization, it's pretty ugly)

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

The best thing I saw about the JSC cover contro is that people who try to defend it as artistic freedom or whatever never talk about the cover's artistic merits

It's so lol

 

[anaron]

i'm usually sympathetic to this stuff but that JSC cover doesn't seem too awful (wrt sexualization, it's pretty ugly)

JSC is shit and the cover is fug but people are acting like this is some Greg Horn cover.

 

[KoruptData]

The best thing I saw about the JSC cover contro is that people who try to defend it as artistic freedom or whatever never talk about the cover's artistic merits

It's so lol

I don't defend it based on its artistic merits, I defend it because it probably has an audience out there. Who are we to deny it to its audience?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I don't defend it based on its artistic merits, I defend it because it probably has an audience out there. Who are we to deny it to its audience?

That's not how you accuse someone of censorship though (which, btw, can only be done by a government, not a publisher deciding what they themselves do or do not want to publish)

 

[Freezasaurus]

The best thing I saw about the JSC cover contro is that people who try to defend it as artistic freedom or whatever never talk about the cover's artistic merits

It's so lol

Ha ha. Artistic merits. I don't think anyone is arguing that it has any. I mean, as a comic cover in 2016 it is literally dog shit. I think the cries that it's sexualizing her are a bit exaggerated, though.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Ha ha. Artistic merits. I don't think anyone is arguing that it has any. I mean, as a comic cover in 2016 it is literally dog shit. I think the cries that it's sexualizing her are a bit exaggerated, though.

Isn't the character 15?

 

[Freezasaurus]

Isn't the character 15?

Yes. But I'm saying as poses go, it isn't that sexy. Count your blessings that they didn't hire Milo Manara on this one.

 

[TetraxShards]

Yes. But I'm saying as poses go, it isn't that sexy. Count your blessings that they didn't hire Milo Manara on this one.

By not doing that, they're denying us dank Frank Cho memes. And that's terrible.

Spoiler

It's not terrible at all.

 

[Donniewahlberg]

Awesome drawing of the penguin, by Riley Rossmo. Has the penguin been in the current Tom King bat book or is this just Rossmo having fun? Grabbed it from twitter.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Yes. But I'm saying as poses go, it isn't that sexy. Count your blessings that they didn't hire Milo Manara on this one.

I think it's more that JSC has never established himself as an artist of anything other than cheesecake poses (worse than even Cho tbh). His creator owned series was literally three hot spies.

 

[echoshifting]

Imagine a Cable story about Cable coming from the future to tell Cable that the future is bad and that only future Cable can fix the present future so it doesn't become the alternate Future Cable future.

My dream Cable book tbh

X-MEN COMICS

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Why do people hate JRJR?

He put years no effort in his work

 

[Lashley]

Have a Young Cyclops & Cable go on adventures together....In space

 

[Owzers]

Why do people hate JRJR?

He's a real blockhead.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Some new sketches and interior stuff from Iron-Man.

So hype for this book.

 

[Sandfox]

Have a Young Cyclops & Cable go on adventures together....In space

They could bring Hope along and call it X-Men GT.

 

[echoshifting]

Have a Young Cyclops & Cable go on adventures together....In space

In TIME

Hmm I guess they kinda already did that with Hope tho

 

[Messi]

Have a Young Cyclops & Cable go on adventures together....In space

And have an asteroid hit them both on the way up. Never to be seen again.

 

[Freezasaurus]

In TIME

Hmm I guess they kinda already did that with Hope tho

Whatever happened to Hope? And while we're talking about teenage comic characters being sexualized, let's bring up Transsonic. She was literally naked pretty much all the time.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I think it's more that JSC has never established himself as an artist of anything other than cheesecake poses (worse than even Cho tbh). His creator owned series was literally three hot spies.

You do whatever you have to do make money in the comic biz. I don't judge. He's a cover artist so it's whatevs. He enjoys it. You need to shift the blame to Marvel.

 

[Donniewahlberg]

Horde and beastcast for a bit I think.

 

[Freezasaurus]

I think it's more that JSC has never established himself as an artist of anything other than cheesecake poses (worse than even Cho tbh). His creator owned series was literally three hot spies.

Wait, JSC created Totally Spies!?

 

[jon bones]

Cable might be cool in Deadpool 2 and that's about it

Some new sketches and interior stuff from Iron-Man.



So hype for this book.

that's going to be great

 

[TetraxShards]

Wait, JSC created Totally Spies!?

I think he means Danger Girl. Which to be fair, is basically the same thing anyway. Just not as kid friendly.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

It's like Marvel hiring Yoji Shinkawa to design robots for a new Marvel comic and you get robots with dicks. You hired the man. You should have known you would get robots with dicks. Research.

 

[KoruptData]

That's not how you accuse someone of censorship though (which, btw, can only be done by a government, not a publisher deciding what they themselves do or do not want to publish)

I would say society (social media) has become the biggest governing body when it comes to censorship. I don't think censorship is something that politicians have touched since Grand Theft Auto and Eminem. The problem with that though is not everyone gets represented.

 

[ElNarez]

please

danger girl could never reach the levels of sexual depravation of totally spies

 

[Freezasaurus]

I think he means Danger Girl. Which to be fair, is basically the same thing anyway. Just not as kid friendly.

I know I was making a funny.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

You do whatever you have to do make money in the comic biz. I don't judge. He's a cover artist so it's whatevs. He enjoys it. You need to shift the blame to Marvel.

For soliciting and almost publishing the cover? Definitely.

I would say society (social media) has become the biggest governing body when it comes to censorship. I don't think censorship is something that politicians have touched since Grand Theft Auto and Eminem. The problem with that though is not everyone gets represented.

Literally only a government can censor. Everything else is a business making a decision based on profit risk/reward. People just get pissed, royally pissed, when they're on the wrong side of that equation. Tough toenails, I guess?