QSD
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That's 10% of the population of Australia, bro
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That's 10% of the population of Australia, bro
Covid is happening … maybe you heard about it? Started about 1,5 years ago ..The fuck is happening in Australia? Military for 239 cases?
300 ADF troops to be deployed onto Sydney streets as restrictions tighten
An additional 300 Australian Defence Force personnel have been deployed onto Sydney’s streets after NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller submitted a formal request for assistance on Thursday. It comes as restrictions tightened within the eight local government areas of concern after the state...www.skynews.com.au
Not to be a complete jack ass .. but yeah ..
Low vaccination rate together with delta .. disaster in the making. China jumps on even lower numbers .. if you let it spread you are even more fucked.
And those are the numbers you see, sometimes it’s a factor 2 - 5, sometimes higher that you don’t see..
For example at our peak we had 11k infections a day but it , so 70k a week while there where estimated 180k infections running around .
And before none knew , we had 240k infected running around with only 2 , 3 k official.. there are a lot of people spreading without symptoms or knowing they have it..
And if you do t have a system in place to handle or see these infections.. it gonna blow up in your face and overwhelm healthcare ..
Rinse repeat = covid
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Sakura
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Meanwhile in Japan we have over 10k cases a day and don't do anything.The fuck is happening in Australia? Military for 239 cases?
300 ADF troops to be deployed onto Sydney streets as restrictions tighten
An additional 300 Australian Defence Force personnel have been deployed onto Sydney’s streets after NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller submitted a formal request for assistance on Thursday. It comes as restrictions tightened within the eight local government areas of concern after the state...
Japan seems to have much better vaccination numbers though. Australia is trying to eliminate the virus, which with the Delta variant may not be possible without China-style lockdowns.
ManaByte
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FunkMiller
Member
Ah right. That makes sense. Not TFL, so no mask mandate.
Please do link me to the scientists that claim vaccines cause infertility.
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FunkMiller
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Which is impossible. And has always been impossible. And will continue to be impossible.
Australian government basically fucked the whole country with their vaccine program.
Sakura
Member
I didn't believe because Japan is only at 27% fully vaccinated, but I checked and Australia is even lower. Pretty surprising.
RAÏSanÏa
Member
Provincial Health has just announced shortening the recommended time between the first and second dose from 49 to 28 days for the outbreak area. Single doses aren't enough. The extra buff from the second is making a big difference. Mask mandate to be reviewed in 14 days when if cases are down and after the lag to make a correlation between the reported cases from the outbreak and hospitalizations/deaths.
Reduced wait should help for youth uptake and making 2nd dose immunity by the time school starts.
Reduced wait should help for youth uptake and making 2nd dose immunity by the time school starts.
With previous variants Australia was able to stop community transmission. It may still be possible with Delta, with a herculean effort. Though the problem is that Delta may not be containable via quarantine, so in that case it would just keep coming back.
Raven117
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Oh they are giddy that they can keep on imposing whatever restriction they want (and the endgame, the related social programs to support all that), so long as there is one case of Covid out there to scare people with.
Death rate is incredibly low. Hospitalization, low.
Obey, peasants.
FunkMiller
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Well, possibly. But you can't just keep locking entire metropolitan areas down. The only way out of covid as a threat to both health and economy is vaccination. There are no other alternatives.
But, you know, Morrison said it wasn't a race, so everything's fine.......
We’ll stretching the recommendations for time in between was always a gamble worldwide .. but hey not enough vaccines.. vaccine makers have a set time ..
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MilkyJoe
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It's not a claim that it does, its a warning they don't have any long term side effects data, nor do they have any fertility data, the same way thalidomide scientist didn't have any "will women give birth to hideous mutants" data.
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FunkMiller
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So, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that the covid vaccine has any effect on fertility - that's what you're saying?
And why the hell are you bringing up thalidomide? That is a sedative drug. Absolutely nothing to do with a vaccine. You might as well compare the covid vaccine to viagra.
...incidentally, thalidomide is still widely used in the United States and other countries, so might not be the best example to bring up
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RAÏSanÏa
Member
Yup, supply was an issue at the start. There's optimal ranges given from the studies, second will still boost outside those ranges.
What's worse is that these types of changes makes some vaxx hesitant.
Like the mask deception at the start of the pandemic we got here from Health Canada. Where they said masks didn't help to help protect supply for medical staff at the time. Its understandable to go this route if you're in control and want the loot lol and that medical staff needed it more and that there wasn't a lot of info and supply line scenarios were bleak. Doesn't build a lot of trust in community and erodes it. It might have been the right one to make though. As it was there was hoarding, exploitation and theft.
Like it seems to be the better choice getting the first shot into people knowing the optimal ranges be out of reach of supply.
While the % of Delta cases locally are ~20% half vaxxed(which could still overwhelm hospitals at this point, if it causes hospitalizations in half vaxxed) 75% are the unvaxxed. Wonder the time frame for 1st/2nd and how many were mixed of the remaining 5% of cases.
It'll be interesting when more studies and reports of the outbreak and the mixing of vaccines come out.
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DeepBreath87
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I just don’t know why people getting sick who choose not to vaccinate is causing so much consternation among the people that did and are protected. Talking about some unknown future variant that can evade vaccines isn’t that different from talking about some unknown future vaccine side effect. They’re both futile and stupid discussions.
People should get the vaccines. I’m fine with encouraging people however you want that doesn’t involve compelling them against their will. I’m not big on employers mandating them, but I guess you can quit if your job is forcing you to do something you don’t want to do.
But all this hand wringing and complaining and anger about people refusing to get the shots is just stupid. Get your shots if you’re worried. You’ll be ok. You very likely would’ve been ok anyway, but the shots all but guarantee it, which is awesome. We need to stop this nonsense. Covid isn’t going anywhere. This is life now. We don’t have to live it with this constant anxiety. It’s just not healthy.
People should get the vaccines. I’m fine with encouraging people however you want that doesn’t involve compelling them against their will. I’m not big on employers mandating them, but I guess you can quit if your job is forcing you to do something you don’t want to do.
But all this hand wringing and complaining and anger about people refusing to get the shots is just stupid. Get your shots if you’re worried. You’ll be ok. You very likely would’ve been ok anyway, but the shots all but guarantee it, which is awesome. We need to stop this nonsense. Covid isn’t going anywhere. This is life now. We don’t have to live it with this constant anxiety. It’s just not healthy.
Taxexemption
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So, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that the covid vaccine has any effect on fertility - that's what you're saying?
And why the hell are you bringing up thalidomide? That is a sedative drug. Absolutely nothing to do with a vaccine. You might as well compare the covid vaccine to viagra.
...incidentally, thalidomide is still widely used in the United States and other countries, so might not be the best example to bring up
Precautionary principle.
All of the best ideas and best things have already been invented. All new technological applications must be justified and carefully studied. I'm as a matter of philosophical perspective against anything new until we've had decades to study it.
I think it's very likely that technological progress will be our downfall.
MilkyJoe
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So, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever to suggest that the covid vaccine has any effect on fertility - that's what you're saying?
And why the hell are you bringing up thalidomide? That is a sedative drug. Absolutely nothing to do with a vaccine. You might as well compare the covid vaccine to viagra.
...incidentally, thalidomide is still widely used in the United States and other countries, so might not be the best example to bring up
Knows better than epidemiologists that think going all in with a new, never before used drug and vaccinating the entire planet, without long term side effects data might be a bad idea. Imagine not being able to see why
FunkMiller
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Knows better than epidemiologists that think going all in with a new, never before used drug and vaccinating the entire planet, without long term side effects data might be a bad idea. Imagine not being able to see why
You‘re so weird. You make statements, then refuse to back them up with any evidence.
What’s the point?
FunkMiller
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What should we be doing instead?
TheDreadBaron
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Err on the side of freedom.
The government can't provide protection, offers of safety are just power grabs.
Taxexemption
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Attempt to live normal healthy lives, exercise, eat a more traditional diet.
When I was a kid one of my cousins got chickenpox. My parents had us stay the night at his house so that we could all catch it while we were young.
If we do anything we should be throwing covid parties. We would have reached herd immunity by now. By socially and physically isolating we hurt our immune system, and making sure the spread is slow giving the virus additional time to evolve.
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Deleted member 17706
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From infected people, regardless of vaccination status. To say otherwise is just wishful thinking.
Sounds like a fun system once the booster shots move from recommended to mandated. I hope you enjoy the authoritarian state policies you are openly embracing and even calling for.
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QSD
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https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2391497-93-procent-bloeddonoren-heeft-antistoffen-tegen-corona
Dutch news reports that 93% (!!!) of recent Dutch blood donors have antibodies against Corona. That should be well past the point of functional herd immunity right?
Dutch news reports that 93% (!!!) of recent Dutch blood donors have antibodies against Corona. That should be well past the point of functional herd immunity right?
FunkMiller
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Sorry, but that’s just paranoia talking.
Is there much point having this conversation any more with you American fellas?
So many of you have this huge amount of suspicion in your government that the rest of us don’t.
FunkMiller
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You still at this point think Covid is no more dangerous than chicken pox?
Taxexemption
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The only thing dangerous about it is our overreaction to it.
Don't forget our suspicion of private for profit pharmaceutical companies, and billionaires like Bill Gates.
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Deleted member 17706
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Japan has 126,000,000 people in a much smaller space than Australia, which has 26,000,000 spread across an entire goddamn continent. They also aren't doing crazy strict lockdowns (thankfully, they legally cannot). Japan is doing pretty damn good by global standards.
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FunkMiller
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Some never go through the stages
Taxexemption
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Loon
Scaredy cat. Your immune system literally evolved for this. You were made for it. It has one job and you don't want to let it do it.
FunkMiller
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Ha ha. Oh, mate. Maybe a few months ago I might have engaged on this, but now I just think a metaphorical pat on the head and lollipop is the best way to deal with crackerjacks like you
TheDreadBaron
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Hey what's our history on playing god? Pretty flawless? Just trust the science bro.
12Goblins
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Pfizer vaccine effectiveness drops to 84 percent after six months: data
The effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine fell from 96 percent to 84 percent over six months, according to data released on Wednesday.The preprint study funded by the companies…
thehill.com
of note, "The efficacy of the vaccine against severe disease including hospitalizations remained high, at 97 percent."
seems like it will be a yearly thing
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TheDreadBaron
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I'm just talking about the balance of freedom and security, that's not paranoid thinking. I wonder what you imagine these crazy paranoid Americans look like.
Sakura
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Sorry if my meaning wasn't well presented in my post. I was more thinking that it was crazy how much Australia was doing with such few cases.
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Deleted member 17706
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Pfizer vaccine effectiveness drops to 84 percent after six months: data
The effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine fell from 96 percent to 84 percent over six months, according to data released on Wednesday.The preprint study funded by the companies…
of note, "The efficacy of the vaccine against severe disease including hospitalizations remained high, at 97 percent."
seems like it will be a yearly thing
Interesting data in the full PDF.
Note that it looked at data through March 21, so it includes very little data against the Delta variant.
DeaDPo0L84
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Dammit we just bought disneyworld tickets for October and they just implemented mask mandates for indoors,ugh.
ChuckeRearmed
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Chickenpox is much more dangerous than COVID. It is not even a comparison. Not to mention the new strains that are much less deadly (just as expected).
Gotta sell those boosters
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Deleted member 17706
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Sorry for replying to myself, but I'm reading through this and it's really interesting that this clinical trial, which I understand to be the basis for the Emergency Use Authorizations, actually does not show any benefit in mortality between the vaccine group and the placebo group during the double blind period or after.
Am I misunderstanding something with these numbers?
Now, I am not trying to say that vaccines are doing nothing to reduce death, but this is the clinical trial that got them Emergency Use Authorization, isn't it?
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ManaByte
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Oh this is going to go over well.
ktla.com
LAUSD to require COVID-19 testing for all students and staff, regardless of vaccination status
The Los Angeles Unified School District will require all students and employees who are returning for in-person instruction to participate in weekly COVID-19 testing — regardless of vaccination sta…
ktla.com
FunkMiller
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Are you trolling? You must be. Because you couldn’t possibly be dumb enough to actually think this.
Five seconds of Googling:
“Primary varicella occurs in all countries worldwide. In 2015 chickenpox resulted in 6,400 deaths globally – down from 8,900 in 1990.[6] There were 7,000 deaths in 2013.[14]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenpox
4.1 million deaths so far from Covid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data
Go stick your head in a bin and give it a wash, you big fruitcake.
QSD
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Eric Weinstein on Rebel Wisdom talking about the issues surrounding his brother etc.
Says a lot of stuff that makes sense to me... for example he asserts that if Pharma were to publicly relinquish the immunities they negotiated, that would help rebuild trust. He places the ball in the court of the institutions and corporations that squandered the trust that they enjoyed in days gone by. They need to move to convince the vaccine hesitant of their good intentions.
EDIT: listened to this to the end and, Decoding the Guru's be damned, Eric is REALLY on point the whole way through, everyone who's arguing in this thread ought to give it a listen.
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ChuckeRearmed
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So?
Oh I confused with smallpox. All in all, chickenpox is almost non-existent among adults anyway
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vpance
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Yeah the clinical trials from Pfizer and Moderna were cherry picking its data, and pretty sus overall. I forget the exact details, but Malone and Kirsch talked about it on Bret's podcast. That's the only place that I can recall it being discussed.