To be faaaiiiir, we have a vaccine for chickenpox plus it is far less deadly for children than adults (hence the chicken pox parties for kids), so looking at todays numbers of chicken pox versus covid is not an apples to apples comparison.
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Taxexemption
Member
I just don't trust a vaccine that came out in such a short period of time, and I think realistically we won't know of long term side effects for decades, so I'll take my chances and do nothing.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Famous last words.
Taxexemption
Member
I'm trying to save humanity actually. I believe if you can mandate vaccines in less than 100 years we will mandate gene therapy and this will result in a political fight over the genes to be mandated, and the end result will be a non-viable humanity.
If you take the Fermi-paradox at face value it seems likely that technological innovation plays a role in the great filter. It's not even about whether or not the vaccine works, it's about whether or not you like freedom and what the negative results of restricting it might be.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Taxexemption
Member
If I die without the vaccine I die free. If I die with it, I am nothing more than a slave of the empire. The shame I would feel after I got the vaccine would make life not worth living.
Making what I believe to be the correct moral and philosophical decision is more important than living.
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DeepBreath87
Banned
They’re going to have to sew a mask on my face. I’m not doing it anymore.
Hulk_Smash
Banned
Where are all the state-loving regulation-following morons now? You guys love this new trend of enforcing mask mandates even though we've had the vaccine for months now? Even in cities that have well over 50% vaccinated? ESPECIALLY in cities that have had the harshest lockdowns? I mean, it must feel horrible knowing everything they've been saying has been a massive con. (again, I am not anti-vax. I encourage people to get it if they feel it would help) but the bullshit politics is going to cost them. At some point the vast majority of Americans will begin to ignore them. Or they'll protest. A real protest, not the bullshit we saw over the summer or on Jan 6. One where the politicians are going to fear for the jobs.
Hulk_Smash
Banned
Not to mention, there are ZERO consequences for bringing in miltary, harsh lockdowns, forced quarantines, closing down businesses. I mean ZERO consequences. It's totally harmless. Don't pay attention to that soldier dude with the M16. Those bullets are rubber. Honest.
QSD
Member
This
I've been with you mostly through this thread but I don't know if masks are a hill you should want to die on. I'd recommend you listen to the Eric Weinstein interview I posted, he talks pretty frankly about having taken the vaccine without actually trusting J&J, the fuckery around masks and what it's done to public confidence in the leadership etc etc. There was a lot of wisdom in his words I thought.
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DeepBreath87
Banned
I simply don’t care. I was never at high risk from the virus. I’m at even less now, fully vaccinated. I’m simply not going to do it anymore. I wear one at work because that’s the job. I won’t be wearing one in public again. I know a bunch of people that didn’t wear them the entire pandemic. I played along as long for as long as I could. But I’m done now.
They don’t release their data behind the mask bullshit, and at this point, I don’t trust them enough to believe whatever data they are likely to release. If they have the data to make the decision, why delay its release by one more second? Just because? It’s a damn joke. It’s purposefully obfuscating the rationale behind the decisions they are making for no good reason.
I have zero faith in the public health officials at this point. None. They have been wrong or lied too many times. I’m not wearing a fucking mask just because they tell me to. Fuck that. Either the vaccine will keep me safe or it won’t. Either way, I am finished just going along. Enough.
QSD
Member
OKOK, never mind, didn't mean to trigger you
when times are tough and I have the feeling the man is putting his boot on me, I listen to this track, and I usually feel a bit better:
DeepBreath87
Banned
I’m not attacking you. Sorry if it came off that way. But I’m done playing along with this nonsense. The more we play along, the longer this goes on. Get the vaccine. Once you do that, your personal pandemic is over.
The vaccines either work or they don’t. And they appear to work very well based on everything I’ve personally seen in the community and hospital I live and work in. I’m not going to ignore what I have experienced because some hack at the CDC wherever else changed their mind this week once cases went up. Especially when they won’t even say what they’re using to justify this bullshit. I’m done being jerked around like that. It’s insulting. They are desperate to look like they’re doing something about the rise in cases. I’m not playing this game anymore. This is not science.
sonicwebster
Banned
Am I missing something, why is there a concern over wearing masks? We have been doing it for a year so far. Seriously what am I missing, what is the big deal?
Taxexemption
Member
1: People were told if they got the vaccine they could take off the mask. Now they are being told that isn't the case.
2: It's dehumanizing.
3: Wearing a mask is the opposite of traditional American values, and culture. If you let this persist for long enough it will erode the good parts of American culture, and all you will have left is the greed and the backstabbing. It's much easier to attack someone, to dehumanize them, to lie to them, all deception, cruelty, malice, it's all easier with a mask on your face and that of the other person. You know who wears masks? Bandits, bank robbers, anyone up to no good.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Man, this was brutal, but deserved.
Toons
Member
Ummmm if you die with it, I dont think you'll have to worry about life not being worth living anymore.
1. Because the virus mutated. Something that was said could happen for months, that is, if not enough people got vaccinated. Well.... not enough people got vaccinated.
2. Dehumanizing? Whats more Dehumanizing than a disease that we've seen can reduce you into a mound of flesh on an a medical bed with a thousand tunes jammed inside if you helping you breathe?
3. Ya know who else wears a mask? Miners who gather importsnt resources. Nurses and doctors and surgeons who save millions every day. Military soldiers, heroes where there may be a risk of toxic fumes or unhealthy pathogens. Painters who make our houses and buildings and places of business prettier. Id say masks have had a place in "traditional American values" for the last century or two.
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Rock And Roll
Member
Saagar and Krystal have been great with their coverage of the covid saga over the past 3 months or so.
Keihart
Member
Who knows, maybe take a look to Japan's , China and Korea urban population ? There doesn't seem to be any fucks given about wearing a mask.I wonder is there any studies of long term breathing in of mask fibre?
Masks are even fashion accessories.
I think that real masks, the ones that actually filter and could protect the wearer are not recommended for people with respiratory conditions.
sonicwebster
Banned
I definitely get that once we get vaccinated we wouldn't have to wear masks but or not even 50% as a country where I'm at or at least at my work we have masked since he began having stopped at all even with 70 percent of the people that I work with getting vaccinated even the boss is vaccinated and he wearsthe mask as well. I think we have to wait until we get to the 80% vaccinated before we can have a full-on permanent no more masks would just not there yet.
How is a dehumanizing?
What are the good parts of American culture that this is a eroding?
Raven117
Member
I’m done as well. Eff that. I played along, wore the mask, got the vaccine. Chances of me being hospitalized are close to zero.
Now they want to say “put a mask on even if vaccinated without a lick of science to back that up?”
Eff off cdc. And worse? I’m not alone… including states. They lost even more credibility than they already had with this nonsense.
Im done. And so are many other people (left and right)
Now they want to say “put a mask on even if vaccinated without a lick of science to back that up?”
Eff off cdc. And worse? I’m not alone… including states. They lost even more credibility than they already had with this nonsense.
Im done. And so are many other people (left and right)
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Classicrockfan
Banned
I work at Walmart and we were told starting today even if your vaccinated you have to wear your mask now.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Truth is, if pharma industry would have released an inactivated virus vaccine there would be no hesitancy at all.
But someone figured that hey, we’re getting emergency authorization so we can’t be sued… sounds like a good opportunity to get data on this new mRNA tech.
But someone figured that hey, we’re getting emergency authorization so we can’t be sued… sounds like a good opportunity to get data on this new mRNA tech.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Aye additional data is a beautiful thing, that's why science constantly evolves and stupid people stay the same
How in the fuck is it dehumanising, it's just covering your nose and mouth, it's not like you're wearing a burka and you only wear it inside when in public
Is that not American culture?
BarringGaffner
Member
That’s ridiculous. of course there would be hesitancy. Selfish cowards find a way. Conspiracy theorists find a way.
‘someone’? You don’t just flip a switch in your lab. Thank god the research was done that led them to be able to create this so insanely quickly.
The deaths are across the total population, and only 3.8% of those given a placebo contracted COVID. With an IFR of 0.5%, you would expect only 4 extra deaths in the placebo group, which could be swallowed up by variations in overall death rates across the two populations.
betrayal
Banned
I'm surprised that no country has advertised weight loss yet. Regardless of age, there are now several data and studies that show that 70-80% of hospitalizations are people with excess weight. In addition, there are other general health factors such as high blood pressure, diabetes and some more, which can occur independently of obesity. For 99.8% of the affected people, all these factors can be influenced and are usually self-inflicted.
Starting with a BMI of 23, the risk of hospitalization or death increases linearly for each BMI point. The younger you are, the stronger the increase (source: https://theconversation.com/severe-...stly-be-explained-by-obesity-new-study-159072).
CFR, IFR, severe disease progression, hospitalization rate - all these are many times lower for healthy people with a normal body weight.It is shocking how such trivial things are being ignored, because obesity, next to age, is the biggest driver of the death toll in this pandemic.
Starting with a BMI of 23, the risk of hospitalization or death increases linearly for each BMI point. The younger you are, the stronger the increase (source: https://theconversation.com/severe-...stly-be-explained-by-obesity-new-study-159072).
CFR, IFR, severe disease progression, hospitalization rate - all these are many times lower for healthy people with a normal body weight.It is shocking how such trivial things are being ignored, because obesity, next to age, is the biggest driver of the death toll in this pandemic.
QSD
Member
You didn't come off as attacking me, I just got taken aback by the anger level dude. One of the points Eric Weinstein made in the podcast that I thought was interesting is that when you lose trust in the authorities and come to see them as doing wrong, there's a tendency in a lot of people (I'm no stranger to this myself) to reflexively want to do the opposite of what they're saying/asking, but if you think about it that really isn't always the best or most reasonable course of action, all things considered. If you think about it, that's just another way to be under their control, right? (i.e. the meme that all Biden has to say is 'don't vaccinate!' and republicans will be lining up all of the sudden)
Basically I'd say roughly the same to you that I said to
DeepBreath87
... many (including many in this thread) have taken the vaccine despite all kinds of misgivings. We more or less decided to take one for the team. You can argue it's hypocritical and shameful, but I haven't really seen you say that to other posters, so you seem to understand that everyone makes their deliberations in this and other considerations besides philosophical convictions can matter. This was also brutal, but deserved
This is far from the truth, there was a huge amount of anti-pharma sentiment even before the pandemic. It isn't all about the type of vaccine, trust was being lost/squandered by pharma through various shenanigans for at least 20 years already. It's just that the pandemic put that shit center stage.
DeepBreath87
Banned
They didn’t release any data. When asked they said they would release it later. So no, this is not something they based on any available data. They have claimed to have seen data themselves, but they won’t let anyone see it. Forgive me if I don’t want to take what they’re saying in faith. Particularly with what is going on in the UK right now. If they had the data, they should’ve provided it to everyone immediately. You don’t get to force people to do things with literally no justification.
And I think part of the idea that covering your face is dehumanizing is part of the reason we don’t like the burka/hijab in the west, no?
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FunkMiller
Member
Jesus, you absolute fucker. You go and choose a gaming forum for the second coming. You're a magnificent cunt.
QSD
Member
LOL dude, as much as I understand why this is funny, if you're honest about it everybody is the hero in their own story. You, me, everyone we know.
FunkMiller
Member
Kev Kev
Member
thefool
Member
Interesting feature from Peter Doshi, senior editor of The BMJ, alerting how most control groups have been unblinded too soon.
www.bmj.com
Covid-19 vaccines: In the rush for regulatory approval, do we need more data?
After rollout under emergency authorisation, manufacturers of covid-19 vaccines now have their sights on regulatory approval. But what’s the rush, asks Peter Doshi , and is just six months of data from now unblinded trials acceptable? In April 2021, Pfizer and Moderna announced efficacy results...
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QSD
Member
Well? How many times have you saved humanity in the last month? Eh? Need to step up your game, funk bro.Well, clearly Taxexemption is beyond the rest of us. He's trying to save humanity, dammit!
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MisterFalcon
Member
Every day I give thanks to the Vaccine Resisters for allowing me to see another day.
Guileless
Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Yes, but telling someone they need to lose weight makes you a Nazi.
DeepBreath87
Banned
Goddamn. Me and Nate Silver agree about something. It really is the apocalypse.
Raven117
Member
lol. You know why. Please. Get this science out of here.
Raven117
Member
Yup…. Right on cue. Still, this seems like a huge step for the US to initiate any lockdowns….