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Crap Another one. Hurricane Ivan (Deserves his own Thread)
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Matrix said:
(MIMIC, of the Gaming Age forum community, solely owns the rights to refer to the ninth-named Atlantic tropical system of the 2004 hurricane season, "Ivan," as Ivan the Terrible. Any unauthorized use of this trademark is in violation of federal copyright laws. All persons and entities who violate the provisions of this copyright (title 17, U.S. Code) outlined in the United States Copyright are subject to prosecution under the penalties proscribed in the Copyright Law of the United States).
You will be hearing from my lawyer.
But seriously, 165?!
I wonder what the highest clocked winds are for a hurricane.
Whoa! What the fuck was that about it still being hurricane strength when it hits motherfucking Atlanta?
C'mon man, that's not funny now. My apartment building is OLD as all get out. The fucker will probably fall over one day on it's own, I don't even want to THINK about what a hurricane would do to it...
C'mon man, that's not funny now. My apartment building is OLD as all get out. The fucker will probably fall over one day on it's own, I don't even want to THINK about what a hurricane would do to it...
WTF, something else to worry about?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b195bd00.0409110318.57034f95@posting.google.com&output=gplain
a stealth hurricane ? :lol ok....
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http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b195bd00.0409110318.57034f95@posting.google.com&output=gplain
a stealth hurricane ? :lol ok....
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Smiles and Cries
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up 5 is not really news
Smiles and Cries
Member
we can hope
as of 5am EST.... Ivan is a Cat 4
http://hurricane.terrapin.com/text/1094993550-HAPT34US.TXT.html.en
http://hurricane.terrapin.com/text/1094993550-HAPT34US.TXT.html.en
Smiles and Cries
Member
155MPH same as it did a day ago then jumped back up
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
"THE INITIAL WIND SPEED IS REDUCED TO 135 KT ON THE BASIS OF THE ABOVE.
THE AIRCRAFT REPORTS A SECONDARY WIND MAXIMUM 27 N MI FROM THE
CENTER WHICH COULD BE THE START OF ANOTHER EYEWALL REPLACEMENT
CYCLE. THEREFORE THE WIND SPEED IS FORECAST TO INCREASE TO 145 KT
AT 12 AND 24 HOURS".
Its going to go back up.
THE AIRCRAFT REPORTS A SECONDARY WIND MAXIMUM 27 N MI FROM THE
CENTER WHICH COULD BE THE START OF ANOTHER EYEWALL REPLACEMENT
CYCLE. THEREFORE THE WIND SPEED IS FORECAST TO INCREASE TO 145 KT
AT 12 AND 24 HOURS".
Its going to go back up.
Smiles and Cries
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how much does science know about these storms anyway?
TekunoRobby
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YAY I'M OUT OF THE PATH, HURRAH HURRAH!
Tampa as well!
Tampa as well!
Phoenix
Member
naz said:
Science knows a great deal about them and has even in the past proposed ways to seed them to encourage them to die out faster. Anyways:
How hurricanes work
Amateurs search for hurricane cures
Sunday, September 12, 2004 Posted: 5:34 PM EDT (2134 GMT)
JACKSONVILLE, Florida (AP) -- Amateur hurricane-busters have come up with any number of crackpot ideas to spare Florida from ferocious storms. Among them: blowing hurricanes away with giant fans or blowing them up with nuclear warheads.
Even the federal government got into the act, with three decades of ill-fated research called "Project Stormfury" before shelving the idea of weather modification in the 1980s.
But dozens of ideas -- part hope, part fantasy -- continue to crop up among weather wonks, Internet bloggers and others who think they have come up with a way to spare coastal residents the misery of hurricanes.
Suggestions have included coating the surface of the water with olive oil; towing an iceberg down to Florida to cool down the water temperature; or building large fans on the coast to blow away approaching storms.
"And then there was a guy who called and said he could pray them away," said Hugh Willoughby, a research professor with the International Hurricane Center at Florida International University.
By far the most outlandish proposal, and one of the most recurrent, was the idea to use a nuclear warhead to blow a hurricane out of the water.
"Hurricanes are bad enough without being radioactive," Willoughby said. "Put that genie back in the bottle. Nuclear weapons are more dangerous than hurricanes."
Willoughby, who reviewed some of the proposed inventions when he was director of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's hurricane research division, said many of the ideas are quickly debunked for lacking a basic understanding of meteorology.
One government plan was to spread a substance on the water, but the wind and waves made it impossible to keep a slick, he said.
"All of these underestimate the scale of a storm," Willoughby said.
Still, one South Florida businessman thinks he has a winning idea -- flying a Boeing 747 into the monster storm, where it would hit it with tons of super absorbent powder, literally sucking it dry and breaking it apart.
Only a test will determine if it is a flight of fantasy, and there are no plans to try the process on the approaching Hurricane Ivan.
But businessman Peter Cordani, chief operating officer of Dyn-O-Mat, a company that sells environmental absorbent products, thinks he can knock down a storm by one or two categories.
He claims to have caused a thunderstorm to disappear in a test off Palm Beach, and he's assembled a team including two former astronauts to work on the plan.
"We have a lot of confidence in it," said Scott Mac Leod, one of the astronauts who tested the lunar module.
Others aren't so sure.
The government's Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory describes the proposal as a long-shot: Any effect of the absorbent powder would be small, and require thousands of tons of goop, flown into the storm in hundreds of sorties every half hour or so.
Willoughby said the project would be "hugely expensive for not much benefit."
"It would really take all of the military heavy-lift aircraft that the United States has to carry the material, and there would be a major air traffic control problem around the eye," he told the AP last year.
The government suggests that amateur hurricane busters focus their energy on more realistic goals -- enforcing building codes, educating the public about preparedness and helping poorer nations prepare for the storms.
Sunday, September 12, 2004 Posted: 5:34 PM EDT (2134 GMT)
JACKSONVILLE, Florida (AP) -- Amateur hurricane-busters have come up with any number of crackpot ideas to spare Florida from ferocious storms. Among them: blowing hurricanes away with giant fans or blowing them up with nuclear warheads.
Even the federal government got into the act, with three decades of ill-fated research called "Project Stormfury" before shelving the idea of weather modification in the 1980s.
But dozens of ideas -- part hope, part fantasy -- continue to crop up among weather wonks, Internet bloggers and others who think they have come up with a way to spare coastal residents the misery of hurricanes.
Suggestions have included coating the surface of the water with olive oil; towing an iceberg down to Florida to cool down the water temperature; or building large fans on the coast to blow away approaching storms.
"And then there was a guy who called and said he could pray them away," said Hugh Willoughby, a research professor with the International Hurricane Center at Florida International University.
By far the most outlandish proposal, and one of the most recurrent, was the idea to use a nuclear warhead to blow a hurricane out of the water.
"Hurricanes are bad enough without being radioactive," Willoughby said. "Put that genie back in the bottle. Nuclear weapons are more dangerous than hurricanes."
Willoughby, who reviewed some of the proposed inventions when he was director of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's hurricane research division, said many of the ideas are quickly debunked for lacking a basic understanding of meteorology.
One government plan was to spread a substance on the water, but the wind and waves made it impossible to keep a slick, he said.
"All of these underestimate the scale of a storm," Willoughby said.
Still, one South Florida businessman thinks he has a winning idea -- flying a Boeing 747 into the monster storm, where it would hit it with tons of super absorbent powder, literally sucking it dry and breaking it apart.
Only a test will determine if it is a flight of fantasy, and there are no plans to try the process on the approaching Hurricane Ivan.
But businessman Peter Cordani, chief operating officer of Dyn-O-Mat, a company that sells environmental absorbent products, thinks he can knock down a storm by one or two categories.
He claims to have caused a thunderstorm to disappear in a test off Palm Beach, and he's assembled a team including two former astronauts to work on the plan.
"We have a lot of confidence in it," said Scott Mac Leod, one of the astronauts who tested the lunar module.
Others aren't so sure.
The government's Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory describes the proposal as a long-shot: Any effect of the absorbent powder would be small, and require thousands of tons of goop, flown into the storm in hundreds of sorties every half hour or so.
Willoughby said the project would be "hugely expensive for not much benefit."
"It would really take all of the military heavy-lift aircraft that the United States has to carry the material, and there would be a major air traffic control problem around the eye," he told the AP last year.
The government suggests that amateur hurricane busters focus their energy on more realistic goals -- enforcing building codes, educating the public about preparedness and helping poorer nations prepare for the storms.
This is quite the interesting turn Ivan is making. Originally thought to go over the mountains in eastern Cuba, it may very well miss Cuba altogether. If it stays in the Panama straights, it may not weaken as fast as originally planned.
If I were in the Texas/Lousiana coastal area, I'd start worrying now.
If I were in the Texas/Lousiana coastal area, I'd start worrying now.
Culex said:
What I don't understand is why most of the meteorologists have Ivan forecasted to weaken to a Category 3 after it enters the Gulf of Mexico. I'm definitely no expert on the weather, but from what I've learned by just WATCHING the various news reports on hurricanes, the warm waters provided by the Gulf energize hurricanes, causing them to become stronger and more devastating. Although I DO hear a lot of talk about "wind sheer" regarding Ivan...but I wouldn't think that it would be strong enough to eclipse the natural cycle of the Gulf of Mexico, paired with a hurricane.
ConfusingJazz
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MIMIC said:
I think a cold front or a high pressure region is there.
Ivan's intensity has been fluctuating between 140 and 165 mph winds, just a 25mph range. The reason it seems to change categories so frequently is because 155 mph is the threshold above which a storm is assigned category 5 status. In many instances it's wind speed has been reported as 155mph making it category 4 even though it would be category 5 had the wind speed been 156mph. Therefore, it really has been a consistently deadly hurricane since last Sunday.
The reason it is expected to weaken in the Gulf of Mexico is that wind shear is forecast to increase. However, it is still expected to be a major (category 3 or greater) hurricane when it makes landfall in the US. However, Ivan's path has become a bit more wobbly and westerly. It's forward speed has also decreased tremendously. None of this was predicated beforehand. Therefore, I really don't trust forecasts that try to look days ahead. These systems are just too unpredicatable.
The reason it is expected to weaken in the Gulf of Mexico is that wind shear is forecast to increase. However, it is still expected to be a major (category 3 or greater) hurricane when it makes landfall in the US. However, Ivan's path has become a bit more wobbly and westerly. It's forward speed has also decreased tremendously. None of this was predicated beforehand. Therefore, I really don't trust forecasts that try to look days ahead. These systems are just too unpredicatable.
I dunno, I still think its going to make a sharp turn at some point. Its just not going to happen as soon as predicted. Its going to hit the gulf then, basically, turn around and go the other way. Of course, if it hits closer to Western FL, then that means school may be cancelled for me. Then again, I would kind of hope it had weakened by that point so it doesn't screw anything else up for people.
Then again, I would kind of hope it had weakened by that point so it doesn't screw anything else up for people. - Status