Corporations trying to abolish paid sick leaves

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Seattle, San Francisco, Washington, D.C. and Connecticut have all passed paid sick leave laws; Philadelphia is waiting to hear if its mayor will veto a sick leave bill passed by the city council, as he has done once before.

There's another city that passed paid sick leave: Milwaukee, by overwhelming popular vote on a referendum, only to have it overridden by Gov. Scott Walker and his allies passing a state law that preempted it. Now, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC; see here and here) is planning to use that as a model to overturn paid sick leave laws passed elsewhere—like, say, Seattle or Philadelphia.

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Not surprisingly, ALEC's Labor and Business Regulation Subcommittee is co-chaired by YUM! Brands, Inc., which owns Kentucky Fried Chicken, Pizza Hut and Taco Bell. Fast food companies have fought paid sick leave across the country.

Because fast food companies want you to be served food that comes with a solid dose of the flu, if it means saving a little money on paid sick leave. Just as they want to be able to fire workers for staying home for a couple days to get over the flu or take care of a sick child.

So if you live in a state where a city has passed paid sick leave, keep an eye out for this to make its way from ALEC model legislation to a bill submitted by one of your state legislators.
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something something Occupy Wall Street.
 
What the fuck? America has the least amount of paid vacation days, and now they're trying to abolish being home while ill?

This country seems to be blossoming further into some hilarious nightmare every single day..
 
Where I work, you actually get paid MORE when you take sick leave. It's supposed to incentivize people not infecting all their coworkers. Still, I haven't used any in the last 3 years.
 
jchap said:
Where I work, you actually get paid MORE when you take sick leave. It's supposed to incentivize people not infecting all their coworkers. Still, I haven't used any in the last 3 years.
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That's... That's not a bad idea.
 
Foffy said:
What the fuck? America has the least amount of paid vacation days, and now they're trying to abolish being home while ill?

This country seems to be blossoming further into some hilarious nightmare every single day..
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Agreed.

jchap said:
Where I work, you actually get paid MORE when you take sick leave. It's supposed to incentivize people not infecting all their coworkers. Still, I haven't used any in the last 3 years.
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WTF...Well...why haven't you?
 
Someone tell me something: Why in the fuck are FOOD companies meddling in the affairs of workers rights? They're there to sell and market FOOD, not influence policies, right?
 
jchap said:
Where I work, you actually get paid MORE when you take sick leave. It's supposed to incentivize people not infecting all their coworkers. Still, I haven't used any in the last 3 years.
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My company very much encourages that you don't come into work if you are sick. And if you absolutely insist on working you at least stay at home and do it. Of course that still doesn't prevent half our office being taken out by some sickness every winter from people who think they should come in anyway.
 
I used to pick up shifts for people all the time at my last job. I'd work their shift to make extra money, and they'd be paid in full for not coming in. It was a really odd system from my other work experiences but I loved it anyway. I barely used any of my time and got a percentage of it paid to me in cash. At one point, my manager actually asked me to take a vacation to burn through some of my other time since it couldn't all be converted to cash. So I got a paid week off lol.
 
jchap said:
Because taking sick leave when you aren't sick would be unethical? Also I enjoy my job.
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This. When you have a policy that good there's also an incentive to not abuse it so that it stays around.

And back on topic, fuck corporations.
 
If you worked/studied harder you'd work better jobs at companies that valued you as an employee and wouldn't dare take your sick leave.

/bootstrap Gaf
 
I don't think many places with small margins like fast foods resturants could deal with employees nbanking sick leave so I'm not surprised they are fighting this. I didn't feel like I had a real job until I finally started working somewhere that gave me sick time. What's the time vs bank? I remember hearing part of the problem they had was how quickly (they felt) the time racked up. This needed to have been done years and years ago, because at this point, it hurts them as they would have to staff more people which they don't want to do.

Also, what is the basis of the veto? The mayor just says 'no, fuck you' What the hell is his stake in this? Campaign funds only\?
 
Door2Dawn said:
Someone tell me something: Why in the fuck are FOOD companies meddling in the affairs of workers rights? They're there to sell and market FOOD, not influence policies, right?
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Because they have money and money is everything nowdays
 
Cereal KiIIer said:
<----- 1 month vacation and 2 sick days a month. Socialism at work.
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B-but it's bad! You have to wait weeks to see a health care provider!!

I envy you moose people up there in Canada. Got room for a New Yorkian?
 
I work for a good company and there is no sick leave. You have to get FMLA to have an absence excused. If you miss 4 days in a row you can file for 50% pay disability through the company. I guess that's kinda like sick leave.
 
I think this is mainly for the fast food industry as mentioned in the article - because just about every other firm in america encourages you to take the day off if you are sick so you don't infect everyone else and wreak havoc on productivity.
 
jchap said:
Where I work, you actually get paid MORE when you take sick leave. It's supposed to incentivize people not infecting all their coworkers. Still, I haven't used any in the last 3 years.
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And that is how it should be. I work with elderly people and I get told to go home if I have a slight cold.
 
jchap said:
Because taking sick leave when you aren't sick would be unethical? Also I enjoy my job.
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I wouldn't use any sick time if not for my sickly children. We can use our sick time for other family members since it's really PTO. Fortunately I can convert ot to vacation time.
 
This is so shortsighted. Sick workers aren't productive. Sick workers in a cramped area will mean infecting the other workers. Unhappy workers are also less productive.
 
Hey, guys--you know what will fix this? Deregulation, am I right?

Signed,

The GOP
 
I get 2 weeks paid sick leave where I work. An incentive to not abuse it is they will convert a week of it to paid vacation the following year if you don't take it all.
 
Foffy said:
B-but it's bad! You have to wait weeks to see a health care provider!!

I envy you moose people up there in Canada. Got room for a New Yorkian?
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Wanna know what's awesome? When I have more than 5 days in bank, my boss is calling me to ask me if I want a couple days off.
 
Cereal KiIIer said:
60 years would be 1950, which was the best time the US ever had.
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Yeah, my thought process was "at least 60 years" which means before the 1950s, when America really made social and economical progress. But off course, I could be more blunt and say "set back 110 years" to be sure. ;)
 
Cereal KiIIer said:
Wanna know what's awesome? When I have more than 5 days in bank, my boss is calling me to ask me if I want a couple days off.
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Gosh, what do you do? I mean, I don't want a job that offers a super abundance of vacation, but I worry living in the US will mean I will be working until I'm sick, and thensome. ):

It, along with many other things here make me feel like when I'm a little older and have a better grasp of what I want to do with myself is to move to another country and go from there.
 
BobTheFork said:
I don't think many places with small margins like fast foods resturants could deal with employees nbanking sick leave so I'm not surprised they are fighting this.
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Poor Yum! Brands, only making $589 million in operating profits in 2010.

Enron said:
I think this is mainly for the fast food industry as mentioned in the article - because just about every other firm in america encourages you to take the day off if you are sick so you don't infect everyone else and wreak havoc on productivity.
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How is that different for fast food companies? If anything it's worse, not only could a sick employee infect coworkers and affect productivity, but also infect customers.
 
Naked Snake said:
Poor Yum! Brands, only making $589 million in operating profits in 2010.



How is that different for fast food companies? If anything it's worse, not only could a sick employee infect coworkers and affect productivity, but also infect customers.
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Because it's fast food.....tons of hourly employees that are easily replaceable. They don't want them to show up for work sick....they just don't want to pay them if they don't show up for work.
 
Foffy said:
Gosh, what do you do? I mean, I don't want a job that offers a super abundance of vacation, but I worry living in the US will mean I will be working until I'm sick, and thensome. ):

It, along with many other things here make me feel like when I'm a little older and have a better grasp of what I want to do with myself is to move to another country and go from there.
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I'm a janitor foreman. It's a temporary job until I finish trade school. I make 15$/h, full insurance, 1 month off, tons of sick days, and I'm a member of a union.
 
YUM Brands wants to encourage their employees to spread diseases. As if the food wasn't already bad enough for you.
 
Souldriver said:
Yeah, my thought process was "at least 60 years" which means before the 1950s, when America really made social and economical progress. But off course, I could be more blunt and say "set back 110 years" to be sure. ;)
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Needs more turn of the century time, before unions and labor laws.
 
The food industry is so bad--crazy hours, bad pay, physically demanding work, no benefits, etc. One of the big reason fast food is so cheap.
 
Cereal KiIIer said:
I'm a janitor foreman. It's a temporary job until I finish trade school. I make 15$/h, full insurance, 1 month off, tons of sick days, and I'm a member of a union.
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Being a member of a union helps really, really well with getting insurance and sick days, or at least it does here. The state (NY) doesn't fuck with my dad with all of the hard work he did when he worked Sanitation.

I just hope I'm about to luck out like he did, but I worry with the way things are I'll have a weaker life than he did. I'll probably be working until I die (he's been retired since he was 49) ):
 
Foffy said:
Being a member of a union helps really, really well with getting insurance and sick days, or at least it does here. The state (NY) doesn't fuck with my dad with all of the hard work he did when he worked Sanitation.

I just hope I'm about to luck out like he did, but I worry with the way things are I'll have a weaker life than he did. I'll probably be working until I die (he's been retired since he was 49) ):
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We had the full package before joining an union. The sick days are mandatory with the labour laws in the province I think. The vacation month is standard around here for 5+ years in the same company.
 
Fuck this, I'm out. Who has that flying into the sunset jpeg for me to use? Disgusts me that as we struggle through this economic quagmire more and more is being stripped from the common worker.
 
Well, I can see why companies would want it. Fast food places for example, they bulk of employees that likely qualify for Sick Leave would be Management, which many Fast Food Restaurants have no room for error in scheduling.

Right now, Corporations have the big stick in the bargaining table though. Many low level jobs don't need you, they have 10 people at any second in line to replace you. As such, their benefits don't really need to be competitive.

States and cities likely shouldn't buckle on sick leave laws, but the local politicians should know the economic climate of their city and states better then internet arm chair analysts.

Jhriad said:
Fuck this, I'm out. Who has that flying into the sunset jpeg for me to use? Disgusts me that as we struggle through this economic quagmire more and more is being stripped from the common worker.
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I don't think you realize the meaning of the picture. The plane flying into the sunset implies you are going to a foreign land because you are sexually attracted to their people. You want the Futurama "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" image.
 
wait until you can't take days off to tend to your sick child

the land of Pro-Life Conservatives don't care about the well being of your sick child and won't let you take sick leave to care for your kid
 
teh_pwn said:
YUM Brands wants to encourage their employees to spread diseases. As if the food wasn't already bad enough for you.
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In my opinion the quality across all of their product lines has gone way down, which is sad because I used to love Taco Bell.

What's upsetting about this to me is that the people who are working in jobs like these are the ones who need the flexibility of sick time the most. In many salaried positions sick time is a superfluous perk because you are paid your salary with less regard to the number of hours you work. Mine is like that. Nobody is watching to make sure that I'm on the clock for a minimum number of hours and they don't pay me more when I work more than 40. So it evens out. Hourly workers without sick time just don't get paid when they're sick, which is going to make people come in when they shouldn't because they can't afford to be sick. It's also going to make them resent their jobs. I don't like visiting a place where they people working hate to be there.

This is such a bad idea.
 
gutter_trash said:
wait until you can't take days off to tend to your sick child

the land of Pro-Life Conservatives don't care about the well being of your sick child and won't let you take sick leave to care for your kid
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Well, it is to be noted that this is for paid sick leave. There are federal laws mandating unpaid leave, such that you can't get fired for those things.

ronito said:
In capitalist America: If you get sick you lose your job. If you lose your job you lose your insurance.
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And insurance companies laugh all the way to the bank.
 
Drkirby said:
Well, it is to be noted that this is for paid sick leave. There are federal laws mandating unpaid leave, such that you can't get fired for those things.
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where I work, you can use payed sick leave to tend to your sick child,

competition between rival developers were bringing in better plans to deal with workers now becoming parents and the work force growing into their 30s with family oriented sympathies

last decade, the workforce were young, in their 20s. Now these people have families and the demand to respect family life is growing
 
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