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Covid 19 Thread: [no bitching about masks of Fauci edition]

ntropy

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A few percent of the vaccine skeptics may get vaccinated soon after all, especially those who are critical of mRNA vaccines. Valneva has developed an inactivated vaccine and it is already in phase 3 clinical trials, which could be completed in early Q4. The UK has already ordered 100 million doses.

Valneva is the first and so far the only manufacturer whose vaccine is a inactivated vaccine, i.e. an old known technology, just like the vaccine against polio, influenza and many more.
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
A few percent of the vaccine skeptics may get vaccinated soon after all, especially those who are critical of mRNA vaccines. Valneva has developed an inactivated vaccine and it is already in phase 3 clinical trials, which could be completed in early Q4. The UK has already ordered 100 million doses.

Valneva is the first and so far the only manufacturer whose vaccine is a inactivated vaccine, i.e. an old known technology, just like the vaccine against polio, influenza and many more.

The Johnson & Johnson vaccine already does that.
 

betrayal

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The Johnson & Johnson vaccine already does that.

Yes, that is true in essence, but Valneva's vaccine is based on chemically deactivated coronaviruses.

J&J is a vector vaccine that has so far only been used for Ebola and dengue fever and with which, similarly to mRNA vaccines, there is little real-world experience. A vector vaccine also is a genetically manipulated dead vaccine. This is often an argument used by vaccine skeptics.

J&J is therefore not really comparable to Valneva, because their technology has been used for decades, as with the already proven vaccines against influenza, polio, etc.
 
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BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Yes, that is true in essence, but Valneva's vaccine is based on chemically deactivated coronaviruses.

J&J is a vector vaccine that has so far only been used for Ebola and dengue fever and with which, similarly to mRNA vaccines, there is little real-world experience. A vector vaccine also is a genetically manipulated dead vaccine. This is often an argument used by vaccine skeptics.

J&J is therefore not really comparable to Valneva, because their technology has been used for decades, as with the already proven vaccines against influenza, polio, etc.

Ah, OK. My apologies. I thought J&J used a disabled coronavirus, thanks. They use a disabled adenovirus.
 
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Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Tragic :messenger_loudly_crying:


Davy Macias, a mother of five and registered nurse who had been caring for patients since the beginning of the pandemic, died Thursday after being hospitalized with COVID-19.

Davy was seven months pregnant and not been vaccinated against the virus. Doctors delivered her baby after she was intubated. Her husband, a middle school teacher, remains in critical condition.

"He was trying to breathe and said, if anyone is not vaccinated, I suggest you do now," she said.
 

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Tragic :messenger_loudly_crying:


Tragic fate, but these were two overweight people and both did not get vaccinated despite being overweight. She was only 37 years old and would very likely have survived without overweight and/or underlying health issues or a pregnancy, which can increase the risk of severe illness by about 80% (just like influenza etc.).

Germany also keeps good statistics by age, which tends to be applicable to other countries.

In her age group (30-39), only 1 in 5,000 people die, and that's without adjusting for risk factors. So if you include diabetes, obesity, heart disease, lung disease, etc., the chance of dying decreases. Also you need to consider that this number is the CFR and not the more important IFR. If you look at the IFR, then this number drops again very drastically. At the end a healthy 30-39y old has a official CFR of 0.02%, but a IFR of 0.00x%.

Sources: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105465/coronavirus-covid-19-cases-age-group-germany/
 
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FunkMiller

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Im religious and have been most of my life. I'm in full support of this vaccine and encourage anyone and everyone to get it. Strongly against these idiots anti vaxxers too. My immediately family is all vaccinated as well.

I dont think this is purely religious. Theres almost no religious that advises against health measures vaccination or not. I think this is another symptom of rhe increase in tribalism this country as seen, and political extremism, which religion is being used to validate.

Believing God is going to protect you from a virus is not logical from any standpoint. Its flippant, destructive behavior that a lot of these fundamentalists would supposedly know if they'd actually read their texts. But most using God as a scapegoat do not anyway.

Folks just need to swallow their pride and get the shot.

Oh, it’s not purely religion. Of course it’s not. But I’m sure a large degree of the hardcore anti-vaxxers will be religious - evangelical Christians. The more benign, less crazy denominations are probably a lot more sensible.
 
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CAB_Life

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It's not. Browse some of the subreddits dedicated to tracking them on social media. A lot more young and healthy people are dying, and there were always plenty being hospitalized during waves. Besides, does it matter? A life is a life. Everyone should still be vaccinated.
Just because you are young doesn't mean you are healthy. I'd argue that most people have no idea how to attain optimal health and even going to the gym or being a beefcake don't cut it since they're now discovering that anabolic steroid users are also adversely affected by Covid.

Being "healthy" includes almost all of the following, without exception:
  • No smoking, drinking, drugs.
  • No metabolic conditions (diabetes, hypertension).
  • 90 minutes of vigorous exercise at least 5 days per week.
  • NO VISCERAL FAT AROUND THE MIDSECTION (emphasis on this given all the recent data and studies).
  • Adequate sleep, rest and hydration.
  • Excellent nutrition.
  • No anabolic steroid use.
  • Little to no stress and reduced cortisol levels.
If you tick all those boxes you are healthy. If not, then you do not meet the requirements--as outlined by the data we've seen--to consider yourself in that demographic. We need to be very careful when using terms like young and healthy, when such a miniscule percentile is actually that.
 

QSD

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Just because you are young doesn't mean you are healthy. I'd argue that most people have no idea how to attain optimal health and even going to the gym or being a beefcake don't cut it since they're now discovering that anabolic steroid users are also adversely affected by Covid.

Being "healthy" includes almost all of the following, without exception:
  • No smoking, drinking, drugs.
  • No metabolic conditions (diabetes, hypertension).
  • 90 minutes of vigorous exercise at least 5 days per week.
  • NO VISCERAL FAT AROUND THE MIDSECTION (emphasis on this given all the recent data and studies).
  • Adequate sleep, rest and hydration.
  • Excellent nutrition.
  • No anabolic steroid use.
  • Little to no stress and reduced cortisol levels.
If you tick all those boxes you are healthy. If not, then you do not meet the requirements--as outlined by the data we've seen--to consider yourself in that demographic. We need to be very careful when using terms like young and healthy, when such a miniscule percentile is actually that.
Although generally I agree with your points about physical health being an underappreciated part of covid health policy, I'd say that you're at risk here of making the best an enemy of the good. Even if someone hits a few of these markers, their chances for survival and recovery increase I'd wager. Also, although a lot of these you can work on, especially the last point is well beyond the control of most working people. Even if they are well-intentioned and motivated, their job may be extremely demanding.
 

CAB_Life

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Although generally I agree with your points about physical health being an underappreciated part of covid health policy, I'd say that you're at risk here of making the best an enemy of the good. Even if someone hits a few of these markers, their chances for survival and recovery increase I'd wager. Also, although a lot of these you can work on, especially the last point is well beyond the control of most working people. Even if they are well-intentioned and motivated, their job may be extremely demanding.
You’re right, in that ”every step toward a healthy biome helps.” I don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water. However, for the purposes of statistical analysis from the data from the South Korean cohort and similar studies, that’s how the scientists quantify “healthy/ fit/ etc.”. So while I completely agree with you, I want to stress that we need to make that distinction when bringing up matter of “healthy“ people contracting Covid. We’re talking almost elite level athletes with few variations.

I do think we’ll see broader testing and research on various degrees of health, though, such as that recent study that looked specifically at nurses—vaccinated—whose primary distinguisher was (low vs high) visceral abdominal fat. A marker that actually decreased vaccine efficacy the higher the fat went, which is kinda frightening. Visceral fat is really the big one imo, it’s a catalyst for so many other negative reactions in our biomes and apparently on vaccines too.
 

QSD

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You’re right, in that ”every step toward a healthy biome helps.” I don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water. However, for the purposes of statistical analysis from the data from the South Korean cohort and similar studies, that’s how the scientists quantify “healthy/ fit/ etc.”. So while I completely agree with you, I want to stress that we need to make that distinction when bringing up matter of “healthy“ people contracting Covid. We’re talking almost elite level athletes with few variations.

I do think we’ll see broader testing and research on various degrees of health, though, such as that recent study that looked specifically at nurses—vaccinated—whose primary distinguisher was (low vs high) visceral abdominal fat. A marker that actually decreased vaccine efficacy the higher the fat went, which is kinda frightening. Visceral fat is really the big one imo, it’s a catalyst for so many other negative reactions in our biomes and apparently on vaccines too.
Yeah you posting about the abdominal fat thing helped me to ditch the pasta in favour of brown rice again this week so otherwise I salute you.
 

Kilau

Member
Anyone have experience with monoclonal antibody treatments? I spoke with my doctor today and he recommended 8 months for a booster (that would be November for me) and seeing how hard this can still hit vaccinated folks has me on edge.

If I get exposed or test positive I want to start antibody treatments ASAP.
 

Punished Miku

Human Rights Subscription Service
Anyone have experience with monoclonal antibody treatments? I spoke with my doctor today and he recommended 8 months for a booster (that would be November for me) and seeing how hard this can still hit vaccinated folks has me on edge.

If I get exposed or test positive I want to start antibody treatments ASAP.
We administered to multiple immunocompromised patients really early. No one died at our facility, and that's probably a part of the reason why. But then people who got the infusion had to wait a certain amount of time to get their vaccine. Our medical director decided to administer them prophylactically to high risk patients, and not as treatment once symptoms started. So kinda different from what I've heard the usual plan is with this. This was last year though during the first major COVID spikes, before vaccines were widely available. From what I understand they work pretty well? I haven't really heard a lot about it after vaccines were easily available.

This article is more recent.


Looks like they're still recommending only for high risk patients, and still recommending waiting 90 days after the infusion before getting the vaccine, so that would delay your November date a bit, but that's normal.
 
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Kilau

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We administered to multiple immunocompromised patients really early. No one died at our facility, and that's probably a part of the reason why. But then people who got the infusion had to wait a certain amount of time to get their vaccine. Our medical director decided to administer them prophylactically to high risk patients, and not as treatment once symptoms started. So kinda different from what I've heard the usual plan is with this. This was last year though during the first major COVID spikes, before vaccines were widely available. From what I understand they work pretty well? I haven't really heard a lot about it after vaccines were easily available.

This article is more recent.


Looks like they're still recommending only for high risk patients, and still recommending waiting 90 days after the infusion before getting the vaccine, so that would delay your November date a bit, but that's normal.
Okay thanks, it's good to hear from someone that knows about it and that it works. It's just an option I'm keeping in mind as my vaccine protection continues to decrease. Seems like here in Florida anyone can get the treatment if they test positive and there is a site not far from me. Hopefully I won't ever need to pursue that.
 

Punished Miku

Human Rights Subscription Service
Okay thanks, it's good to hear from someone that knows about it and that it works. It's just an option I'm keeping in mind as my vaccine protection continues to decrease. Seems like here in Florida anyone can get the treatment if they test positive and there is a site not far from me. Hopefully I won't ever need to pursue that.
I'm definitely not an expert on it or an ICU nurse, but I've heard nothing but good things about it really. If it's available and you're worried, couldn't really hurt to check it out.
 

azertydu91

Hard to Kill

azertydu91

Hard to Kill
I still buy amiibos, so I guess I shouldn't judge.
Are they effective against covid?.....Now I hope this reply won't start a trend of amibos curing covid ,I feel like any post about a miraculous remedy is instantly taken seriously by hardcore antivax.
Like a few weeks ago the Dr that was the first to talk about HCQ was telling that vick's vaporub helped avoid geeting the covid ... To which Vick denied instantly even though it might boost their sales substantially.
 

Thaedolus

Member
My state just had a situation similar to that vet in Texas who died because of a lack of ICU beds. Thankfully one opened up after a few hours and they were able to transfer, but just another example of another red state with large anti vaccine and mask movements fucking it up for the rest of us with their “personal choices.”
 
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12Goblins

Lil’ Gobbie
Oh, it’s not purely religion. Of course it’s not. But I’m sure a large degree of the hardcore anti-vaxxers will be religious - evangelical Christians. The more benign, less crazy denominations are probably a lot more sensible.
I've noticed what the most ardent antivaxers tend to have in common is their religious upbringing and a dysfunctional ability to feel shame. to me, a healthy amount of feeling shame is necessary for sincere self reflection, and these people just never learned how to use embarrassment, shame, or guilt for self evaluation and have become somewhat cognitively stunted as a result. A lack of shame combined with a religious upbringing makes for a powerful combination that gives rise to a strong sense of self righteousness and authority on issues they sometimes clearly understand nothing about. not to mention we can see this trait in all tyrants...
 

Thaedolus

Member
I've noticed what the most ardent antivaxers tend to have in common is their religious upbringing and a dysfunctional ability to feel shame. to me, a healthy amount of feeling shame is necessary for sincere self reflection, and these people just never learned how to use embarrassment, shame, or guilt for self evaluation and have become somewhat cognitively stunted as a result. A lack of shame combined with a religious upbringing makes for a powerful combination that gives rise to a strong sense of self righteousness and authority on issues they sometimes clearly understand nothing about. not to mention we can see this trait in all tyrants...
Where would you get these ideas?

 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Im religious and have been most of my life. I'm in full support of this vaccine and encourage anyone and everyone to get it. Strongly against these idiots anti vaxxers too. My immediately family is all vaccinated as well.

I dont think this is purely religious. Theres almost no religious that advises against health measures vaccination or not. I think this is another symptom of rhe increase in tribalism this country as seen, and political extremism, which religion is being used to validate.

Believing God is going to protect you from a virus is not logical from any standpoint. Its flippant, destructive behavior that a lot of these fundamentalists would supposedly know if they'd actually read their texts. But most using God as a scapegoat do not anyway.

Folks just need to swallow their pride and get the shot.
From what I can tell, it's mostly in the religiously fundamentalist offshoots. Those who are more inclined to fundamentalist beliefs would naturally be more accustomed to rigid and dogmatic thinking patterns.

It's not a surprise to me that the more fundamentalist types that also deny evolution or don't know how it works also don't understand or refuse to understand the real time evolution tracking of the variants and what the implications are from it.
 

RAÏSanÏa

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Dairy Queen customer urinates at counter after mask dispute on Vancouver Island​


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People shouldn't take the law into their own hands.

Complaints of should be handled by the police before the waterworks get turned on.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
New video from Dr. John about how, as time goes on, the likelihood of everyone being exposed to this virus is probably a certainty.




We could have greatly reduced the spread of this virus or potentially even eliminated it with 90%+ vaccination rates and smart mitigation strategies, but it seems our global logistics and will as a society were not up to the task, sadly. As the days pass, our window of opportunity for that is less and less likely, and more experts put this virus into the endemic category.
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!

dave_d

Member
Apparently the ivermectin subreddit is currently being bombarded with posts containing furry horse porn.

Sunglasses Horse GIF by MOODMAN
I don't even understand how ivermectin would work on Covid. (I looked it up, it works on insects.) I mean at least with HCQ I could understand a theoretical mechanism. (Preventing a cytokine storm but you'd be better off with corticosteroids like dexamethasone than that.)
 

dave_d

Member
New video from Dr. John about how, as time goes on, the likelihood of everyone being exposed to this virus is probably a certainty.




We could have greatly reduced the spread of this virus or potentially even eliminated it with 90%+ vaccination rates and smart mitigation strategies, but it seems our global logistics and will as a society were not up to the task, sadly. As the days pass, our window of opportunity for that is less and less likely, and more experts put this virus into the endemic category.

I don't know about that. I've read it infects dogs and cats. If that's true and the amount of feral cats around it would be bitch to get under control.
 

Aug. 30—Duke University has set new restrictions to mitigate the spread of COVID-19 as cases are surging on the Durham campus despite its vaccine mandate.

In the first week of classes, 304 undergraduates, 45 graduate students and 15 employees tested positive for COVID-19. All but eight of these individuals were vaccinated
 
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