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[hououinkyouma00]

I have a Steam Deck but am very interested in the X version. FH6 will be a game I'll play on the go as well as CoD zombies. Maybe GTA 6 too. It has VRR which should help a bit as well as Auto SR when that comes out early next year.

LOL

This thing can barely run Expedition 33.

By the time GTA 6 comes out on PC this thing will probably be 3-4 years old and be running that shit at like N64 level frames and resolutions. Somehow the POS N64 will probably look better too.

 

[StereoVsn]

I have a Steam Deck but am very interested in the X version. FH6 will be a game I'll play on the go as well as CoD zombies. Maybe GTA 6 too. It has VRR which should help a bit as well as Auto SR when that comes out early next year.

If X has a bit bigger OLED screen I would be a lot more interested. I already have an Ally with that same screen.

 

[djjinx2]

LOL

This thing can barely run Expedition 33.

By the time GTA 6 comes out on PC this thing will probably be 3-4 years old and be running that shit at like N64 level frames and resolutions. Somehow the POS N64 will probably look better too.

Maybe cloud play that one if it's even a thing. Forgot no PC version my bad

 

[StereoVsn]

The Ryzen AI Z2 Extreme in the ROG Xbox Ally X should be massively more powerful than the Steam Deck, no? I don't see where you get the 20/30% from. I'd say the GPU is at least 3x.
No clue about the CPU but it seems to be some kind of weird performance/efficiency-core hybrid.

What, no, it's not even 2x, but to mention 3x. Maybe 50-60% more frames in real games. And it's still on FSR 3.x.

 

[Tobimacoss]

Maybe cloud play that one if it's even a thing. Forgot no PC version my bad

Remote Play should work regardless. Let's see if MS can secure streaming rights for GTA6 on xCloud Buy and Stream.

 

[Jesb]

Crazy prices for these handhelds. I just bought a new Mac mini m4 for less. Handhelds shouldn't be costing more than a computer with many functions.

 

[Tobimacoss]

Crazy prices for these handhelds. I just bought a new Mac mini m4 for less. Handhelds shouldn't be costing more than a computer with many functions.

The handhelds are a mini PC, you can plug them into any monitor and kb/m and use as a regular PC.

The Ally X even has Thunderbolt 4 support.

 

[spons]

What, no, it's not even 2x, but to mention 3x. Maybe 50-60% more frames in real games. And it's still on FSR 3.x.

I checked TFLOPS and memory bandwidth on TechPowerup. According to that it's about 3x. I know I have to take power draw into account, but is this theoretical performance really not applicable in practice?

 

[StereoVsn]

I checked TFLOPS and memory bandwidth on TechPowerup. According to that it's about 3x. I know I have to take power draw into account, but is this theoretical performance really not applicable in practice?

Nope, there are already benchmarks for Z2E devices which are going to be roughly similar in performance.

Wild card is any special performance improvement on Windows side MS brings to the table with the new game mode, but that's going to be available to other handhelds next year (not SteamDeck of course).

We will know soon enough, and it's going to be interesting to see the results.

 

[Jibran#one]

Everything Microsoft touches turns to shit
I can bet my asss that this would be a huge flop.
If this was a shrinked down Xbox series running Xbox games natively with some steam support it would've made sense
But this is a handheld PC with Xbox stickers on it.
Next year there would be more powerful versions of it and so on and so forth

 

[Mr Reasonable]

If this was a shrinked down Xbox series running Xbox games natively with some steam support it would've made sense

Except for the power and heat problems, sure.

 

[Tobimacoss]

Except for the power and heat problems, sure.

Another thing is, a handheld that can ONLY play Xbox Series S games would be sold to the most hard-core Xbox gamers, roughly a percentage of the 20 million or so.

There are 32 million Series Consoles, and another 20-25 million Xbox One users who stream. But even if 10% of all those users buy the handheld, it would be 5 million sales. Then there's no further growth for that market.

That's why all future devices by MS and OEMs need to appeal to BOTH Xbox Console users and PC gamers. A Windows PC handheld was the fastest way to get a device on the market.

If the next gen device with the Xbox designed AMD chips has full Console library BC and FC, then it would become an Xbox PC handheld.

Plus, I don't think MS wants to make handheld a mandatory device for devs to support in addition to the Magnus console or consoles.

 

[kevboard]

Except for the power and heat problems, sure.

you can absolutely build a portable system with Series S performance now. the question would just be how expensive it'd be.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

it would be 5 million sales

Tbh, I think they'd be quite happy with that. I'm not sure what kind of numbers people expect (some people here: Zero, I'm sure) but Google thinks Valve have sold about 4m Steamdecks after a few years, I think this is a bit of a niche market.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

For playing Xbox CONSOLE games IT IS a streaming solution

It doesn't NATIVELY run Xbox console games from any generation

LOL

Aaaaaand hence why I most definitely will not buy it.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Aaaaaand hence why I most definitely will not buy it.

Might be worth looking at how many of your games are Play Anywhere games.

Microsoft are seriously growing that catalogue (6 months ago they had 1000, they're up to 1400+ now) which means that you'll get a native pc game to play even if you've only ever played and bought Xbox games on console.

 

[Tobimacoss]

Tbh, I think they'd be quite happy with that. I'm not sure what kind of numbers people expect (some people here: Zero, I'm sure) but Google thinks Valve have sold about 4m Steamdecks after a few years, I think this is a bit of a niche market.

5 million isn't enough to mandate developer support. That's why they rolled out that program with a Handheld Badge to indicate if a game supports the Handheld. Similar to Steam Deck Verified. It seems MS does not want to mandate devs build for handhelds, at least for now, maybe even in next gen.

They will simply let gamers pressure developers into adding Handheld support, by showing the publishers the data that Handheld users are more likely to buy games at full price, buy more MTX and are more engaged.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Might be worth looking at how many of your games are Play Anywhere games.

Microsoft are seriously growing that catalogue (6 months ago they had 1000, they're up to 1400+ now) which means that you'll get a native pc game to play even if you've only ever played and bought Xbox games on console.

I have a handful but that's not the issue. The versions/saves aren't necessarily universal. Stardew Valley on PC is a separate version even in the Xbox PC app and thus completely useless for me if I'm trying to play my Xbox portably in what should be a seamless transition. They're improving but not there yet. Got a ways to go. That you can't play your console save across devices within the Xbox ecosystem is like, oof.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

I have a handful but that's not the issue. The versions/saves aren't necessarily universal. Stardew Valley on PC is a separate version even in the Xbox PC app and thus completely useless for me if I'm trying to play my Xbox portably in what should be a seamless transition. They're improving but not there yet. Got a ways to go. That you can't play your console save across devices within the Xbox ecosystem is like, oof.

Looking at the Xbox website it doesn't look like Stardew Valley is a play anywhere title.

As I understand it, the games that ARE play anywhere titles DO allow you to continue your progress via cloud saves. Microsoft say this:

"Pick up where you left off on PC, Xbox console, or supported handhelds - bringing all your saves, game add-ons, and achievements with you."

 

[Tobimacoss]

I have a handful but that's not the issue. The versions/saves aren't necessarily universal. Stardew Valley on PC is a separate version even in the Xbox PC app and thus completely useless for me if I'm trying to play my Xbox portably in what should be a seamless transition. They're improving but not there yet. Got a ways to go. That you can't play your console save across devices within the Xbox ecosystem is like, oof.

Stardew Valley is on xCloud. Have you tried streaming it?

Looking at the Xbox website it doesn't look like Stardew Valley is a play anywhere title.

As I understand it, the games that ARE play anywhere titles DO allow you to continue your progress via cloud saves. Microsoft say this:

"Pick up where you left off on PC, Xbox console, or supported handhelds - bringing all your saves, game add-ons, and achievements with you."

Yes, Play Anywhere means Cross Buy, Cross Play, Cross Saves between PC, Console, Cloud. And Stardew Valley released December 2016.

First PA game was Recore in September 2016, followed by Forza Horizon 3. Devs have ability to make games PA retroactively, but has to be games released after September 2016.

Usually they do that, when they add games to Gamepass. Square Enix, Warner Bro make their games Play Anywhere retroactively even if not at launch. So Stardew Valley could become one if added to Gamepass.

 

[Topher]

 

[mckmas8808]

Have they released the price of this thing yet?

 

[Tobimacoss]

Have they released the price of this thing yet?

$549 and $899 are reported by various sources.

 

[Topher]

Have they released the price of this thing yet?

No

 

[demigod]

$399, holyshit he's back to being braindead.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Thank you for sharing the 3 people who like that (at this time)

 

[mckmas8808]

No

Just so odd that these devices are coming out in a month with no official launch price. Crazy!

 

[Orbital2060]

Been checking the website for pre order but none yet. You can sign up for an email notice.

 

[jm89]

$399, holyshit he's back to being braindead.

This is the tim dog i like.

Not the mopey one we can't make fun off.

 

[jm89]

If those prices that are floating around are correct what's the hold up with an official confirmation? Sounds like the price alot would have expected.

 

[Topher]

Just so odd that these devices are coming out in a month with no official launch price. Crazy!

 

[demigod]

Definitely won't be the price destin says.

 

[Topher]

Definitely won't be the price destin says.

But random guy at Best Buy says....

 

[adamsapple]

Definitely won't be the price destin says.

 

[Topher]

Do we have more evidence than some rando at Best Buy?

 

[adamsapple]

Do we have more evidence than some rando at Best Buy?

No, but it's the same price the pretty reliable Bilbi quoted a few weeks ago. Odds are higher that it'd be the same than otherwise.

But the fact that they haven't announced the price a month out from release is bizarre.

 

[reinking]

Dude has lost it but I do find it weird that PlayStation has had streaming longer but never focused on it (barely mentioned it?). Xbox made a huge push for streaming at the detriment of their console to do so. Yet, here we are with PlayStation having the streaming only handheld and Xbox about to launch a fully functional handheld. If you had asked me not that long ago to predict who would launch a less expensive streaming only handheld and who would launch an expensive all-in-one gaming handheld, I would have totally gotten it wrong.

 

[Topher]

No, but it's the same price the pretty reliable Bilbi quoted a few weeks ago. Odds are higher that it'd be the same than otherwise.

But the fact that they haven't announced the price a month out from release is bizarre.

I think it will be a lot cheaper than Legion Go 2. 7" non-oled screen, 8GB less ram, no joycon stuff. But with tariff stuff still looming, it is really difficult to say. $899 seems optimistic, but not impossible.

 

[Topher]

adamsapple

 

[adamsapple]

adamsapple

Look at all those billions rolling in.

 

[Punished Miku]

This is the tim dog i like.

Not the mopey one we can't make fun off.

Speak for yourself buddy.

 

[Ellis]

If Allys weren't built, and felt like Fisher Price toys, I'd probably replace my Deck with one. Down to the abysmal d-pad, this just looks more of the same, but with an X stuck on the plastic. I'm definitely not parting with my cash for one.

The Lenovo seems like a much better buy.

 

[StereoVsn]

Do we have more evidence than some rando at Best Buy?

I could swear that Xbox actually had pricing for a bit on these at BestBuy, but might be mid-remembering vs Lenovo.

My guess they are still trying to figure out pricing due to tariffs plus waiting out Lenovo.

 

[BennyBlanco]

The Lenovo seems like a much better buy.

Agreed. That giant OLED is calling my name. But if this Xbox one with a better chip than the Lenovo is really $900 it might sway me.

I need to hold one and see how it feels. It also seems like I would be giving up a ton of functionality with no track pads. And going backwards from an OLED will be tough.

 

[Topher]

I could swear that Xbox actually had pricing for a bit on these, but might be mid-remembering vs Lenovo.

My guess they are still trying to figure out pricing due to tariffs plus waiting out Lenovo.

Lenovo gave them a lot of wiggle room to work with. That much is certain

 

[mckmas8808]

If those prices that are floating around are correct what's the hold up with an official confirmation? Sounds like the price alot would have expected.

Because it's the price nobody likes, when you consider who MS is targeting this device at. For you hardcore PC guys, this price is normal. It's not normal to console gamers at all!

 

[vaibhavpisal]

What exactly is most expensive part in these handhelds?

First generation Rog Ally, MSI Claw can regularly be had for like $400. These seem more like refinement to me.

Not sure if actual manufacturing cost are that high.

Usually with gaming laptops, they upgrade cooling solution which makes higher end systems worth it. Not sure if thats the case here.

 

[StereoVsn]

Lenovo gave them a lot of wiggle room to work with. That much is certain

There is also MSI Claw with both new Intel and AMD Z2E (Intel is actually a bit better performing) for $1K, but it's mostly out of stock.

 

[StereoVsn]

What exactly is most expensive part in these handhelds?

First generation Rog Ally, MSI Claw can regularly be had for like $400. These seem more like refinement to me.

Not sure if actual manufacturing cost are that high.

Usually with gaming laptops, they upgrade cooling solution which makes higher end systems worth it. Not sure if thats the case here.

Z2E seems to be an expensive chip. All the Chinese handhelds, MSI, now Lenovo and Asus, all have high prices.

And we now have tariffs for China, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, etc…

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Z2E seems to be an expensive chip. All the Chinese handhelds, MSI, now Lenovo and Asus, all have high prices.

And we now have tariffs for China, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, etc…

Somehow I find it hard to believe.

In desktop space, they usually keep prices same while giving moderate boost to performance.