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Thaedolus
Member
Do vaccinated people end up in the hospital at anywhere close to the same rate? Do they take up ICU beds at the same rate? Did I not also mention masks? Hey maybe try not to cherry pick out the one thing you think might prove your flawed analysis rightWhat's become clear with the delta variant is that everyone spread the virus, vaccinated or not. In fact, some vaccinated people may be the worst spreaders, since they carry the virus but may be largely asymptomatic.
How do vaccinated people spread Delta? What the science says
Emerging data suggest that Delta could spread more readily than other coronavirus variants among people vaccinated against COVID-19. But key questions remain.www.nature.com
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
He's taking Z-paks? I don't believe azithromycin has been proven to do anything. Kitchen sink approach, for sure.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I figured that he'd take COVID more seriously after seeing what his friend Michael Yo went through, but I guess not.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
He has spent his whole career making money off morons. Why stop now?
Wait, predinsone? That's an immunosuppressant. I mean I know people take dexamethasone to prevent a cytokine storm but I'd be really careful taking anything like that if I it wasn't an immediate concern. Is he vaccinated?
Joe Rogan Announces He Has COVID
Joe Rogan, the mega-popular podcaster who has questioned the necessity of the COVID vaccine on his show, revealed he has coronavirus.variety.com
ManaByte
Gold Member
No he's strongly anti-vax.
Do people with covid have problems getting bacterial pneumonia via a secondary infection or something? (I haven't heard anything like that but I haven't been looking either.)
It's at times like these I wish we had a "face palm" emoji.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
Joe Rogan has a YOLO mentality and him getting COVID doesn’t surprise me he’s great for UFC, hunting, podcasts etc. anyone getting COVID is awful.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I just call that ignorance, but hey that's me.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Make the machine pump smoke up there. These people are clearly used to the feeling.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
I think most people who do the things he does mma, comedy have a 20% or more ignorance what’s your point? Because I agree he’s ignorant but there’s a smart person out there who also got COVID.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Ignorance and intelligence are two separate things. Extremely intelligent people make stupid decisions out of ignorance all the time.
Rogan is clearly an intelligent man, but he has a blind spot about 16 miles wide when it comes to conspiracy nonsense.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
IIRC there might have been some research that suggested azithromycin could have anti-viral properties in vitro, but when tested in vivo, it was a bunch of nothing. Same story that happened with HCQ, and what seems to be developing with IVM.
Makes sense, part of the treatment for rabies is antibody therapy. Unfortunately it's apparently quite expensive. (I'm guessing the same is true of covid.)
ManaByte
Gold Member
Something like $4,000 per treatment and most insurance won't cover it.
RAÏSanÏa
Member
The guy shotguns a spectrum of new treatments with different vectors, different and unknown effectiveness all at once. Probably didn't hurt himself but pinpointing what actually helped from the panic at the pharmacy ain't likely to happen. He went harder than Gwyneth.Joe Rogan Announces He Has COVID
Joe Rogan, the mega-popular podcaster who has questioned the necessity of the COVID vaccine on his show, revealed he has coronavirus.
Add him to the experimental battery of treatments pile for observation. Hope he didn't fuck himself up, if he did another cautionary tale.
Fear makes people do weird shit.
Won't vaccinate, but all this dosing seems logical.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
delirium trigger
Member
I'd be willing to bet that you'd actually prefer him to die.
"Hopefully he can live to tell."
Yea, I'm betting he'll be fine.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Oh please. Don't be like that.
That would be a safe bet. He's healthy and rich.
The only thing going against him (other than fucking up his alternative treatments) is his oldness, but he's not that old.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Nobody is wishing death on anyone here get out with that. I think Rogan is exploited for his ignorance and I have adamantly disliked him for years and even I wish him the best during this. Nobody deserves to die in the way that Covid takes you. No matter their beliefs or ignorant opinions.
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
180 teens and adults got COVID at a church youth camp and conference that didn't require testing or vaccination
More than 1,100 people from at least four states were exposed to COVID-19, either by attending the church activities or coming in close contact with someone who had.
www.cbsnews.com
Children's Hospitals Are Pleading For Federal Help As They Run Out Of Beds
Pediatric hospitals are "at or near capacity" and expect to see more young COVID-19 patients as the school year resumes, according to the Children's Hospital Association.
www.npr.org
Unfortunately there were people even here in this thread not too long ago, perhaps within the past week or so, who were absolutely dismayed that we acknowledged masks - combined with social distancing - help to vastly reduce the spread. Beyond just the common sense of it (cover mouth and nose, spread less particulates), there has been study after study after study confirming it. Some people are just too far gone, too anti-science.
The level of threat is not proportionate to the response. Not by a longshot. That's the crux of the matter.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
But it still doesn't change the fact that some of what you said is not authoritarianism like you claimed. Family, friends, and coworkers pressuring you to do the right thing is not authoritarianism. That is basic care and common sense. That is people who care about you trying to help you. Especially in a situation like this where it is so black and white.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I think you mean the level of complaining is not proportionate to the solution.
RAÏSanÏa
Member
^yesterday
today
cases - hosp - icu - deaths
BC: 785 - 199 - 112 - 2
AB: 1315 - 465 - 107 - 8
No changes to report. BC modeling from yesterday suggested that cases in the province will peak around 1200 in September. AB passed that today.
Thaedolus
Member
Only if you are brainwashed into thinking the collapse of the healthcare system and hundreds of thousands dead with hundreds of thousands more on their way to being dead, on top of continuing economic tolls and potential lifelong complications for millions of others, not much of a threat.
CrankyJay™
Member
Yeah, also there’s the viral load factor. I didn’t want to dip too much into it but there are a lot of variables at play.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Yeah but like my uncle's friend's brother's wife's cousin's palm-reader on facebook says that it ain't no big deal man. So I'm not too worried. Plus this poison flavored paste I got from tractor supply is fire.
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I didn't say it wasn't a threat. I said it's not proportionate to the response, which it isn't. If we're willing to abrogate all sorts of rights and freedoms and fundamentally change the nature of our society in order to combat a virus with this level of lethality, what would we do for a virus that was killing, say, 8-12% of all people it infected across all cohorts? The mind shudders.
I agree with you there. The specific parts which were authoritarian and chilling were the parts where he said that the unvaxxed "need to run out of options" and his implicit cheerleading of employers and businesses "forcing" people to get vaccinated. Not the parts about familial pressure etc. Hell, my own parents are constantly pressuring me to get vaxxed.
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delirium trigger
Member
Turns out he's been fine and that was part of his instragram video announcing he got covid but not surprisingly people wanted to leave that part.
Dr_Salt
Banned
There is already a crazy here saying that if you are spreading disinfo then you deserve "the worst" lol. I wouldn't he surprised if there are more like him.
He already posted a video saying he is fine and feels great 3 days after testing positive. It looked like he was even exercising or going for a walk at least.
pr0cs
Member
One look at social media and you realize the only thing holding people's tongues is moderation.
I also take issue with this constant underlying assumption that anyone who hasn't been vaxxed is some sort of Facebook-loving, doltish, ultra-religious and/or super-conservative caricature. I'm none of those things, and honestly the only news I read on FB is all PRO-Vaccine, PRO-mandate stuff in their "news" section. If things were that black and white, and everyone who hadn't been vaxxed was just "stupid" (as I have been called in this thread), then those with Ph.D's wouldn't be the most vaccine hesitant group from among the different levels of educational attainment.
The fervency and uniformity of opinion among certain folks re: vaccines is just another example of the polarization and group-think we've seen in many other sociopolitical areas the last 4-5 years.
The fervency and uniformity of opinion among certain folks re: vaccines is just another example of the polarization and group-think we've seen in many other sociopolitical areas the last 4-5 years.
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Toons
Member
If I did, I'd say it.
People living to learn and become wiser afterwards is always a better alternative than dying.
Thaedolus
Member
I didn't say you did, I said only if you've been brainwashed to think it's not much of one. As in: you have to be totally downplaying its threat to all of the things I listed if you're going to insist the balance between threat and response is off here.
Nobody's advocating (or at least, I'm not) abrogating all sorts of rights. I'm only in favor of leveraging what restrictions are sensible and legal, e.g. vaccines to fly, private companies requiring vaccines, school vaccinations, etc. Most, if not all, of these have legal precedent. Vaccine requirements aren't new. Authoritarianism isn't "whatever is required by the government that we decide we don't want to do."
Lord knows, because a disease with the transmissibility of COVID killing 8-12% of all infected would be the end of the world as we know it. You would be begging for lockdowns and shooting people for approaching without a mask. But we're not dealing with this doomsday hypothetical, so I'm not sure why you're going there.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Do you also take issue with the constant underlying assumption that anyone who is encouraging vaccinations is some sort of authoritarian? None of the people in this thread are any of those things.
The fervency and uniformity of opinion among certain folks re: vaccines is just another example of the polarization and group-think we've seen in many other sociopolitical areas the last 4-5 years.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
And those with Ph.Ds aren't the most vaccine hesitant group.
Turns out that people lie on Facebook questionaires.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
About that:
Fact check: Setting the record straight on claims about vaccine hesitancy among Ph.D.s
The Ph.D. group does not include medical doctors or nurses.
www.cbs17.com
Thaedolus
Member
LMFAO are you serious? The source of that was a facebook questionnaire ?
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
The majority of people from all sociopolitical backgrounds and demographic groups accept vaccines, because they're merely vaccines, and not sensational or mysterious. Just vaccines.
Meanwhile take a look at the body of people who reject vaccines, particularly these new vaccines, and witness groupthink as if it lept off the page of the dictionary and attacked you. The sharing of the same exact misinformation. The same memes. The same phrases and idioms. Oh there's groupthink alright, and we all know the source.
Sorry you feel you're being lumped in with them, but I mean, you could just stop being like them if you chose.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Yes and a lot of those 'PhD respondents' also identified their gender as things like 'apache helicopter'.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yup.
Researchers Identify Groups Hesitant About COVID-19 Vaccine
Pitt and CMU researchers found that COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy decreased by one-third this year, but some groups remain strongly reluctant.
www.upmc.com
Time trends and factors related to COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy from January-May 2021 among US adults: Findings from a large-scale national survey
Objective To understand COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy. Methods January 6 through May 31, 2021, 5,121,436 US adults completed an online COVID-19 survey. Weighted data was used to evaluate change in vaccine intent and correlates of May vaccine hesitancy. Results COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy decreased...
www.medrxiv.org
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Reddit bans COVID misinformation subreddit NoNewNormal
It's also putting 54 other subreddits in quarantine.
www.cnet.com
Took them long enough.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Turns out the data is being manipulated. I think this is the 2nd or 3rd separate complaint of Florida data being purposely altered.