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COMICS |OT| September 2016. Comics Should Be Good.
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So do I. Sad to see stegman back
BKatastrophe
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I always wonder how I can still play the KH games, but here I am. Getting all excited again.
Absolutely will be getting
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Yeah. Larraz really killed it on that Ultron arc.
RepairmanJack
Member
Thanks for the recommendations, I'll check them out.
Ever wondered how Ms Marvel or Secret Invasion taste like?
https://youtu.be/NkgXkeXdOVg
https://youtu.be/NkgXkeXdOVg
Strangest thing Ive ever seen
While being a fan of both (turtles old cartoon at least), not sure that's a crossover I can see myself liking, hahaha. Maybe I'll check the preview pages first.
Definitely dude.
Year One man, one of the best bat stories ever, and you need no knowledge at all. Dark Knight Returns and the long halloween are very friendly in that way too.
Personal fav, the court/city of owls. One of the best modern tales by one of my favourite writersalso the intro to the new 52 batman so again, fairly easy on new readers although it is rooted in general continuity more than the others mentioned. You'll see the various robins, nightwing etc.
Thanks both. I actually read neither Year One or DKR but have watched both adaptations. I remember really liking DKR, Year One stuck a little less in my brain I have to admit. Think there's anything to gain from both of them story wise for someone who watched those?
Court of owls I'm slightly familiar with, again in when they were used in a Batman/Robin animation, would be interested in checking out more if not threading the exact same thing. Also does it go Court>Night>City ?? You didn't seem to mention night at all, skippable?
Long Halloween I've got zero reference for, will give it a check over.
Has Hush generally had mixed reception? I remember hearing quite a bit buzz about "hush", not sure if the character or the comic.
Great fucking stuff. Shamed Stegman
Donniewahlberg
Banned
Oh sorry night of the owls is the crossover collection so basically over the course of the owls saga there is a space there the other bat books did some tie ins, and those were collected as night of the owls. Completely skippable unless you end up really loving it and wanting to read them. It is very obvious in the story when it fits in haha I won't say more.
The death of the family volume that is in the sale there comes after the owl stuff, if you happen to be looking to spend loads haha I didn't want to over do it and recommend too much though so I didn't mention it.
Can't comment much on the animated movies vs the books sorry I haven't saw those.
Hush, a lot of people love, I just don't care much for jim Lee's art so it's not a big favourite of mine but it is well liked.
Started listening to 11 O'Clock Comics about a month ago. They do a good job of covering a wide range of stuff from the big two to Image, Valiant and even the occasional indie cartoonist (Learned about the great Noah Van Sciver from them).
LordOfLore
Banned
Thanks again, and yeah, I'm not going all in on a buying spree but at least I'll have a better reference on what to get even if it's a bit more spread out.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Just saw this posted on the Image reddit page........
Rose City Comicon Updates from Hickman and Fraction...........
Rose City Comicon Updates from Hickman and Fraction...........
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Sweet! Maybe this will mean I'll start seeing a lot more of their stuff at work. I'd love to read TMNT and Transformers for free.
Tizoc
Member
Ill link you to a transformers reading order later on
Donniewahlberg
Banned
Mentioned wanting to draw amd write himself, doesn't mention feel better now. Guess it's dead then.
LordOfLore
Banned
You know that entire list is bullshit because Fraction is still acting like Sex Criminals is continuing
Is that misty dawn?
Donniewahlberg
Banned
No its just.misty
LordOfLore
Banned
BKatastrophe
Member
Moon Knight by Brian Michael Bendis and Alex Maleev
Conversation around this book on here has largely devolved to, "the book where nothing happened." Truth be told, I defended it, but I honestly couldn't say if anything happened. Nothing was memorable. I couldn't remember a single special moment even remotely close to how it occurred, save for Echo dying. I had even forgotten who the main antagonist was. How could a book that I claimed to enjoy so much be so forgettable? Impossible. So, being a bit low on the dollars, I decided now would be a perfect opportunity to go back and re-read this superhero story. And boy, was my impression largely the same: it was fun, but forgettable.
So the plot is incredibly simple: Marc Spector, as a Hollywood television show producer who is producing a show about his earlier life, is approached by Captain America, Wolverine, and Spider-Man to get back in the game as Moon Knight. This assumes he left, but was still an Avenger. This is something I can't refute, because I not only didn't pay attention to Moon Knight, but I also didn't read comics for a huge chunk of the 00's. So I have no idea what was up with our buddy Marc. Anyways, the Avengers approach Marc to ask him to look into some "big movement" in LA, as apparently he's the first Avenger that popped into his head and the only one that lives in LA. After they ask him, he then heads off, finds Mr. Hyde transporting an Ultron head, beats him, and then escapes with the Ultron head as a mysterious figure nukes everything. Marc returns back to base, talking to Cap, Wolvie, and Spidey about what to do with the head. Turns out Cap, Wolvie, and Spidey aren't there, and that he's imagining them.
So yeah. That's pretty much the story. Take down the mysterious big bad while being crazy and figuring out what the fuck to do with the Ultron head. He gains assistance from Buck Lime, an ex-SHIELD agent (wouldn't be surprised if this dude showed up in some other Bendis books close to this time), and Echo a.k.a. May Lopez, who is also an Avenger. It's pretty straightforward and, I gotta say, pretty simplistic. Even to the point of being shallow. We have this dynamic with Marc where he's pretty transparent with the fact that he's crazy and seeing things he probably shouldn't, and everyone acknowledges it, but it doesn't go anywhere. The three aforementioned Avengers (Cap, Spidey, Wolvie) represent the voices in his head, but it doesn't seem to have any depth, nor purpose. Sure, it's fun to see him use weapons similar to them, but that weird shit in the beginning where he dressed as Spider-Man and used a faux-web shooter was just that: weird. He claims it was a scare tactic, but he's clearly off his rocker, and nothing really feels like it comes out of it. Captain America is the voice that tells him it's his duty, he's an Avenger, and he should play it smart, straight, and true. Wolverine is the voice that's pure aggression that tells him to go for the kill, to get up and don't stop no matter what. Then you have Spider-Man, who is the human part that tells him to hold back when Wolvie goes to far, but to be more emotional than when Cap is too cold. Spidey's all about saving the girl.
What Bendis does with these three voices is cool. They have a good dynamic and it's interesting to see how they influence Marc. They're also a representation of his mindset. But there's a huge problem: at the end, Wolverine kills Cap and Spidey, making Marc a beast of rage. This is after Echo is killed by Nefaria, which caused Marc to almost kill Nefaria. But he didn't. Later on, Echo becomes another one of his voices, along with Tony Stark. Echo makes sense, but Stark is based off of Marc speaking with him for all of 30 seconds. This voices, along with Buck and Echo, are Marc's supporting cast. Buck is your basic tech guy + sidekick combo, who I actually came to really like. Ex-secret agent with a specialty in weapons tech. Echo is another street-level Avenger who's deaf and fights with a staff. The problem with her being deaf is that, because of the way certain scenes are drawn and paneled, she appears to be responding to lips she can't see. She doesn't have any sort of aid, except for her phone aid that she uses once. It's hard to get invested in her, which sucks because she's the next biggest character after Marc. And then she dies, which I didn't know the first time I read this book, but even then I didn't feel anything. Now, for the plot: nothing happens. A lot of talking and bouncing back and forth. Some decent to good action scenes, but for the most part, nothing happens.
This book is a fun story where nothing happens. There are fights, a lot of talking, and that's it. It contributes nothing to Moon Knight's arc, nor does it contribute to the MU as a whole in any meaningful way. The whole, "devil and angel on your shoulder" dynamic, but using Avengers instead was a cool gimmick, but one that made Marc feel like a poser more than his own hero. Seeing him use the different weapons is cool, but I wanted to see him using more of his trademark stuff, and most of his fights aren't really good until he gets his zero-point energy shield, which is late in the game. Around the same time, in fact, that Madame Masque steps in and does nothing. She kills some randoms and gets into a fight with Buck and Marc. That's it. Some good action, but that's it. It's a shame, because she's cool as fuck while she's in the story, but she's just there for padding and aesthetic. We also have this subplot with the LAPD being corrupt, as represented by a former NYPD detective who came to LA because he was tired of the superhero/villain shit. It's a cool subplot, but it kind of just flops around for awhile in the background, rarely coming to surface, and when it does it just feels like a way to buy time. Not anything with any real impact, which is pretty much the name of the game. Snapdragon is cool as fuck, but she's just a minion with no real development which is like Madame Masque, only with plot relevance.
While I do always love street-level heroics, and I'm beginning to love Moon Knight more and more over the years (Ellis book is a dope action book and I'm loving Lemire's run something fierce), but this is a pretty weak story. It carries no real weight and is very pointlessly padded out as it goes absolutely nowhere. I love Bendis and Maleev, but this story is a bit of a flop. A fun flop, but a flop none the less.
Conversation around this book on here has largely devolved to, "the book where nothing happened." Truth be told, I defended it, but I honestly couldn't say if anything happened. Nothing was memorable. I couldn't remember a single special moment even remotely close to how it occurred, save for Echo dying. I had even forgotten who the main antagonist was. How could a book that I claimed to enjoy so much be so forgettable? Impossible. So, being a bit low on the dollars, I decided now would be a perfect opportunity to go back and re-read this superhero story. And boy, was my impression largely the same: it was fun, but forgettable.
So the plot is incredibly simple: Marc Spector, as a Hollywood television show producer who is producing a show about his earlier life, is approached by Captain America, Wolverine, and Spider-Man to get back in the game as Moon Knight. This assumes he left, but was still an Avenger. This is something I can't refute, because I not only didn't pay attention to Moon Knight, but I also didn't read comics for a huge chunk of the 00's. So I have no idea what was up with our buddy Marc. Anyways, the Avengers approach Marc to ask him to look into some "big movement" in LA, as apparently he's the first Avenger that popped into his head and the only one that lives in LA. After they ask him, he then heads off, finds Mr. Hyde transporting an Ultron head, beats him, and then escapes with the Ultron head as a mysterious figure nukes everything. Marc returns back to base, talking to Cap, Wolvie, and Spidey about what to do with the head. Turns out Cap, Wolvie, and Spidey aren't there, and that he's imagining them.
So yeah. That's pretty much the story. Take down the mysterious big bad while being crazy and figuring out what the fuck to do with the Ultron head. He gains assistance from Buck Lime, an ex-SHIELD agent (wouldn't be surprised if this dude showed up in some other Bendis books close to this time), and Echo a.k.a. May Lopez, who is also an Avenger. It's pretty straightforward and, I gotta say, pretty simplistic. Even to the point of being shallow. We have this dynamic with Marc where he's pretty transparent with the fact that he's crazy and seeing things he probably shouldn't, and everyone acknowledges it, but it doesn't go anywhere. The three aforementioned Avengers (Cap, Spidey, Wolvie) represent the voices in his head, but it doesn't seem to have any depth, nor purpose. Sure, it's fun to see him use weapons similar to them, but that weird shit in the beginning where he dressed as Spider-Man and used a faux-web shooter was just that: weird. He claims it was a scare tactic, but he's clearly off his rocker, and nothing really feels like it comes out of it. Captain America is the voice that tells him it's his duty, he's an Avenger, and he should play it smart, straight, and true. Wolverine is the voice that's pure aggression that tells him to go for the kill, to get up and don't stop no matter what. Then you have Spider-Man, who is the human part that tells him to hold back when Wolvie goes to far, but to be more emotional than when Cap is too cold. Spidey's all about saving the girl.
What Bendis does with these three voices is cool. They have a good dynamic and it's interesting to see how they influence Marc. They're also a representation of his mindset. But there's a huge problem: at the end, Wolverine kills Cap and Spidey, making Marc a beast of rage. This is after Echo is killed by Nefaria, which caused Marc to almost kill Nefaria. But he didn't. Later on, Echo becomes another one of his voices, along with Tony Stark. Echo makes sense, but Stark is based off of Marc speaking with him for all of 30 seconds. This voices, along with Buck and Echo, are Marc's supporting cast. Buck is your basic tech guy + sidekick combo, who I actually came to really like. Ex-secret agent with a specialty in weapons tech. Echo is another street-level Avenger who's deaf and fights with a staff. The problem with her being deaf is that, because of the way certain scenes are drawn and paneled, she appears to be responding to lips she can't see. She doesn't have any sort of aid, except for her phone aid that she uses once. It's hard to get invested in her, which sucks because she's the next biggest character after Marc. And then she dies, which I didn't know the first time I read this book, but even then I didn't feel anything. Now, for the plot: nothing happens. A lot of talking and bouncing back and forth. Some decent to good action scenes, but for the most part, nothing happens.
This book is a fun story where nothing happens. There are fights, a lot of talking, and that's it. It contributes nothing to Moon Knight's arc, nor does it contribute to the MU as a whole in any meaningful way. The whole, "devil and angel on your shoulder" dynamic, but using Avengers instead was a cool gimmick, but one that made Marc feel like a poser more than his own hero. Seeing him use the different weapons is cool, but I wanted to see him using more of his trademark stuff, and most of his fights aren't really good until he gets his zero-point energy shield, which is late in the game. Around the same time, in fact, that Madame Masque steps in and does nothing. She kills some randoms and gets into a fight with Buck and Marc. That's it. Some good action, but that's it. It's a shame, because she's cool as fuck while she's in the story, but she's just there for padding and aesthetic. We also have this subplot with the LAPD being corrupt, as represented by a former NYPD detective who came to LA because he was tired of the superhero/villain shit. It's a cool subplot, but it kind of just flops around for awhile in the background, rarely coming to surface, and when it does it just feels like a way to buy time. Not anything with any real impact, which is pretty much the name of the game. Snapdragon is cool as fuck, but she's just a minion with no real development which is like Madame Masque, only with plot relevance.
While I do always love street-level heroics, and I'm beginning to love Moon Knight more and more over the years (Ellis book is a dope action book and I'm loving Lemire's run something fierce), but this is a pretty weak story. It carries no real weight and is very pointlessly padded out as it goes absolutely nowhere. I love Bendis and Maleev, but this story is a bit of a flop. A fun flop, but a flop none the less.
RepairmanJack
Member
This teasing has been going on for way too long at this point.
DC seems to really be liking them some Tynion and Orlando lately. Either that or they're just throwing everything on them cause everyone else is busy with later stuff? I feel like everything announced lately involves them somehow, or am I crazy?
LordOfLore
Banned
Tynion is only on 'Tec. Orlando is on Supergirl, Midnighter and Apollo, Night of the Monster Men co-writer and JLA(only Supergirl and JLA next year AFAWK) last I checked.
Freezasaurus
Member
Is that a Megan Massacre gif? Jesus Christ, Messi.
Megan Massacre
Donniewahlberg
Banned
Good write up BK, I lo e to see these kind of posts. Not a story I've read but it's good hearing your thoughts. I have been following your updates the last day or so, and one thing I think where we differ as readers is,, when I read a marvel book, it definitely does not concern me whether or not it brings anything to the MU at large. I noticed that clme up a few times and personally I could car e less if a story lead to age of ultron or whether echo came back else where etc etc.
That said, and I say it for a reason, is we do seem to completely agree that in a bubble a story can be fun and pointless, but it needs SOMETHING. An idea or a moral conveyed a changing point for the characters, a memorable fight or anything. Something that once your done you go "yea, I'll come back to this" even if it's just for the one thing. If the story lacks all of these things, the yea I can see if the story at least contributed to the larger universe then that would ay least be something. Not a great something in my book but agreed, something. Reading your write up though, this book appears to have almost nothing. Having not read it, this rings true anyway because this is modern bendis all over. His dialogue can be great but his stories just lack anything outside characters quoting to bring you back or go, yea, this was worth my time. I come out of most.of his books in the last five years and go huh. Inoffensive but almost worthless, because it left no real impression. A lot of people in here are talking up current spiderman, I hope that's the case, because he really needs someone to stary pointing him in a direction otherwise, his books meander and have no backbone. And knowing it's the guy who wrote daredevil that is super frustrating.
Great post though man. Bendis is a really good talking point because so many of us keep going back to get burned haha. I'm probably going to pick up jessica jones and iron doom, despite what I wrote.
RepairmanJack
Member
Ok, so I guess it's just Orlando. Just seems like everything announced recently has been tied to Orlando in some way.
LordOfLore
Banned
New Samnee art from twitter:
WadiumArcadium
Member
It's about goddamn time someone did a Detective Chimp story.
RepairmanJack
Member
First exposure I ever had to him was in Injustice, I could definitely go for some more.
She doesn't either. Shits made up. Her real name is Megan Woznicki
It's still nowhere near as awesome as Olivia Wildes real name.
Why? It's easy to ignore her if you don't like her
BKatastrophe
Member
I agree that stories don't need to contribute to the greater universe as a whole, but think of all the great stories. All the critically acclaimed runs. Those all did something major with those characters, either by reinventing the lore or by making major developments with the characters themselves. While it didn't need to be one of the greats, this run needed something memorable, and it doesn't have that. No memorable dialogue, scenes, plot points. Nothing. And the thing is, I have nothing against Bendis. I haven't been burned like everyone else, apparently. But I am noticing his padding problems, particularly with Invincible Iron Man and International Iron Man, though I haven't read the most recent issues of either yet. I loved his X-books, though All-New fell apart near the end. I loved Alias, Daredevil, and New Avengers: Illuminati. I'm actually quite enjoying Civil War 2. It's just a matter of the fact that this run wasn't all that great, and it sucks, but it feels like as if the teacher gave a student an assignment that they thought was cool at first and then quickly lost interest, rushing it out of frustration and then saying, "my next assignment's gonna be so cool though."
I like to feel like I've gained something by reading a book, and with this I feel like I've gained nothing.
Yes, and I can think that her joking on twitter all the time is annoying. And I am fine with it that she can say whatever she want, dont get wrong here. And I have nothing against her personally.
Werent you not even the one here who said everytime her twitter habits came up here that she tends to get a little bit overboard?
Yeah and I unfollowed her and it hasn't been an issue since. When the company is ready to announce the book they will. Of you are annoyed by her joking around then unfollow the account. Easy.
Yes, I know.
No interest
TetraxShards
Member
Freezasaurus
Member
Hey Messi, I PM'd you everything for the OT except the stuff for the Image Comics section, which I'll send over whenever I make a banner I'm happy with.
BKatastrophe
Member
I'm gonna re-read another series. I'm thinking Bendis' Uncanny. I've been really wanting to re-read it, so this is a great time to do it.
Donniewahlberg
Banned
This is it in a nutshell isn't it haha. So many books miss this mark. I was a big fan of Bendis up until Secret Invasion, some of his stuff since then I've enjoyed, some very cold on, a lot extremely indifferent and numb haha.
Dear god. I have played mankind divided for nearly 13 hours now and I have just arrived to check out the train station bomb site. I take too long with these games haha.
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