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And who wouldn't jump at the chance to listen to them considering their impeccable track record during this pandemic?
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And who wouldn't jump at the chance to listen to them considering their impeccable track record during this pandemic?
Taxexemption
Member
I can still get it and possibly spread it even with the vaccine right? If that's the case it seems like getting the vaccine will cause people to go maskless ensuring the virus spreads more.
FunkMiller
Banned
Ah….. and we reach the inevitable end point. Everyone must be perfect all of the time, otherwise to hell with what they say.
Because Fauci is a bit of a pillock, I can safely ignore every other person more knowledgeable than me, who’s asking me to take the vaccine.
Well done, you’ve made yourself feel much better about avoiding the infinitesimally small risk you might have been exposed to.
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Deleted member 17706
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No one is saying to "ignore" anyone. By all means listen to their expert opinions and ideas and take them into account. But giving up thinking for yourself and simply leaving your life decisions up to "people who know better than you and me" is not a way I would ever want to live, especially when we have countless examples of experts who know best getting things wrong or having their advice produce unintended consequences that would have changed how people behaved if they were known in advance.
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Raven117
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Of course they are telling us that. Im also not saying they are wrong. (Recall, I have been vaxxed).
They can recommend all they want, but they cannot and do not know what is right for each individual.
but yeah, if someone wants to say fuck it, I’m not taking it because fuck you that’s why…. Then yeah, it’s their choice. I’m vaxxed. So it doesn’t make any difference to me.
how is this so hard for some of you to understand.
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FunkMiller
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Raven117
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It might. (Might not, you nor I have no idea someone’s individual circumstance) But that’s their choice. We can all be a selfish as we want to be. That’s the thing with freedom.It’s perfectly easy to understand. It just makes them a selfish, chickenshit cunt
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Bitmap Frogs
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I am also following up on that one.
FunkMiller
Banned
Agreed. And the thing about freedom is that the rest of us can call them out for the selfish, chickenshit cunts they are, if we want
TheDreadBaron
Member
Agreed. And the thing about freedom is that the rest of us can call them out for the selfish, chickenshit cunts they are, if we want
Well when your argument peters out I guess that's all you got left
FunkMiller
Banned
Well when your argument peters out I guess that's all you got left
Shit son, my argument was done and dusted several posts ago.
This is just the lingering after effects.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
This is not true at all. There are thousands of laws that limit our personal selfishness for the benefit of society overall.
TheDreadBaron
Member
Lol, y'all ever have a doctor seriously sit there and google something you just asked them about, that's in their specialty that they should definitely know about? I don't blame them, we all use it, but it makes them less relevant. Patients can also know their own body better especially when some doctors aren't good at listening.
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Deleted member 17706
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Limit us from *doing things*. What laws require that we submit ourselves to having things done to us, which is basically what we're talking about right now?
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I mean schooling would be an obvious one, we force kids to have schooling. And if you want to your kids to go to a school that you pay for with your taxes they have to have vaccinations. You have to take a test to drive a car. Private businesses can go even further. I have to take a medical exam every year or I pay more fory health insurance. If my BMI was over 30 then I would have to pay more or go on a weight loss program.
DeepBreath87
Banned
These are weak examples. They aren’t comparable to forcing people to take a medication they don’t want to take. This isn’t a drivers test, for fucks sake. That you would even have to reach that far really says it all.
Rock And Roll
Member
It’s perfectly easy to understand. It just makes them a selfish, chickenshit cunt
Sounds like you are against people having a choice because you think it interferes with the sanctity of life. You're pro-life and anti-choice. Interesting.
vpance
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FunkMiller
Banned
Congrats. That’s possibly the silliest interpretation of anything I’ve ever posted.
I’m not making any argument against someone making a choice. What I’m saying is that by making the choice not to get vaccinated, they are taking the selfish, cowardly choice. Not once have I argued that they shouldn’t be able to make that choice - just that by doing so, they are revealing a lot about themselves.
Choices come with consequences and judgements. This is unavoidable, unless you want to live in a snowflake land where it doesn’t happen. In which case, wrong forum.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Is CNN going to bring back the 24/7 covid death counter?
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Taxexemption
Member
This should not be surprising. If you have any imagination you understand where this is going. It's not about the vaccine it's about a precedent.
I fear if there are too few people like me willing to take a stand, that I will one day wake up and my only choice in life is whether I buy my water from Walmart or Amazon.
QSD
Member
This is a straw man. Nobody is asking for people to be perfect, but the recent history of this pandemic has shown that the government (in my country, The Netherlands, at least) is willing to spread misinformation if it is expedient to their policies. I can understand their motivations for doing so but regardless the consequence still is that I will start questioning what information the government or its anointed experts is broadcasting. The problem isn't so much that I think I know more about biology or medicine than relevant experts, it's that I believe the information I´m getting could well be compromised or 'spun'. The basis for what you would call 'conspiratorial thinking' is simply a level of distrust in the current government/establishment and their motivations. IMHO it's pretty hard to argue that distrust is not justified, based on what has gone before.
Alx
Member
It's only minor contestation all around. 20K people over the whole country (anything below 100K is a small event for France), while almost one million people a day have been making appointments to get vaccinated since the announcement.
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CloudNull
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No matter what side the coin you fall on about this whole thing we cannot deny the impact of the lockdowns have been devastating. I wonder what the stats for abuse are as well..... a lot of people don't know how to cope besides lashing out. Tons of kids that would escape their parents abuse by going to school were out of school for a whole year. The data coming out of this timeframe is going to be so interesting.
www.cnn.com
Drug overdose deaths hit highest number ever recorded, CDC data shows | CNN
Drug overdose deaths rose by close to 30% in the US in 2020, hitting the highest number ever recorded, the CDC reported Wednesday.
www.cnn.com
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vpance
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Yeah it seems obvious to me but people are too trusting of these mega corps and bumbling letter organizations with spotty track records.
It's interesting they went full send on these passports in France first though. The French are readily known to protest for their rights so I guess they want to gauge the strongest reactions from the public.
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DeepBreath87
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This will, of course, never be acknowledged and there will be zero accountability for the people who pushed the insanity. Just wait until teachers in some areas again refuse to teach kids in person due to this Delta nonsense.No matter what side the coin you fall on about this whole thing we cannot deny the impact of the lockdowns have been devastating. I wonder what the stats for abuse are as well..... a lot of people don't know how to cope besides lashing out. Tons of kids that would escape their parents abuse by going to school were out of school for a whole year. The data coming out of this timeframe is going to be so interesting.
Drug overdose deaths hit highest number ever recorded, CDC data shows | CNN
Drug overdose deaths rose by close to 30% in the US in 2020, hitting the highest number ever recorded, the CDC reported Wednesday.
SF Kosmo
Banned
Knowing how to Google and knowing how to research are not the same thing.
I can Google reasons the earth is flat and come up with a list of dozens. It doesn't make that true and it doesn't make that research.
Rock And Roll
Member
And what are these consequences and judgements you speak of? Not being able to get groceries? Being fired from your job? If you are for letting people make their own decisions, how do you feel about vaccine passports (which has been all the talk today here in Toronto).
Get off your high horse with calling other people cowardly, selfish and then following it up with a string of expletives. I don't judge anyone who gets the vaccine, if you think it's right for you, go for it. I wouldn't sit there calling you a brainwashed sheep who does whatever the government/media tells them to do. If you don't want to get vaccinated for whatever reason, I'm not going to sit there calling you a crazed lunatic. Let people make their own decisions and stop judging people based on what they decide to do.
Raven117
Member
Yes, that is of course true, and a line must be drawn somewhere. The fact that some people happily draw it where they want instead of respecting what they are doing when limiting someone's freedom to choose is EXACTLY the point I'm making. They must totally love dictatorships and totalitarian governments.
In this case, if we were talking airborne Ebola then we would have a very different conversation. Covid...well, honestly, its just not as severe to limit someone's freedom to make their own choices about their own health.
You can get vaccinated. Get it. IF someone else decides not to...its THEIR CHOICE. Again, why is it that hard for some folks to understand that? They can do what they want. If the die, not your problem. Why do some people insist on anything to do about them? Why do they want to control what they do? Why do they want to control what they think? Their choices do not effect you at all (if you made the choice to be vaxxed).
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Raven117
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But are they? Who are they being selfish towards? How does them not getting a vaccine effect you (assuming you have been vaxxed), in anyway effect you?Agreed. And the thing about freedom is that the rest of us can call them out for the selfish, chickenshit cunts they are, if we want
You are free to do what you want, but they are also free to say you are a totalitarian jackbooted asshole who wants to tell people how to live.
Just let other people do what they want. And live your life the way you want to.
Raven117
Member
What this guy said.
FunkMiller
Banned
This statement more than any other, underlines the problem with your position.
I’m not thinking about how it affects me.
FunkMiller
Banned
Nope.
No good reason not to get the vaccine. Safe, effective, proven.
Only reason not to comes from either selfishness or fear, or both. That really is the end of this conversation… I'm now just repeating myself.
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Rock And Roll
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The same can be said about your line of thinking. You're selfish and believe everyone must bend to your will because you are afraid of covid.
And there are good reasons not to get the vaccine. Of course you don't want to hear them and will handwave them away, because you come from a "fuck you, I'm right" mindset.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Give it up. This is the guy who called a highly intelligent POC a "grifter" because he doesn't subscribe to his ideology.
Edit: Different guy. Same attitude.
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Raven117
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And this statement more than any other underlines the problem with your position.
IF IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU, WHY DO YOU GIVE A SHIT? You are being obtuse. You want other people to bend to what you think is right...and even worse, you don't have a dog in the hunt.
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FunkMiller
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FunkMiller
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If it doesn’t affect me, then i must give a shit because…..?
EverythingsOverrated
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Yes or no. Do you believe a covid vaccine should be mandatory?Nope.
No good reason not to get the vaccine. Safe, effective, proven.
Only reason not to comes from either selfishness or fear, or both. That really is the end of this conversation… I'm now just repeating myself.
Raven117
Member
You want to tell other people how to make their own decisions about their own healthcare...because you believe you know what is best for them.
People are free to choose. I'm sorry that bothers you. Maybe you can move to China where they will decide for you and give you a social credit score. Child.
FunkMiller
Banned
Nope. But I believe people should take a safe and effective vaccine to help protect those vulnerable to the disease.
FunkMiller
Banned
I’m not telling anyone what choices they should make. I’m just saying people who don’t take the vaccine are being needlessly selfish and/or scared of incredibly minimal risk.
Raven117
Member
Those vulnerable to the disease can get vaxxed. Stop with this,
Raven117
Member
Yes, you are. They aren't being selfish. You just view them as such because they aren't doing something you want them to do to "protect" others who they have no obligation to protect...and those others (that need protecting) can make their own decisions about taking a vaccine or not.
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FunkMiller
Banned
The vaccine is not 100% effective. Some vulnerable people cannot take it. Your argument holds no water whatsoever.
Not all of them genius. That’s the point.
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Slaylock
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This is reminding me of the death of the old thread, where a small number of users are dominating the conversation with one topic (masks with the old thread, vaccines with the new one).
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
-- Winston Churchill
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
-- Winston Churchill
Rock And Roll
Member
Weird 15 minutes ago you were telling us there was no good reason not to take the vaccine because it is effective and now you are saying there ARE reasons not to take the vaccine and it's not effective.
