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Daily Show: Christopher Hitchens

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Mandark

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I haven't much Hitchens, but in the interview he basically managed to run through all the things he does that annoy me, while coming of as a fat, pussy toad. The most disturbing part was towards the end of the interview, though, when he started talking about all the "allies we don't know we have."

Basically, his big argument is that there is a war within Islam, of the Good Secular Muslims vs. the Bad Jihadist Muslims. The good guys like us, the bad guys don't like us. Also, the ones who like us are good, and the ones who don't like us are bad.

He's basically trying to frame the conflict in a way to appeal to (or at least shame) liberals, by appealing to their love of civil rights, individual freedom, separation of church and state, and and all that jazz. If you like these things, how can you not be on the side of others who like them?

Of course, there's the sticky question of whether that gives us the right to unleash all the death, destruction, injury, and misery that comes with war so we can implement a new society in another country. But he gets around this by inventing a silent majority of Middle Eastern Muslims who are not only liberal, but who love American culture too.

He avoids another issue by pretending that any secular Muslim who allies themself with the US is a good guy. It never occurs to him that someone may be secular, and may have a strategic reason to work with the US, but may not be entirely altruistic. So Hitchens winds up dissing Mother Theresa while he defends Achmed Chalabi.

There's also a big part missing from his calculus: people who might not be religious fanatics in either the Wahabbi or Khomeini mold, but who are also distrustful of the United States. For all his fancy words, Hitchens is basically pushing a version of the Manichean "they hate us for our freedoms" line. He equates discussion of US policy blowback in the middle east to appeasing terrorists, which is the sort of laziness you'd expect to find here, not in the pages of the snooty magazines that pay him.

There's a ton more to bitch about in the interview, including his fetish about the word "insurgents," but I'm trying to keep this readable. Oh well, at least Steven Colbert was good.
 

etiolate

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Haha, when I watched the interview the thought "I bet this guy pisses off Mandark" ran through my head. I wasn't sure why, but he just seemed the type.
 

Socreges

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But he gets around this by inventing a silent majority of Middle Eastern Muslims who are not only liberal, but who love American culture too.
And apparently every student in Iran has an American flag sown onto their backpack, or something equally unbelievable.
 

XS+

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Hitchens is quite the phony. A self-described leftist, once a prominent fixture at The Nation, who now regularly sides with neo-conservatives, justifying his betrayal as a moral necessity in this time of "war." He is a piece of shit and an intellectual fraud. Did you know he endorsed Bush?
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
XS+ said:
He is a piece of shit and an intellectual fraud. Did you know he endorsed Bush?

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drohne

hyperbolically metafictive
hitchens' evangelical secularism isn't a pose; that's long been one of his central ideas.

i quite like his writing (still), but he's very irritating at speaking engagements.
 

Azih

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You know I'd love to see this, if DAILY SHOW FANS WEREN'T STONED SLACKERS WHO REFUSED TO PUT UP TORRENTS.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
Azih said:
You know I'd love to see this, if DAILY SHOW FANS WEREN'T STONED SLACKERS WHO REFUSED TO PUT UP TORRENTS.

Dude, they only rerun the Daily Show like four times a day!
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
Azih said:
It wouldn't be if you Yanks could figure out how to use der computar.

BitTorrenting television shows is illegal and immoral, sir. Don't be bitter because I'm doing my job as a well-educated citizen of this great democracy. Peddle your Canadian propoganda somewhere else!
 

Azih

Member
Willco said:
BitTorrenting television shows is illegal and immoral, sir. Don't be bitter because I'm doing my job as a well-educated citizen of this great democracy. Peddle your Canadian propoganda somewhere else!
Gay sex and pot use leads to universal health care and low crime rates. FACT!
 

Azih

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He's probably trying to take the examples of Christians who just go to church on sundays and never think about it for the rest of the week and apply it to Muslims. So you just go through the motions one or two hours in a week and it doesn't affect your life at all outside of it. (Hey presto, secular religous person!)
 

Ripclawe

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or reading Qur'an 24:30-31 about a veil and not think everyone should wear a burqa.. Hitchens probably means Moderate Muslims vs fundie Muslims.

So Hitchens winds up dissing Mother Theresa while he defends Achmed Chalabi.

Hitchens is not a religious person and Mother Theresa has never been a favorite of his, I think he went off about her on the day of her memorial that got him in some trouble. The future column on the Pope should be riot worthy.
 

Azih

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I know, I also have to get up early for work. hell I'm not going to have to dig out a VCR am i?
 

Azih

Member
Ripclawe said:
or reading Qur'an 24:30-31 about a veil and not think everyone should wear a burqa.. Hitchens probably means Moderate Muslims vs fundie Muslims.

I dunno, there are a TON of people out there for whom 'Moderate Muslim' means someone who doesn't have Islam affect them at all outside of a few hours on Friday and anybody more comitted scary fundamentalist. It's projecting the idea of the 'Moderate Christian who leaves religion in the church' onto muslims. Reading their views is pretty difficult for me because their base assumptions are pretty alien to me.
 

ShadowRed

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Ripclawe said:
or reading Qur'an 24:30-31 about a veil and not think everyone should wear a burqa.. Hitchens probably means Moderate Muslims vs fundie Muslims.



Hitchens is not a religious person and Mother Theresa has never been a favorite of his, I think he went off about her on the day of her memorial that got him in some trouble. The future column on the Pope should be riot worthy.



No he wrote a book before she died running her into the ground for taking donations from dicators and doing photo ops with some of them. He in not so many words called her a fraud, in the face of her living in India and working with the poor. Then he sited the fact that there are still poor people in India as a reason that Mother Theresa was a scam artist. Nevermind the fact that she died dirt poor working with the lowest of the low, for some unknown reason he had a big hard on for the lady. I don't know if he was mad because she wouldn't put out for him or what. He also ran her down again after she died and on one show I saw was plugging his book about her. He's a class act that guy.
 

explodet

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No torrents, but some dude actually does cap The Daily Show - I get it off newsgroups if I miss an episode. It's about 80MB.
 

Flynn

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Drinky Crow said:
How do you have a "secular Muslim"? That's, like, pure oxymoron.

A secular muslim is like a Jew that only goes to temple for funerals and big holidays or a Christian who catches a Chrismas service every couple of years.

In other words, there are many of them.
 

Ripclawe

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ShadowRed said:
No he wrote a book before she died running her into the ground for taking donations from dicators and doing photo ops with some of them. He in not so many words called her a fraud, in the face of her living in India and working with the poor. Then he sited the fact that there are still poor people in India as a reason that Mother Theresa was a scam artist. Nevermind the fact that she died dirt poor working with the lowest of the low, for some unknown reason he had a big hard on for the lady. I don't know if he was mad because she wouldn't put out for him or what. He also ran her down again after she died and on one show I saw was plugging his book about her. He's a class act that guy.

Here is one of his articles on her

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12495017&method=full&siteid=50143
 
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