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Conservative Catholic magazine compiles list of "Most Harmful Books" of last 200 yrs.

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http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=7591

The top 10 selections are either fairly obvious and non-political selections (Mein Kampf, The Communist Manifesto, Mao) or examples of a standard social conservative agenda (The Kinsey Report, The Feminine Mystique). But the honorable mentions are more interesting:
Honorable Mention

These books won votes from two or more judges:

The Population Bomb
by Paul Ehrlich
Score: 22

What Is To Be Done
by V.I. Lenin
Score: 20

Authoritarian Personality
by Theodor Adorno
Score: 19

On Liberty
by John Stuart Mill
Score: 18


Beyond Freedom and Dignity
by B.F. Skinner
Score: 18

Reflections on Violence
by Georges Sorel
Score: 18

The Promise of American Life
by Herbert Croly
Score: 17

Origin of the Species
by Charles Darwin
Score: 17


Madness and Civilization
by Michel Foucault
Score: 12

Soviet Communism: A New Civilization
by Sidney and Beatrice Webb
Score: 12

Coming of Age in Samoa
by Margaret Mead
Score: 11

Unsafe at Any Speed
by Ralph Nader
Score: 11


Second Sex
by Simone de Beauvoir
Score: 10

Prison Notebooks
by Antonio Gramsci
Score: 10

Silent Spring
by Rachel Carson
Score: 9

Wretched of the Earth
by Frantz Fanon
Score: 9

Introduction to Psychoanalysis
by Sigmund Freud
Score: 9


The Greening of America
by Charles Reich
Score: 9

The Limits to Growth
by Club of Rome
Score: 4

Descent of Man
by Charles Darwin
Score: 2
 

ge-man

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explodet said:
You'd think "My Pet Goat" would have made the list.

Hah, that what folks were saying at Smirkingchimp the other day when they were discussing the list.

As for take on the list, it's pretty clear why most of this books are listed. I more shocked that stuff like Mein Kampf is listed than I am about seeing Darwin and Mill.
 

Triumph

Banned
Oh man. Hey, where's a conservative or fundie to defend this? I need to know why "Unsafe at any Speed" is harmful.
 

Gruco

Banned
Bothering me more than any of the honorable mentions is John Maynard Keynes checking in at #10.
 

Triumph

Banned
Stupid Right Wingers said:
Marx died after publishing a first volume of this massive book, after which his benefactor Engels edited and published two additional volumes that Marx had drafted. Das Kapital forces the round peg of capitalism into the square hole of Marx’s materialistic theory of history, portraying capitalism as an ugly phase in the development of human society in which capitalists inevitably and amorally exploit labor by paying the cheapest possible wages to earn the greatest possible profits. Marx theorized that the inevitable eventual outcome would be global proletarian revolution. He could not have predicted 21st Century America: a free, affluent society based on capitalism and representative government that people the world over envy and seek to emulate.

:lol :lol :lol

Marx is on the list twice. Of course!
 

PS2 KID

Member
Man this list is Bullsheeet. Screw those Maxim top ten wannabes. It's good to know the Story of O is safe to read. :D

I'm waiting for the Liberal Catholic list.
 

Dilbert

Member
The Communist Manifesto is a "harmful" book? That's a fucking joke. I'd be willing to bet that the person making that claim hasn't read it, or understand a thing about Marxism.

Then again, given who put this list together, why am I not surprised?
 
A lot of these seem to be considered harmful because of the effects they caused in history. That would explain the Origin of Species (considering Catholics actually can agree with evolution) and the Communist Manifesto. Of course, that only makes sense with those two for the most part. So I guess I should rephrase my original statement of "a lot of these" into "two of these for sure, and maybe one or two others on a tangent".
 

White Man

Member
Wretched of the Earth
by Frantz Fanon
Score: 9

This is a book about anti-colonialism. In short, it was written to inspire the people of Algiers to violently rise up against the French attempting to colonize their country. It's all about nations doing what it takes to stand up for their own sovereignty. It's also the book that popularized the term "third world" (though not the original source).

EDIT: Sartre wrote the famous forward, which endorses violent opposition towards repressive governments.

This list is abominable.

EDIT2:

Madness and Civilization
by Michel Foucault
Score: 12

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

It effectively details how madness went from being something you could be imprisoned for (pre 20th century), to something that could be effectively treated. It tracks the treatment of mentally ill folks from the age when they were locked in filthy buildings and left to rot to today. I guess the people that made this list think that mentally ill people should be treated as criminals.

The book is also intensely anti-psychiatrist -- it puts analysis over medication.
 

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
What's wrong with the Communist Manifesto being on the top of the list? Christianity has always been about keeping the powerful in control and keeping those in weak positions in society from advancing or being well off.

...

Hm. You know, I started out thinking I was typing a sarcastic repsonse. But after I read it...not so much.

edit: :lol :lol

I just read some of the quotes. You could truly never tell that this list was written by a bunch of fucking retarded Republicans. Really. No, honestly, you can't. Some favorites:

He could not have predicted 21st Century America: a free, affluent society based on capitalism and representative government that people the world over envy and seek to emulate.

The book is a recipe for ever-expanding government. When the business cycle threatens a contraction of industry, and thus of jobs, he argued, the government should run up deficits, borrowing and spending money to spur economic activity. FDR adopted the idea as U.S. policy, and the U.S. government now has a $2.6-trillion annual budget and an $8-trillion dollar debt.

In Democracy and Education, in pompous and opaque prose, he disparaged schooling that focused on traditional character development and endowing children with hard knowledge, and encouraged the teaching of thinking “skills” instead. His views had great influence on the direction of American education--particularly in public schools--and helped nurture the Clinton generation.

Her original vocation, tellingly, was not stay-at-home motherhood but left-wing journalism

The Nazis loved Nietzsche.

Yeah, I feel it best to close with that one.
 

Triumph

Banned
Ash Housewares said:
liberalism is for pansies
Yeah, and Neo-Conservatism is for mouth-breathing, sister-humping shit-kicking fucking halfwits. From FLORIDA.

I think I'll take what's behind door number 1, Bob.
 
As Boas and Mead expected, this book upset many Westerners when it first appeared in 1928. Many American readers felt shocked by her observation that young Samoan women deferred marriage for many years while enjoying casual sex, but eventually married, settled down, and successfully reared their own children.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Mead

On a side note, I've been reading up on culture/racism texts, and it's like wow, Franz Boas taught so many influential people. His fingers are all over the early 20th century. I would be reading a text about some influential person, and the text would mention how in their education they would go to Columbia.... "let me guess: they studied under Boas?"
 

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
I've been thinking about this for a while, and I've come to a conclusion.

Anybody else want to write in to this magazine and thank them for the suggested summer reading list?
 
Shompola said:
"Coming of Age in Samoa
by Margaret Mead
Score: 11"

It's just a social/culture anthropology book bah.

But a lot of it is bullshit, although I doubt that was the reason that it made honarable mention.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
One gem of many I found paticularly funny... from Entry 10, Keynes' book.

FDR adopted the idea as U.S. policy, and the U.S. government now has a $2.6-trillion annual budget and an $8-trillion dollar debt.
:lol
 

123rl

Member
Why isn't the Bible on that list? It's caused more wars, racism, prejudice and hatred than anything else in history...

I sense bias in this list ;)

(yes I know it's the last 200 years. But I'm counting the Bible because it's still being printed :p)
 

Flynn

Member
Raoul Duke said:
Oh man. Hey, where's a conservative or fundie to defend this? I need to know why "Unsafe at any Speed" is harmful.

I'm assuming that criticism of this book and Rachel Carson's book come from the Libertarian perspective that the free market is hindered by supposedly "reactionary" books such as these.

I've actually heard chemists say that Carson's essay on DDT caused an effective and not-as-harmful-as-they-once-thought pesticide to be replaced with worse offenders.
 
It's funny. They don't really say why Mao's book is bad and it's number 3 on that list. All I see is that the book makes people criticize America. I guess that's taboo. :D
 

iapetus

Scary Euro Man
Archaix said:
What's wrong with the Communist Manifesto being on the top of the list? Christianity has always been about keeping the powerful in control and keeping those in weak positions in society from advancing or being well off.

So, to be fair, have most attempts at Communism. :)
 

megateto

Member
Is it really a Catholic magazine or a Christian one, 'cos it really amazes me that Origin of Species is in that list.
 
Wow, have you read some of the other articles on the site? They're pretty hardcore right-wingers.

Not Finding a Koran in Gitmo's Toilets, the NY Times Uncovers a Pro-Hitler Interrogator

Greeting readers of the New York Times on Memorial Day was the latest journalistic attempt to besmirch those Americans who are fighting the War on Terrorism every day, especially in the U.S. prisonswhere al-Qaeda and Taliban killers and would-be killers are being held. A May 30 story by Timesman Neil A. Lewis reports the unsurprising news that a growing stream of gringo lawyers are flying into the military detention center at Gitmo to hold the hands of terrorists and help lead them to a federal judge on the mainland who might set them free to go home--and make new plans to kill more innocent civilians.
 

robochimp

Member
Silent Spring
by Rachel Carson
Score: 9

for anyone who doesnt know it

Rachel Carson's book focused on the poisons from insecticides, weed killers, and other common products as well as the use of sprays in agriculture, a practice that led to dangerous chemicals to the food source.


It is simply amazing that it is on a list like this
 
megateto said:
Is it really a Catholic magazine or a Christian one, 'cos it really amazes me that Origin of Species is in that list.
Yeah, looking at the website, the editors, their "about us" page and all that, there isn't a thing mentioned about Catholicism, yet alone Christianity, though a Christian attitude is definitely implied. It's just for conservatives, nothing to do with Catholicism besides mentioning the background of Comte who happened to be a Catholic who stopped believing and wrote about moving beyond God. Why the word Catholic appears in thread title is beyond me.
 
I don't think this is a religious thing at all, just a conservative thing. In which case, the compalint about the nader book would undoubtedly be about how it held corporations more accountable (a big non-no for traditional conservatives). Thelist isn't even particularly neo-con (aside form the Darwin), just very conservative.
 

Bluecondor

Member
Ya - that is absolutely ridiculous that Silent Spring is on that list. I have read/heard conservative criticisms of the book that she was nothing more than a "tabloid journalist" who sought only to sensationalize the negative aspects of the pesticide industry, and that this propaganda led to an untenable system of regulation that places American pesticide manufacturers at a great competitive disadvantage in relation to foreign companies who are not subject to such rigorous regulatory standards.

Of course, this argument sounds all logical and reasonable, until you consider that it is the same tired, reactionary point-of-view that has been used to argue against every form of social regulation of business behavior. If you run with this logic, then regulations prohibiting business from everything from pollution to racial and gender discrimination to the use of child labor are unreasonable because they put U.S. companies at a competitive disadvantage against foreign companies who are not subject to such standards.

The thing I don't get from these conservative commentators is, without regulation, how is society supposed to stop the negative externalities of business activities, such as pollution, discrimination and unfair labor practices. I am always suspicious when a commentator rails on against regulation without addressing the fact that regulation exists in many cases because there are real problems like pollution, discrimination and child labor.
 
Silent Spring is one of the most important books of the last 50 years, and I'll leave it at that.

The reason why the fundies and freemarketers hate it is because it got DDT tanked. DDT was profitable, DDT was cheap, and it was used in agribusiness in enormous amounts. The listing of the substance as a carcinogen have always been challenged, but Silent Spring's point that it caused the thinning of bird egg shells, especially in raptors, wasn't ever really in dispute. Now they try to talk about DDT as a malaria-reducing agent, and blame the lack of support for using the chemical in developing countries as contributing to the half a billion cases and a million deaths each year from the disease.

The bigger point is that when the Western world said "no" to DDT, it represented a key point in the environmental movement-a point at which the movement realized that it could affect business through government policy. Business had a powerful new foe that serves as a near-direct counter to their practices.
 

Bluecondor

Member
pollo said:
im saddened by the appearance of number 10. Lord Meyer Keynes? What??

Ya - that is pretty ironic coming from a conservative website that celebrates the achievements of Ronald Reagan.
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
pnjtony said:
Is there a such thing as a list of books liberals consider to be harmfull?
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LOL j/k.
 
Is there a such thing as a list of books liberals consider to be harmfull?

Liberals don't take issue with the literature, no matter how repugnant it is. We understand that, chances are, if the books are instigators of social change in a path that is damaging, that's much less the responsibiliy of the book than it is the actors who brought about the change itself.

A good comparison is, say, Rebuilding America's Defenses by PNAC. I don't blame the document for the forieng policy disaster currently playing out-it's just a piece of paper written by a bunch of warmongers, harmless provided that those people never get near positions of power (which they did).
 

pnjtony

Member
Well I kind of figured all of that but I didn't wanna look stupid posting that a list of harmfull books could only come from conservatives if there was already a liberal list.
 
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