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Could UFC champion Ronda Rousey be competitive against male fighters?
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RockTurtle
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sure. with genetic engineering probably.
and even then, that's if men aren't getting genetically modified.
EDIT: n/m didnt notice the B
Not with Dragonzord power she can't.
Le_Samourai
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First of all, the top guys in her weight class and below have better technique that her, and are faster and stronger.
She is heavier than Dodson would you like to see her fight him?
BronsonLee
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I feel like it's partially my fault for allowing that derail. God knows I should've known Baikal wasn't operating on any form of reality
k so back to the topic at hand. Would Ronda Rousey beat Michael Jordan in his prime?
k so back to the topic at hand. Would Ronda Rousey beat Michael Jordan in his prime?
poppabk
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Going back to 1930's men in the same weight category were destroying Zhou Lulu's record.
freenudemacusers
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You should never, ever, ever ever underestimate what HolyBaikal is capable of!
Ever!
Is he in or out of his Zord?
LyleLanley
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I know HolyBaikal is banned but I'm genuinely curious to know if the gap in swimming records has actually become smaller over time.
That is an interesting one. I think if Ronda manages to clinch at least one of Jordan's legs, she might have a chance. Of course the issue is we all know, from Space Jam, what kind of tricks Michael Jordan has up his sleeves.
I personally feel it would be really unfair if the Green Ranger wasn't allowed to use his Zord. It needs to be as fair as possible.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
I totally hear you and the irony and hypocrisy in my post is very well highlighted by your viewpoint. I'm the one having a hard time separating the image of inter-gender full contact martial arts and violence against women and that can't obviously supersede someone's personal decision.
I also this issue of mine veers away from the spirit of the discussion but i wanted to say i agree with you.
Le_Samourai
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Well if he fell while entering the octagon and hurt himself badly, then she would have a chance.
Not a lot. For instance, the absolute time difference in the 50m free has shrunk slightly in the last few decades, but the proportional difference has actually gotten a tiny bit bigger. In some events if you look back really far (i.e. the 50s) the women's times start to get pretty far behind, but the current course has been holding since maybe the 70s or so.
I'd like to see Ms. Olympia with some training in the ring. Clearly smaller than Mr. Olympia but damn. Pretty impressive.Mr. and Ms. Olympia winners in the same year
Holy Bananas please stop embarrassing yourself, it's not even close.
BronsonLee
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Great, now I have an image of Rousey going for a judo throw and Jordan's arm just stretching forever instead of pulling him to the ground. He's got dat Mr. Fantastic advantage
Vermillion
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Not quite. Many people seem to expect that because men have the strength/speed advantage, a woman could have the technique advantage. But the fact is that at the top level of these sports, you're talking technique that us every bit as fine across genders, but with more speed and strength added on the men's side.
Diprosalic
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muscles like that are not very helpful in the ring.
The worst part about dealing with an insane person under these circumstances is having to assert the overall athletic inferiority of women, which makes you feel like a total asshole to point out over and over. I have utmost respect for women in sports, especially combat sports which are brutally difficult and usually have extreme male:female ratios. It's normal for women to have to spar with men in BJJ, for example, due to lack of available sparring partners. Every time I've fought a girl in BJJ, there's always a size and strength advantage my way, and I've had girls turn purple fighting underneath me just from gravity and strength differences, but none of the girls have ever said a word in protest or ever stopped trying to win until an actual submission moment. Can't say the same for guys when there's a significant size/strength/skill difference.
The fact that Ronda achieved the top of the game in women's MMA, and a high level of proficiency in general, speaks volumes about her tenacity and fighting spirit, on many different levels.
The fact that Ronda achieved the top of the game in women's MMA, and a high level of proficiency in general, speaks volumes about her tenacity and fighting spirit, on many different levels.
I agree at the top level skills are likely to be similar (especially due to technological advances which allow athletes to be recorded and analyzed (as well as copied)). Just saying that there's a possibility.
RockTurtle
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First of all all the top guys in her weight class and below have better technique that her, and are faster and stronger.
She is heavier than Dodson would you like to see her fight him?
shit, im like a foot taller and 30 pounds heavier and he looks too jittery to take on :/
FinalStageBoss
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No male fighter would take that fight..Ronda would get destroyed and he'd be left with a PR disaster.
BronsonLee
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It really does irritate me to do that here (I've had to do it twice in this damn thread alone), when people should really take Rousey's accomplishments as what they are; numerous, insane, and astoundingly impressive.
She's trained in judo since she was a kid, she's got Olympic level judo, and she translated it to MMA perfectly. The reason she runs through people so quickly is because she's got a pet hold that she knows a bajillion different ways into, and her throw technique is unmatched. You can't prepare for Rousey, because nobody else has the skills she does. It's that simple. The only person who got closest was Tate, who did it via trolling the fuck out of Rousey and having experience fighting her, and she barely got out of the first round.
LyleLanley
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Thanks for this.
I'm sorry, i don't follow MMA, would guys mind explaining me the reasoning here?
Weight categories are made for fairness, but she is a grown woman, and if she wants to test out her skill or whatever, if she wants to fight, why is anyone else's business? It's not like it has to be an official tournament fight. And what does domestic violence has to do with it?
As for the danger, i get that, but you're always in danger when you get on the ring, and again, no one is forcing anyone, it'd be her choice.
EDIT: For clarity, i was thinking of a "one off" sort of thing, not like inserting her in the male league or anything like that, if that makes any sense.
Vermillion
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Potentially, if only based on the fact that women's athletics were even more underfunded and underappreciated when they were first allowed to compete versus now.
I guess that's fair.
Rentahamster
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You'd think that out of all the heavily physical spots for mixed sex competition, MMA would be one of the best suited since it pairs you up based on weight. There would still be disadvantages for the women, but there would be a lot of ways for skill to overcome them compared to say, football or basketball, for example.
NobleGundam
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First off Floyd Mayweather is only a boxer. Now if you had chosen someone of his height, weight, training and compared it with Rhonda than that would be fair enough. Rhonda would easily destroy Floyd in a Octagon.
uncredited male
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Succinctly put.
I have found over time that good intentions or not these kind of discussions tend to degrade the accomplishments of the women competitors which is sad.
DonasaurusRex
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if we are using that logic then Rousey cannot stand up at all...ever in the match. And what is stopping mayweather from moving out of the way of a takedown or blocking the tackle? he wont have on boxing gloves he'd have on mma gloves. He'll be able to grab, push all kinds of stuff he isn't allowed to do in a boxing ring.
Basically if you serve Mayweather up on a platter to someone who knows judo the result is the same as the Ali debacle, the bullshit fight with Gene La Bell vs some 3rd ranked boxer, James Toney who hasn't worked out in 25 years vs Randy C, Ron Mercers fat self vs some kick boxer. All a joke None of these guys were the top in Judo/MMA nor were any of the boxers top of boxing at the time.
Furthermore, neither athlete from either sport would waste a fight doing something like boxing vs mma or mma vs muy thai / kickboxing if they were in their prime. For what?
Jmanunknown
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John Dodson is a freak athlete he can dunk a basketball at 5' 3" he also owns a knockout victory over the current featherweight champion TJ Dillashaw.
As for Ronda she probably could not beat the guys in her weight class. The Womens 135 pound weight class is probably the worst or second worst in the along with the UFC heavyweights.
Le_Samourai
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Hope your kidding, in mma you punch people not play with a ball, fighting is way worse, a good part of the matches end with one person unconscious.
the current womens world record was beaten by the last place men's finalist that year. by 14 seconds.
doesn't seem to be very close.
Mister Wilhelm
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Oh sure, if Floyd can literally out sprint her after landing a single jab for 15 mins, that strategy will work.
Oh wait, it would be in a ring/cage and that is completely silly.
Ronda is one of the best judoka on the fucking planet, especially around her weight class. If she fights at her weight class she'd have no problem beyond just a larger pool of fighters with more extensive training compared to what she fights now. She'd still be able to submit anyone in the division though, and I don't care how brostrong you think you are, she'd kill pretty much any human with no combat training in minutes.
Nah, I think the best college team would have more than a chance.
I don't like seeing women fighting regardless, but there is no way they can compete and it would be pretty fucked up for it to happen and I don't think any dude would step in the ring and do it. Unless they don't plan on swinging and going for a submission without any strikes.
Le_Samourai
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Floyd is actually great in the clinch, much better at closing or preventing closing the the distance on him that Ronda, who only can take people down from the clinch.
http://fightland.vice.com/blog/wrestling-practice-with-james-toney-and-floyd-mayweather
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A More Normal Bird
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It doesn't. MMA isn't a sport with leagues or seasons as such, just fights (tournaments are rare nowadays, especially in the UFC). If Ronda was to fight a man in the UFC it would require the promotion to support it and the relevant athletic commission to sanction it, neither of which are going to happen.
This is offset by the nature of the sport; in fact, the very existence of weight classes reveals how much of an impact strength and power advantages have in combat sports. For another example, look at records for men and women in racing sports (swimming, running etc...) which don't have weight classes compared to those in strength sports (Olympic weightlifting, powerlifting) which do. Women's records average around 90% of men's in the former, but are closer to 80% in the latter.
A sport like MMA adds an extra wrinkle in that fighters generally cut weight to weigh in and refeed/hydrate for fight day, something that male bodies with their lower essential fat levels and higher muscular development are better at. Even if they both weigh in at 135lbs, it would not be unusual for the male fighter to regain more weight than the female fighter come fight time.
Nah, college football team would get stomped by even the last place NFL team, NFL Pro's are some of the premier athletes in the world, it's incredibly hard to play in the NFL. The skill gap is vast.
entremet
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I believe Bakai identifies as a woman.
Thread reminds of the Battle of the Sexes in tennis with the William sisters. There isn't a doubt in my mind male and female athletes are worthy of the same respect for their efforts, however, you can't argue with biology.
Ok, thanks for the clarification.
My initial argument was that if she wanted to fight, and someone wanted to fight her back, i didn't see why they wouldn't let her (despite the potential disparity).
And that's what i still don't have very clear.
Is it just health concern, or there's other reasons? Beyond the likelihood of her winning the match, i mean.
LyleLanley
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The best college team wouldn't have the smallest chance against an NFL team.
HOMEBOY OVER HERE
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probably. CM punk is in the ufc.
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