Yes , same shots , just like the first and second are the same, I asked when I got my shots .
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Jaysen
Banned
If I was a moron, that’s exactly how I’d defend ingesting that stupid shit.
vpance
Member
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
The Alex Jones Hospital for the incredibly sane and tremendously intelligent.
FunkMiller
Member
Tiny pharmacy. Gigantic chapel.
FunkMiller
Member
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
So cunts are happy to take horse dewormer but won't take a vaccine.... Jesus humans are fucking idiots
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Only 3 things in the pharmacy. Horse paste, fish tank cleaner, and Tylenol.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I swear to God if this stuff proves out to help with Covid I'm moving to Virginia and starting a militia in the woods. The messaging around this is insane.
HawksWinStanley
Member
It seems that Ava doesn't understand that it is a drug that gets prescribed to humans but idiots are buying the animal version and dosing/consuming it improperly without consulting a doctor. And then their intestines are literally falling out of their asses.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
Her Twitter bio is just "Persuadable".
People are formulating a belief system around an unproven treatment with very little data available, and self-medicating dangerously, instead of getting vaccinated. Even Joe Rogan ended up going down that path. Medical science is about evidence, data, clinical trials, and verification, and patients being prescribed by their doctors. It's not about "I heard this on Facebook, where's the nearest stable?"
DaleinCalgary
Member
We are living in the golden age of stupidity
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I'm pretty sure she understands there are two versions. There's a pretty clear smear campaign going on to associate everyone who takes it as "horse pasters".
Maybe the smear campaign will save lives in the long run, as it may not be effective, but my God if it is...
funkygunther
Banned
If it is it'll be approved for use as a covid treatment
HawksWinStanley
Member
If anything the smear campaign is being perpetrated by her for saying it's not big deal because Africans are taking it, with a nice straw man thrown in calling everyone racist if they disagree. Africans not having access to the human version is a massive concern.
Understanding ivermectin for humans vs what's available for animal use. We speak to vet experts | Life
While human-use ivermectin will be allowed in special cases, and needed to be imported, experts warned against the use of animal ivermectin to treat Covid-19 in humans.
www.news24.com
And that's doctors voicing concern over the wellbeing of people taking Ivermectin for what it's actually supposed to be used for. So obviously people randomly dosing the animal version to treat something that hasn't even been proven to work on Covid is also getting criticized.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I get that. What I don't get is why there hasn't been a number of higher profile studies/trials initiated over the last 6 months to settle this topic once and for all? It seems to be sticking around longer than other false treatments (Hydroxocloroquine) which were everywhere for a few weeks.
QSD
Member
90% of it is just that horse related puns are too tempting
But, fine, I'll make it up to you, here's a song for the Ivermectin brigade:
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
The obvious reason is that you don't undergo trials to see if something doesn't work, you perform a trial to show it does. No-one has deemed it worthwhile so far although I believe there is a large scale trial in the UK maybe that someone referenced earlier in this thread.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Does that mean you're in agreement that nothing is proven yet? Good. The time to accept something is true, is when there is proof that it is true. Until then, you're just speculating on incomplete data. The jury is still out on ivermectin.
Ivermectin for preventing and treating COVID-19
www.cochrane.org
They're not done yet.
In fact, if you want to join one, some are still taking applicants.
UK: https://www.principletrial.org/
USA: https://dcri.org/activ-6-study/
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Both vaccinated and unvaccinated people can be infected with the virus and spread the virus, but the key point is that vaccinated people do so at a much less rate than unvaccinated people. The more people who are vaccinated, the less the virus spreads, and the less people suffer with severe illness or death.
See here for supporting evidence:
Covid 19 Thread: [no bitching about masks of Fauci edition]
Not sure how many people die from the flu where you are, but in the USA only 740 people died from the chinavirus from Mar 2020 - Mar 2021 with no comorbidities. This is according to the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/pdf/21_0123.pdf (chart on page 9) So please, do explain exactly how...
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
What in the world?
#1 - It's a fucking antiparasitic
#2 - We always planned to squash a serious pandemic with vaccines. How can anyone living in 2021 with at least some high school education not know this?
Testing, tracing, lockdowns / sheltering, basic health safety measures in public spaces (masking, social distancing), discover what treatments work or can be developed, and finally a vaccine. It's funny because they actually made a movie about all this years ago called Contagion, in which various experts were consulted, some of those experts went on to help develop our response to a future pandemic.
Nobody_Important
already mentioned it, but man it's funny how every few weeks a few "new" people pop back up repeating the same obvious and debunked lies again.
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juliushandle
Member
new Mu variant that can evade immunity.
can this new news be posted or has this been debunked in this thread already?
can this new news be posted or has this been debunked in this thread already?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
One of the reasons why I don't buy the "alternative treatments are being suppressed!!!!" arguments from Team Ivermectin is that therapeutics that prove to be helpful in treating COVID19 are still being studied and approved. Case in point, Baricitinib
en.wikipedia.org
If something is proven to work, it gets approved. Doctors all over the world are trying to find as many effective tools as possible, so it's insane to think that ivermectin is being suppressed.
Baricitinib - Wikipedia
If something is proven to work, it gets approved. Doctors all over the world are trying to find as many effective tools as possible, so it's insane to think that ivermectin is being suppressed.
Thesuffering79
Banned
Does that mean you're in agreement that nothing is proven yet? Good. The time to accept something is true, is when there is proof that it is true. Until then, you're just speculating on incomplete data. The jury is still out on ivermectin.
Ivermectin for preventing and treating COVID-19
They're not done yet.
In fact, if you want to join one, some are still taking applicants.
UK: https://www.principletrial.org/
USA: https://dcri.org/activ-6-study/
How can you trust a site that doesnt link the studies? Just curious. It seems low dosage IVM actually makes things worse.
Krolewiecki: Antiviral effect of high-dose ivermectin in adults with COVID-19: A proof-of-concept randomized trial
Krolewiecki, 41 patient ivermectin early treatment RCT: 66% improved viral load (p=0.09). Proof of concept RCT with 30 ivermectin patients and 15 control..
c19ivermectin.com
Hopefully the large studies you link takes this into account for a better picture.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Whatchu talking about???
juliushandle
Member
One of the reasons why I don't buy the "alternative treatments are being suppressed!!!!" arguments from Team Ivermectin is that therapeutics that prove to be helpful in treating COVID19 are still being studied and approved. Case in point, Baricitinib
Baricitinib - Wikipedia
If something is proven to work, it gets approved. Doctors all over the world are trying to find as many effective tools as possible, so it's insane to think that ivermectin is being suppressed.
you know what else is proven to be effective in preventing covid? weight loss, exercise, vitamin D.
when has any of these health experts that Rogan was suppose to follow ever mentionany of those things?
Thesuffering79
Banned
I am saying where can i look at the approved studies? AFAIK that site doesnt link them.Whatchu talking about???
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
You mean like Dr. Rhonda Patrick who's been mentioning that stuff her whole career?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Copy the name of the referenced study and Google it.
I know it's crazy. Using science and statistical data to show why it's better to get vaccinated than to not get vaccinated? I'm such an authoritarian. It's nuts.
You caught me.
No one said that science and data shouldn't inform decisions. However, at no point, barring the most extreme situations (of which COVID is certainly not one), should its conclusions carry more weight than an individual's right to bodily autonomy. I don't think anyone sane denies that there is a benefit to being vaccinated at this point. The data is too compelling. The question is the magnitude of that benefit (in terms of absolute risk reduction, not relative risk reduction), and whether it is enough to offset both the potential harms of the vaccine (i.e., the small risk of the known side effects) as well as the unknowns. And unfortunately, for me at least, the unknowns will not be answered for at least another 6-12 months. What is part of my "unknown" basket? Certainly not anything as outlandish as 5G sensitive nanoparticles which will be used to kill/control us at some undefined time in the future, or any other depopulation conspiracy theory (e.g. that it was intentionally designed to render people infertile). But I do have concerns around fertility (unintended), cancer prevalence, clotting/"thickening" of the blood, and immune functioning in the mid- to long-term given that this technology has never been deployed at scale prior to these vaccines.
Also, there is a threshold value for benefit that likely needs to be met for many people. It's not simply "hey look - the vaccine can benefit you!", it's the magnitude of the benefit which compels people to take positive action. An absolute risk reduction for certain cohorts from, say, a 1/40,000 chance of dying to 1/60,000 might not be enough.
Yes, certainly. That's completely rational. In a similar manner, health insurance should not cover bypass surgeries for obese people, liver transplants for alcoholics, and no life-saving care should ever be covered for drunk drivers who end up in accidents. Sane. Humane. Compassionate. Rational. Science.
Funny thing about your scenario is that the vast, VAST majority of folks who are refusing to take the vaccine now would in fact do so if such a disease came to pass. I know I certainly would. And that's because the risk/benefit calculation would make sense. It doesn't for COVID for me (and many others). But you can't apply the same measures or logic you would employ in that scenario to what is happening now, because the situations are too dissimilar.
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KiNeMz
Banned
Yea I've read that. But I haven't seen anything locally about this. But I haven't looked very hard. Ive only heard about this from people outside Australia. So I remain reserved on its validity for now.
Thesuffering79
Banned
From what you posted i dont see the name or the referenced study? That is what i meant by linking it. I was looking for references.
EDIT: NVM i got it.
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Twelve hours in a Florida COVID-19 ICU:
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www.tampabay.com
Florida nurses feel helpless as so many people die of COVID
On this ward at Morton Plant Hospital, nurses are overwhelmed by the number of new, desperate cases.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Lex Fridman's latest guest is one of the best I've heard in terms of speaking about viruses and vaccines.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Herd immunity goalposts are moving. Just wait. For December when they will say you need 110%
ktla.com
With delta variant circulating, L.A. County will need more than 80% vaccinated to reach herd immunity
With the highly contagious delta variant still predominant in Los Angeles County, public health officials say the region will no longer reach herd immunity against the coronavirus once 80% of eligi…
ktla.com
Thesuffering79
Banned
So from the accepted studies: Please note i assume most people are about 100kg so ~12mg means 0.2 micro grams per kilo
Seems high dose daily works. *shrugs*
Ahmed 2020 12mg dosed daily over 5 days(60mg total)
Positive effects
A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness - PubMed
Ivermectin, a US Food and Drug Administration-approved anti-parasitic agent, was found to inhibit severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) replication in vitro. A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial was conducted to determine the rapidity of viral clearance and...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Chaccour single ~48mg dose
No statistical differenceThe effect of early treatment with ivermectin on viral load, symptoms and humoral response in patients with non-severe COVID-19: A pilot, double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized clinical trial - PubMed
ISGlobal, Barcelona Institute for Global Health and Clínica Universidad de Navarra.
Chachar 48mg over 48hours
No statistical difference
Gonzalez single 12-18mg dose?(please check this, seems absurd but it is what i am reading)
No difference
Efficacy and safety of Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine in patients with severe COVID-19. A randomized controlled trial
Background In the search for active drugs against COVID-19, the indications of many have been redirected. Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine are drugs that inhibit viral replication in vitro and that have been used in several medical centers. Objectives This clinical trial analyzes the efficacy...www.medrxiv.org
Kirti 24mg over 2days
No difference in viral load but 4 less deathsIvermectin as a potential treatment for mild to moderate COVID-19 – A double blind randomized placebo-controlled trial
Objective Ivermectin has been suggested as a treatment for COVID-19.This randomised control trial was conducted to test the efficacy of Ivermectin in the treatment of mild and moderate COVID-19. Design Parallel, double blind, randomised, placebo controlled trial Setting: A tertiary care...
Kishoria 12mg once + HCQ and HCQ every day after
No benefit
Kroliweicki ~36mg per day for 5 days 180mg total
Low dose no statistical difference, high dose positive effects
Antiviral Effect of High-Dose Ivermectin in Adults with COVID-19: A Pilot Randomised, Controlled, Open Label, Multicentre Trial
Background: There are limited antiviral options for the treatment of patients with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) that have demonstrated clinical efficacyposeidon01.ssrn.com
Lopez-Medina 18mg a day for for 5 days
No statistical difference but 2 days less to recover(10 instead of 12days)(i dont understand why this isnt significant)Effect of Ivermectin on Time to Resolution of Symptoms Among Adults With Mild COVID-19: A Randomized Clinical Trial - PubMed
ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier: NCT04405843.
Mohan 24mg 12mg or placebo once
No statistical difference.Ivermectin in mild and moderate COVID-19 (RIVET-COV): a randomized, placebo-controlled trial
Introduction: Till date, no drug has shown definite benefit in non-severe COVID-19. Ivermectin is an antiparasitic drug which has in-vitro efficacy in reducing coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) load in severe disease. Objectives: To determine if a single oral ...www.researchsquare.com
Okumus ~12 mg a day for 5 days
Positive resultsEvaluation of the effectiveness and safety of adding ivermectin to treatment in severe COVID-19 patients - PubMed
According to the findings obtained, ivermectin can provide an increase in clinical recovery, improvement in prognostic laboratory parameters and a decrease in mortality rates even when used in patients with severe COVID-19. Consequently, ivermectin should be considered as an alternative drug...
Podder(article taken down??? in a couple of references) single dose ~12mg
No statistical difference
Pott-Junior SOC or SOC +~6, ~12, ~24mg per day
Positive effect for all 3 ivermectin use
Bukhari SOC+ 12mg once
Early clearance so positiveEfficacy of Ivermectin in COVID-19 Patients with Mild to Moderate Disease
Objective To evaluate the efficacy of ivermectin (IVM) as an addition to the standard of care (SOC) treatment in COVID-19 patients with mild and moderate disease Materials and Methods A randomized clinical trial (Trial registration # [NCT04392713][1]) was carried out at Combined Military...
Shoumann 15-24mg per day
Positive effectsJCDR - : Close contacts, Control, Coronavirus, Pandemic, SARS-CoV-2
Journal of Clinical and Diagnostic Research aims to publish findings of doctors at grass root level and post graduate students, so that all unique medical experiences are recorded in literature.jcdr.net
Seems high dose daily works. *shrugs*
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I don't think they are banned users. I was just pointing out that I find it weird this happens on a weekly basis. Like clockwork. People come in with some arguments that have already been covered. Argue for a page or two and then leave.You guys are so fucking insane you think these new people are previously banned users. You can't believe there are people outside your echo chamber
Then next week it happens again. And it's usually one of the same 3-5 arguments everytime. That's just weird to me.
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Thesuffering79
Banned
Its seems like people need to speak out at some misconceptions and inaccuracies. A lot of people look into this thread but not many of them post. They dont want to contribute unless they feel they have to.
Dr_Salt
Banned
Its not Zefah I'm pretty sure. Let the man die in peace lol.
kaiju
Member
I've posted this here elsewhere but I just wanted to share my story. It's one thing to talk about COVID without having got it, but once you have it it's a whole other story. At least it was for me.
I am vaxxed (with two shots of moderna). I was very naive initially, having had those shots I thought I was good. I didn't wear masks to many places once California opened (and neither did anyone else), and I felt it was back to normal again. Boy was I wrong. I got COVID at the beginning of August. I fell very ill, and around day 11, my fever got worse and my blood oxygen levels dropped into the 70's. I had trouble breathing. I was in big trouble. The hospital was little help. They said I was "borderline" for the ICU, and sent me home with an oxygen machine.
A veterinarian family member recommended ivermectin. Now like many I laughed at first and told them I'm not taking the stupid horse paste. But this is someone I trust deeply who sincerely cared about helping me. I was sent several articles to read about it, including the FLCCC stuff. I was in bad shape, so I decided fuck it, what do I have to lose. I have two young daughters. Fear may have played into it. I also did not expect to get this ill with the vaccine. Doctors were not giving me a damn thing other than Norco.
I had it shipped to me the next day. On day 12, I took a dose of ivermectin, and within 24 hours my fever dropped. I took two more doses over the next two days and was able to eat and felt even better. I needed oxygen for the next week as my levels were still high 80's/low 90's, but I was over the hump of the illness. My eyes were extremely sore and head severely foggy, with a cough that finally went away a few days ago. But I've fully recovered.
Who knows. We can argue if the horse paste did anything or not. I sincerely feel like it turned things around for me. I feel like if I had taken it sooner I may have not gotten to the point I did. I have asthma, doctors said my lungs were suffering viral pneumonia and may need ventilation soon. It's strange to me that within a day after taking ivermectin I could breathe much better, and three days later x-ray's showed my lungs looked good and were clearing up.
I don't understand why the FDA is so against it when it is used for other human illnesses. The drug really turned things around in countries like India, just look at the numbers. Why is it such a problem? I don't recommend taking it daily for prevention, I think that is fucking stupid. I am for the vaccine, and highly recommend it. I can't wait to get my third booster but I have to wait several months now. But if my family or friends get COVID and get seriously ill, I'm going to recommend it to them.
It worries me that a drug that is showing to be effective against COVID is so trashed, and discarded as a "drug made for horses" when the biologists that discovered it won the Nobel Peace Prize. We are living in such a strange time, where this virus is mutating at a rate that makes me wonder how effective the current vaccine even is. Because that was the worst illness I've ever suffered, and I thought I would be at least a little bit better protected from it.
That's all I wanted to share. I don't care if I take heat or not for my experience, I just wanted to share it as I have not heard of many vaxxed people with COVID taking ivermectin, or with a positive stance on it. I am now taking COVID very seriously, and I don't think I will be without a mask anytime soon.
I am vaxxed (with two shots of moderna). I was very naive initially, having had those shots I thought I was good. I didn't wear masks to many places once California opened (and neither did anyone else), and I felt it was back to normal again. Boy was I wrong. I got COVID at the beginning of August. I fell very ill, and around day 11, my fever got worse and my blood oxygen levels dropped into the 70's. I had trouble breathing. I was in big trouble. The hospital was little help. They said I was "borderline" for the ICU, and sent me home with an oxygen machine.
A veterinarian family member recommended ivermectin. Now like many I laughed at first and told them I'm not taking the stupid horse paste. But this is someone I trust deeply who sincerely cared about helping me. I was sent several articles to read about it, including the FLCCC stuff. I was in bad shape, so I decided fuck it, what do I have to lose. I have two young daughters. Fear may have played into it. I also did not expect to get this ill with the vaccine. Doctors were not giving me a damn thing other than Norco.
I had it shipped to me the next day. On day 12, I took a dose of ivermectin, and within 24 hours my fever dropped. I took two more doses over the next two days and was able to eat and felt even better. I needed oxygen for the next week as my levels were still high 80's/low 90's, but I was over the hump of the illness. My eyes were extremely sore and head severely foggy, with a cough that finally went away a few days ago. But I've fully recovered.
Who knows. We can argue if the horse paste did anything or not. I sincerely feel like it turned things around for me. I feel like if I had taken it sooner I may have not gotten to the point I did. I have asthma, doctors said my lungs were suffering viral pneumonia and may need ventilation soon. It's strange to me that within a day after taking ivermectin I could breathe much better, and three days later x-ray's showed my lungs looked good and were clearing up.
I don't understand why the FDA is so against it when it is used for other human illnesses. The drug really turned things around in countries like India, just look at the numbers. Why is it such a problem? I don't recommend taking it daily for prevention, I think that is fucking stupid. I am for the vaccine, and highly recommend it. I can't wait to get my third booster but I have to wait several months now. But if my family or friends get COVID and get seriously ill, I'm going to recommend it to them.
It worries me that a drug that is showing to be effective against COVID is so trashed, and discarded as a "drug made for horses" when the biologists that discovered it won the Nobel Peace Prize. We are living in such a strange time, where this virus is mutating at a rate that makes me wonder how effective the current vaccine even is. Because that was the worst illness I've ever suffered, and I thought I would be at least a little bit better protected from it.
That's all I wanted to share. I don't care if I take heat or not for my experience, I just wanted to share it as I have not heard of many vaxxed people with COVID taking ivermectin, or with a positive stance on it. I am now taking COVID very seriously, and I don't think I will be without a mask anytime soon.
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Thesuffering79
Banned
Its because the drug industry controls the media and government. They want their money, they cant have something cheap like ivermectin being normalized as a treatment.
The worst part about reading the studies is that they dont mention the duration of the "danger period" when having covid. Like maybe 10% of the studies do. If IVM reduces the duration of that period surely that is a good thing right?
xellos2099alpha
Member
I mean ivermectin have anti-viral effect. Ivermectin is NOT meant to be a replacement for vaccine but a possible treatment method if you got covid. Does it work againist Covid? Maybe, who know. Also ivermectin have both the paste and pill form. Paste is NOT MEANT for human consumtion.
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kaiju
Member
I agree, and that just makes me sick to my stomach.
I've heard some recent news about patients in the ICU requiring a Judge to make the hospitals give them ivermectin. Just such a fucking mess.
kaiju
Member
I disagree with you on the paste, most forms of it have 1.87% Ivermectin and is the only ingredient. It's the exact same stuff as the pill form. That is the kind I used and was fine. My dosage was confirmed by a veterinarian I trust.
The problem is there are several horse pastes out there with different ingredients, and several of those are not for human consumption.
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vpance
Member
The essentialized "just go home and hope it goes away" protocol continues to be an interesting one.
xellos2099alpha
Member
There go the difference, you have professional guidance.