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I'm still baffled by the festival hyperspread event though, how the hell did that happen?

No one ever said you can't catch it outdoors, it's just not as bad as indoors because it doesn't hang around in the air as long. You're not likely to get it in a park 6 feet away from people but if you're crammed in with people in a crowd, and people right up in your face of course it will spread.

 

[ManaByte]

Delta variant doesn’t pose higher risk to vaccinated people than other virus versions, L.A. County health officials say

Fully vaccinated people in Los Angeles County appear to be just as protected against infection from the highly contagious delta variant as they are from other versions of the coronavirus, public he…

ktla.com

This from the same idiots forcing vaccinated people to mask up now.

 

[Raven117]

And we are back to masks? lol.

Whelp, at least where I live, there won’t be any imposition of masks or lockdowns.

 

[DeepBreath87]

And we are back to masks? lol.

Whelp, at least where I live, there won’t be any imposition of masks or lockdowns.

Yeah, my days of wearing a mask to the store are over. I haven’t worn a mask in public in months now. I’m not going back.

 

[Raven117]

Yeah, my days of wearing a mask to the store are over. I haven’t worn a mask in public in months now. I’m not going back.

Same here. Lunacy.

 

[Guileless]

 

[vpance]

This is freaky. Warning from a doc in BC about blood clot findings from his patients.

Dire Warning from Dr. Charles Hoffe

An important excerpt of my interview with Dr. Charles Hoffe on how the vaccine works and effects your body. Dr. Charles Hoffe email: hoffe.charles@gmail.com Today’s show resources: https://bit.ly/3yyqYDJ All of my content is completely, 100%, viewer supported and funded. Thank you for your...

www.bitchute.com

Here’s another similiar interview of him with other doctors

 

[Chaplain]

 

[Birdo]

Went for a walk into town on this glorious summer day.

99% normality (Masks in stores is the only thing left). You love to see it

 

[Raven117]

Went for a walk into town on this glorious summer day.

99% normality (Masks in stores is the only thing left). You love to see it

I know you live in a northern latitude when you say "Glorious summer day" and "masks in stores."

In the South, it is either liquefying humidity or scorching heat....and masks have been off everywhere for months!

Regardless, glad you are enjoying the day!

 

[DeepBreath87]

Went for a walk into town on this glorious summer day.

99% normality (Masks in stores is the only thing left). You love to see it

Where are you that they’re still trying to enforce a mask mandate indoors? (Other than the morons in LA)

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

This is freaky. Warning from a doc in BC about blood clot findings from his patients.

Dire Warning from Dr. Charles Hoffe

An important excerpt of my interview with Dr. Charles Hoffe on how the vaccine works and effects your body. Dr. Charles Hoffe email: hoffe.charles@gmail.com Today’s show resources: https://bit.ly/3yyqYDJ All of my content is completely, 100%, viewer supported and funded. Thank you for your...

www.bitchute.com

Here’s another similiar interview of him with other doctors

I’m not a doctor but it’s estimated like 30 trillion cells are in the body, how can the vaccine have 40 trillion mrna units? I’m aware there’s lots of empty room in the body but…

 

[vpance]

I’m not a doctor but it’s estimated like 30 trillion cells are in the body, how can the vaccine have 40 trillion mrna units? I’m aware there’s lots of empty room in the body but…

He said 40 trillion molecules. A cell contains many millions of molecules.

 

[Chaplain]

 

[QSD]

This is just such a crotty thing say.

 

[DeepBreath87]

Check out Chicken Little over here.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I can't help but think this US news is a complete fabrication. It absolutely flies in the face of the data coming out of the UK and Israel.

 

[Belgorim]

And completely ignoring people who already had it.

 

[12Goblins]

lady came in today barely able to maintain her O2 sats on 5L of oxygen. Tested positive. Looks terrible. had her 2 Pfizer's in April/March....in her 70s, no major co-morbidities. very strange (・_・; )

anecdotally, I feel like before if someone got sick In a household, it was a crap shoot wether other people in that household also contracted the virus. but now it seems that when one person gets it, the entire household gets it

still feel like it could go either way,

 

[bigsnack]

lady came in today barely able to maintain her O2 sats on 5L of oxygen. Tested positive. Looks terrible. had her 2 Pfizer's in April/March....in her 70s, no major co-morbidities. very strange (・_・; )

anecdotally, I feel like before if someone got sick In a household, it was a crap shoot wether other people in that household also contracted the virus. but now it seems that when one person gets it, the entire household gets it

still feel like it could go either way,

DeepBreath87 , what’s the deal with patients at your place of work? What are you seeing?

 

[bigsnack]

lady came in today barely able to maintain her O2 sats on 5L of oxygen. Tested positive. Looks terrible. had her 2 Pfizer's in April/March....in her 70s, no major co-morbidities. very strange (・_・; )

anecdotally, I feel like before if someone got sick In a household, it was a crap shoot wether other people in that household also contracted the virus. but now it seems that when one person gets it, the entire household gets it

still feel like it could go either way,

Are you in the US?

 

[Hydelol]

And nothing on European News about France protests. NOTHING. But they told us, they are the only ones to trust. So it is fine.

 

[ManaByte]

Lockdown is on the table for Los Angeles:

Los Angeles County re-implementing indoor mask mandate regardless of vaccination status

The new mandate will take effect at 11:59 p.m. Saturday.

www.foxla.com

When asked if the county might consider re-implementing other health restrictions -- such as capacity limits and physical distancing, Davis said, "Everything is on the table if things continue to get worse."

So Los Angeles is threatening lockdown when they have nearly 60% fully vaccinated:

Currently, 69% of county residents aged 16 and older have received at least one dose of the vaccine, and 61% are fully vaccinated. Among those aged 65 and older, 88% have received at least one dose, and 78% are fully vaccinated.

 

[Chaplain]

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[vpance]

Seems this paper describes what the doc was talking about above, with the rare larger clots
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/05/210517102624.htm

For people with significant clotting symptoms post shot they'll go to get this treated immediately. But if most go on to accumulate tiny blood vessel damage over time as the doc describes, then you won't expect it til it hits you one day, I guess?

 

[ManaByte]

 

[sinnergy]

The next part of this soap will start on Monday when the UK lifts measures and after 2 weeks scrambles to correct it at the end of October we have a first version of a resistant version of COVID and we hear that we are having lock downs again . Time for a change in how we live.

But The Netherlands first !

Gonna get some cheap gasoline tomorrow in Germany because of Sunday, citizens of The Netherlands are a thread for Germans and I can’t cross the border because I only had 1 jab. Life is great

I do like my cheap gasoline to drive to work!

 

[TheDreadBaron]

This flip flopping for political expedience is what makes it blatantly political and hard to trust anything. Imagine a world where Trump was reelected, does anyone think the media would have the same relationship with the vaccines as they do now? I know it's purely speculative but c'mon...

edit: originally it was a different tweet pointing out the hypocrisy of Democrats opposing the vaccine during Trump's tenure

 

[ManaByte]

This flip flopping for political expedience is what makes it blatantly political and hard to trust anything. Imagine a world where Trump was reelected, does anyone think the media would have the same relationship with the vaccines as they do now? I know it's purely speculative but c'mon...

edit: originally it was a different tweet pointing out the hypocrisy of Democrats opposing the vaccine during Trump's tenure

C'mon there's a difference between politicians being the idiot liars they are and people spreading absolute bullshit about the vaccine on Facebook.

Check this out. These flyers were created by a pastor of a large church in Hawaii and are being spread around Facebook:

https://nebula.wsimg.com/91433c2cebd40d9fa868f2b72abb1cbe?AccessKeyId=D40106E1331C24ABD7C3&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

He says people shouldn't take the vaccine because it's the Mark of the Beast (it isn't), it'll change your DNA (it doesn't), contains aborted babies (it doesn't), and that it's mandated (it's not).

 

[DeepBreath87]

DeepBreath87 , what’s the deal with patients at your place of work? What are you seeing?

So we hard roughly 200 admitted covid patients at one point with about 30+ on ventilators (over 60 ventilators if you include non covid patients). That was during our peak last December/January.

We are now down under 10 total patients with covid in my hospital and have remained there for several weeks. It’s been under 20 for about 2 months. We have seen a couple of people (like 2-3) in the last few weeks who have been very sick, but they continue to be the people you would expect: obese, diabetic, and unvaccinated.

And where I live, no one has been wearing a mask in six weeks. Most people it’s been even longer. Our vaccination rate is pretty high for adults (+60%), so between that and prior infections, it seems like we’ve hit a pretty good place. Local infection numbers have been averaging under 15 a day in a county of over 400,000 people.

 

[ManaByte]

So we hard roughly 200 admitted covid patients at one point with about 30+ on ventilators (over 60 ventilators if you include non covid patients). That was during our peak last December/January.

We are now down under 10 total patients with covid in my hospital and have remained there for several weeks. It’s been under 20 for about 2 months. We have seen a couple of people (like 2-3) in the last few weeks who have been very sick, but they continue to be the people you would expect: obese, diabetic, and unvaccinated.

And where I live, no one has been wearing a mask in six weeks. Most people it’s been even longer. Our vaccination rate is pretty high for adults (+60%), so between that and prior infections, it seems like we’ve hit a pretty good place. Local infection numbers have been averaging under 15 a day in a county of over 400,000 people.

Guess we need a hard lockdown again.

 

[TheDreadBaron]

C'mon there's a difference between politicians being the idiot liars they are and people spreading absolute bullshit about the vaccine on Facebook.

Check this out. These flyers were created by a pastor of a large church in Hawaii and are being spread around Facebook:

https://nebula.wsimg.com/91433c2cebd40d9fa868f2b72abb1cbe?AccessKeyId=D40106E1331C24ABD7C3&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

He says people shouldn't take the vaccine because it's the Mark of the Beast (it isn't), it'll change your DNA (it doesn't), contains aborted babies (it doesn't), and that it's mandated (it's not).

Well, there's no helping people that will fall for that, right? We can't protect people from stupid. We can agree that's total fantasy but I don't want the Biden administration deciding what constitutes acceptable opinions.

Politicians are idiot liars though, so that being the case I'm not gonna take Biden at his word.

 

[ManaByte]

Well, there's no helping people that will fall for that, right? We can't protect people from stupid. We can agree that's total fantasy but I don't want the Biden administration deciding what constitutes acceptable opinions.

Politicians are idiot liars though, so that being the case I'm not gonna take Biden at his word.

Even with Freedom of Speech you can't go on an airplane and yell "bomb" or "fire" in a crowded movie theater. And 90% of the public are idiot sheep who believe whatever they read on Facebook, so flyers like those above and the people who create them ARE a problem.

It's even worse when it's a pastor doing it because if someone waves a Bible then the sheep believe them even more because there's no way a pastor will lie to them. /s

 

[TheDreadBaron]

Even with Freedom of Speech you can't go on an airplane and yell "bomb" or "fire" in a crowded movie theater. And 90% of the public are idiot sheep who believe whatever they read on Facebook, so flyers like those above and the people who create them ARE a problem.

It's even worse when it's a pastor doing it because if someone waves a Bible then the sheep believe them even more because there's no way a pastor will lie to them. /s

Yeah, it's just that pastors have been screeching about the end of the world since the beginning of the world. It's a problem, but one that we solve by challenging their crackpot ideas.

 

[ManaByte]

Yeah, it's just that pastors have been screeching about the end of the world since the beginning of the world. It's a problem, but one that we solve by challenging their crackpot ideas.

Yes but it's reached the point where they are actively telling people "Don't get vaccinated because it's the Mark of the Beast that will change your DNA using aborted babies" and people believe them. Then when Facebook or YouTube removes their video for pushing anti-vax lies, they cry to their followers about how they're being censored for speaking the truth and they make more money.

This JD Farag guy who made those fliers up there now does one thing on FB/YouTube and then turns off his livestream before he gets into the anti-vax bullshit and then streams that stuff on his iOS/Android app. The problem is Apple and Google don't seem to care so they allow people to do whatever they want and spread whatever bullshit lies they want using their apps...as long as their developer fee is paid up and they're not interfering with the app store 30% tax.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

C'mon there's a difference between politicians being the idiot liars they are and people spreading absolute bullshit about the vaccine on Facebook.

Check this out. These flyers were created by a pastor of a large church in Hawaii and are being spread around Facebook:

https://nebula.wsimg.com/91433c2cebd40d9fa868f2b72abb1cbe?AccessKeyId=D40106E1331C24ABD7C3&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

He says people shouldn't take the vaccine because it's the Mark of the Beast (it isn't), it'll change your DNA (it doesn't), contains aborted babies (it doesn't), and that it's mandated (it's not).

Absolute bullshit and anti-vaxx crazies have been on the Internet since the beginning, but involving the government in the crackdown of 'bullshit' is a really dangerous precedent that we will absolutely regret in the future if we do not reign in.

Off topic, but crazy conspiracies always have the worst graphic design... There's definitely an 'aesthetic' to The Truth Is Out There crowd.

 

[Chaplain]

Guess we need a hard lockdown again.

 

[ManaByte]

Absolute bullshit and anti-vaxx crazies have been on the Internet since the beginning, but involving the government in the crackdown of 'bullshit' is a really dangerous precedent that we will absolutely regret in the future if we do not reign in.

Off topic, but crazy conspiracies always have the worst graphic design... There's definitely an 'aesthetic' to The Truth Is Out There crowd.

It becomes a problem when every Karen on Facebook is signal boosting the anti-vaxx stuff by taking those flyers and posting them in every group they're a part of and in replies to every COVID post on the platform.

 

[QSD]

Well, there's no helping people that will fall for that, right? We can't protect people from stupid. We can agree that's total fantasy but I don't want the Biden administration deciding what constitutes acceptable opinions.

Politicians are idiot liars though, so that being the case I'm not gonna take Biden at his word.

Well I don't know whether you got round to watching that Rebel Wisdom video I posted a couple of pages ago (the one about the Weinstein/Ivermectin saga) but in it David Fuller raises the point that there have been one or more groups on facebook that claim that autism can be cured by having kids drink bleach, which some insane and desperate parents have apparently tried. That's a point where I find myself getting squeamish... It's a difficult problem.

 

[ManaByte]

Well I don't know whether you got round to watching that Rebel Wisdom video I posted a couple of pages ago (the one about the Weinstein/Ivermectin saga) but in it David Fuller raises the point that there have been one or more groups on facebook that claim that autism can be cured by having kids drink bleach, which some insane and desperate parents have apparently tried. That's a point where I find myself getting squeamish... It's a difficult problem.

But what about freedom of speech??

 

[TheDreadBaron]

Well I don't know whether you got round to watching that Rebel Wisdom video I posted a couple of pages ago (the one about the Weinstein/Ivermectin saga) but in it David Fuller raises the point that there have been one or more groups on facebook that claim that autism can be cured by having kids drink bleach, which some insane and desperate parents have apparently tried. That's a point where I find myself getting squeamish... It's a difficult problem.

Yes I did watch it and that's very true. Does suggesting someone not get vaccinated constitute medical advice? Even though it's recommending against a procedure I would have to say it does, which would make it morally equivalent to telling someone to take a medicine that may or may not be good for them.

Even still, people need to be able to discuss their fringe theories in the open so we can discredit them with honest discussion and let people decide.

edit: It's really tragic what desperate people can be conned into. However, if you are a parent and you feed your kid bleach ("drinking bleach" is shorthand for killing yourself) I'm gonna have to blame you for that one. There's all kinds of bad information out there, but the best way we've found to make sense of it is talk openly, not censor.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Well I don't know whether you got round to watching that Rebel Wisdom video I posted a couple of pages ago (the one about the Weinstein/Ivermectin saga) but in it David Fuller raises the point that there have been one or more groups on facebook that claim that autism can be cured by having kids drink bleach, which some insane and desperate parents have apparently tried. That's a point where I find myself getting squeamish... It's a difficult problem.

The bleach drinkers are retarded.

I don’t get how as a human you get to the point of thinking hey these people who’ve devoted their lives to practicing medicine are wrong, but some random turd on Facebook knows what’s up.

And then proceed to drink bleach.

 

[BadBurger]

This is freaky. Warning from a doc in BC about blood clot findings from his patients.

Dire Warning from Dr. Charles Hoffe

An important excerpt of my interview with Dr. Charles Hoffe on how the vaccine works and effects your body. Dr. Charles Hoffe email: hoffe.charles@gmail.com Today’s show resources: https://bit.ly/3yyqYDJ All of my content is completely, 100%, viewer supported and funded. Thank you for your...

www.bitchute.com

Here’s another similiar interview of him with other doctors

I took one look at your summary of that video and was ready to report it for COVID-19 vaccine misinformation, then saw the source. Good ol' Bitchute.....

 

[ManaByte]

Yes I did watch it and that's very true. Does suggesting someone not get vaccinated constitute medical advice? Even though it's recommending against a procedure I would have to say it does, which would make it morally equivalent to telling someone to take a medicine that may or may not be good for them.

Even still, people need to be able to discuss their fringe theories in the open so we can discredit them with honest discussion and let people decide.

edit: It's really tragic what desperate people can be conned into. However, if you are a parent and you feed your kid bleach ("drinking bleach" is shorthand for killing yourself) I'm gonna have to blame you for that one. There's all kinds of bad information out there, but the best way we've found to make sense of it is talk openly, not censor.

There's a difference between a nutbar on a forum talking about a fringe theory and someone speaking from a position of authority and actively telling people to not get vaccinated by giving them a list of bullshit lies to justify it that are easily shared.

 

[TheDreadBaron]

I took one look at your summary of that video and was ready to report it for COVID-19 vaccine misinformation, then saw the source. Good ol' Bitchute.....

Well it's not like they could put it on YouTube

(Because you would report it) See how that prophecy fulfills itself?

 

[DeepBreath87]

I took one look at your summary of that video and was ready to report it for COVID-19 vaccine misinformation, then saw the source. Good ol' Bitchute.....

I wouldn’t denigrate anyone just for being on Bitchute. But these people who are really pushing the “covid vax is bad for you” are going to have to start putting up some numbers. Because while I think we can all admit there is some risk of a bad outcome, it’s not any higher than the risk you take when you pull your car out of the driveway every day.

 

[QSD]

Yes I did watch it and that's very true. Does suggesting someone not get vaccinated constitute medical advice? Even though it's recommending against a procedure I would have to say it does, which would make it morally equivalent to telling someone to take a medicine that may or may not be good for them.

IDK the technicalities but morally it seems about equivalent to me... there are also these pro-anorexia groups around where girls encourage each other not to eat

Even still, people need to be able to discuss their fringe theories in the open so we can discredit them with honest discussion and let people decide.

Yeah so comparing this to Weinstein I still feel he should not be censored. But I'll acknowledge that I can't clearly articulate where the line is which bothers me.

edit: It's really tragic what desperate people can be conned into. However, if you are a parent and you feed your kid bleach ("drinking bleach" is shorthand for killing yourself) I'm gonna have to blame you for that one. There's all kinds of bad information out there, but the best way we've found to make sense of it is talk openly, not censor.

I feel sorry for the kids, it's not their fault the parent(s) are nuts

 

[Deleted member 17706]

It becomes a problem when every Karen on Facebook is signal boosting the anti-vaxx stuff by taking those flyers and posting them in every group they're a part of and in replies to every COVID post on the platform.

A problem for whom and why should it not be allowed? That's where I get stuck. People need to be able to express themselves and others need to be able to decide for themselves about how they want to conduct their lives. I sincerely doubt that there is a significant number of people who were not already pre-disposed to being anti-vaxx who are suddenly deciding not to get the jab based off shitty info dump infographics. If someone has quantified this, I would like to see their data and methodology.

You defeat this stuff by having better messaging and convincing people with clear evidence for why they should believe you.

 

[QSD]

The bleach drinkers are retarded.

I don’t get how as a human you get to the point of thinking hey these people who’ve devoted their lives to practicing medicine are wrong, but some random turd on Facebook knows what’s up.

And then proceed to drink bleach.

It's a crisis of trust. It's not that they think that the doctors are wrong per se, they just don't assume that they have the publics best interests at heart. It's a reasonable assumption, considering doctors have been known to take incentives from pharmaceutical companies to liberally prescribe extremely addictive painkillers

 

[vpance]

I wouldn’t denigrate anyone just for being on Bitchute. But these people who are really pushing the “covid vax is bad for you” are going to have to start putting up some numbers. Because while I think we can all admit there is some risk of a bad outcome, it’s not any higher than the risk you take when you pull your car out of the driveway every day.

I mean, if the cumulative effects will only be seen in the medium to long term then we can only wait and monitor. At least for now it's good to see there are still some docs out there looking at these things from different angles. Better to know about potential implications to prepare for them if they arise.