They saw her leaving the Beach and near the Diner, but there's a more specific and damning piece of evidence than that.
Glad to see I'm not the only one taken for a ride with the early Chapter 2 Trial part haha.
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Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair |OT| Sun, Fun, and Despair
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Glad to see I'm not the only one taken for a ride with the early Chapter 2 Trial part haha.
Finished chapter 2. Wow, did not quite go the way I was expecting...
Despair...
At first, before the trial even started, I was thinking that Ibuki probably did it. Fuyuhiko and Hiyoko were obvious bait, so it couldn't be them. Only once washing up the blood and the death announcement(which I did think at the time, but not in this way) came up did I make the connection that Peko had to be connected, but I thought it was another red herring at first. I knew the "Sparkling Justice" thing would come up, but the emoticons and the way she kept a level tone throughout that embarassing monologue had my jaw on the floor.
I only figured out the whole story once the voting ended and Peko tried to make Fuyuhiko out to be the real killer. It was a bit sad when Fuyuhiko only managed to tell Peko how he felt about her just as she was ready to face her execution stoicly. And then that moment where Fuyuhiko nearly dies... Despair. Side note, this chapter is really making me think that Nagito is the MC from DR1, a lot of what he says is very similar to the type of thing Makoto said during the trials in that game. In either case, his characterization at this point unfortunately puts him in Byakua's role, untrustworthy but invaluable for his deduction skill, although unlike Byakua I actually do hate his guts. Chiyaki seems to be in Kirigiri's role on the other hand.
At this point I think Fuyuhiko is sure to be murdered before he recovers, whether that's in chapter 3(Most likely) or later.
I only figured out the whole story once the voting ended and Peko tried to make Fuyuhiko out to be the real killer. It was a bit sad when Fuyuhiko only managed to tell Peko how he felt about her just as she was ready to face her execution stoicly. And then that moment where Fuyuhiko nearly dies... Despair. Side note, this chapter is really making me think that Nagito is the MC from DR1, a lot of what he says is very similar to the type of thing Makoto said during the trials in that game. In either case, his characterization at this point unfortunately puts him in Byakua's role, untrustworthy but invaluable for his deduction skill, although unlike Byakua I actually do hate his guts. Chiyaki seems to be in Kirigiri's role on the other hand.
At this point I think Fuyuhiko is sure to be murdered before he recovers, whether that's in chapter 3(Most likely) or later.
Despair...
I think it's rope shot at "someone is lying." I not a 100% sure on the rope part, but I am sure you have to present evidence at someone is lying.
That was right, thank you! I totally didn't catch on to that.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
There is a piece of evidence that contradicts the strangle theory (or vice versa). Think about it and review the evidence carefully. I don't remember if you have to shoot the rope at the statement, or the other truth bullet at the rope statement, but think along those lines. If she was strangled, she couldn't have been hanged, right? What evidence initially told you how the person died?
Edit: oops guess I was too late lol
I'm pretty pissed off about the last Ch 3 Monokuma doll. Location spoiler:
You can only get it during the investigation phase and it was the one in the motel beside the sink. I only saw it once I clicked on the sink, but that was the last interactable thing I had left in the whole investigation, so I got booted out to go to Monokuma Rock.
Right, so... Chapter 2 is done. That was really good. That was really, really good. I don't think the case was as, ah, intellectually satisfying as Chapter 1's, but I liked a lot of the twists and gimmicks. A lot crazier than Chapter 1, to be sure. I'm a little, uh, sapped right now, so I'm not gonna summarize, like, everything I was feeling during the case but (and I'll spoiler from this point on, DR1 and 2 spoilers for chapter 2 abound)
all this said no one is talking about the greatest tragedy of Chapter 2
that was... quite an ending. I knew something was up when Peko claimed she was that famous serial killer, admittedly partly clued in by Sonia's muted reaction, but it just seemed like such a strange direction for the character and they'd already covered that ground in the previous game. Plus, you know something is up when a character is encouraging things be put to vote. And so when everyone started demanding the vote, I was... well, internally cringing. Particularly when Sonia was just about to try and salvage the conversation.
...well, all that aside, that was an amazing ending. I think the main distinction I've found here, between DR1 and DR2, is that there's a much more concerted effort to make the killers out to be much more sympathetic individuals. In truth, there weren't many, if any, murderers in DR1 really worth legitimately understanding. Mondo was probably the most 'human' killer in the game, and even then, it was hard to wrap your head around how easily Chihiro set him off and how severe his reaction was. And, of course, Celeste was just totally monstrous. DR2 has really made a much more concerted effort to get us to understand and sympathize with the murderers, and their intensely personal reasons for going so far as to kill. Even if I didn't find myself quite understanding Peko's apparent lack of self-worth, where she seemed to define herself purely by her value to Fuyuhiko - when the flood-gates broke and Fuyuhiko shouted how he only wanted 'her', I was pretty thunderstruck, especially when the execution began in earnest. The tragedy. :'(
As an aside, I'm never going to get over those amazing emotion faces in the dialogue.
Apparently I wished on some terrible monkey's paw of despair when I said that I wanted it to be Fuyuhiko instead of Sonia, though. That rabbit hole went deep. ;_;
One thing in particular that I noticed was a particular duality between Case 2 of DR2 and Case 2 of DR1. A few things are pretty clear from the get go, what with the mid-trial 'actually a serial killer' reveal, complete with twisted 'alternate' personality, and I think, particularly with Fuyuhiko and Mondo - the former was the 'Ultimate Yakuza' and the latter was 'Ultimate Gang Leader'. I think the common link there is pretty clear, but I kinda liked, too, how it sort of played with those similarities, as well. Fuyuhiko had a younger sister where Mondo had an older brother; both were conducting crimes of passion (driven by the memory of their siblings, albeit in different contexts) - only Peko had beat his instincts to the punch where Mondo had nothing like that. Probably a few more things, but those were the biggest parallels that I noticed.
...well, all that aside, that was an amazing ending. I think the main distinction I've found here, between DR1 and DR2, is that there's a much more concerted effort to make the killers out to be much more sympathetic individuals. In truth, there weren't many, if any, murderers in DR1 really worth legitimately understanding. Mondo was probably the most 'human' killer in the game, and even then, it was hard to wrap your head around how easily Chihiro set him off and how severe his reaction was. And, of course, Celeste was just totally monstrous. DR2 has really made a much more concerted effort to get us to understand and sympathize with the murderers, and their intensely personal reasons for going so far as to kill. Even if I didn't find myself quite understanding Peko's apparent lack of self-worth, where she seemed to define herself purely by her value to Fuyuhiko - when the flood-gates broke and Fuyuhiko shouted how he only wanted 'her', I was pretty thunderstruck, especially when the execution began in earnest. The tragedy. :'(
As an aside, I'm never going to get over those amazing emotion faces in the dialogue.
Apparently I wished on some terrible monkey's paw of despair when I said that I wanted it to be Fuyuhiko instead of Sonia, though. That rabbit hole went deep. ;_;
One thing in particular that I noticed was a particular duality between Case 2 of DR2 and Case 2 of DR1. A few things are pretty clear from the get go, what with the mid-trial 'actually a serial killer' reveal, complete with twisted 'alternate' personality, and I think, particularly with Fuyuhiko and Mondo - the former was the 'Ultimate Yakuza' and the latter was 'Ultimate Gang Leader'. I think the common link there is pretty clear, but I kinda liked, too, how it sort of played with those similarities, as well. Fuyuhiko had a younger sister where Mondo had an older brother; both were conducting crimes of passion (driven by the memory of their siblings, albeit in different contexts) - only Peko had beat his instincts to the punch where Mondo had nothing like that. Probably a few more things, but those were the biggest parallels that I noticed.
all this said no one is talking about the greatest tragedy of Chapter 2
we never got to see ibuki's swimsuit
Crash Station
Member
Ch 2.
That fucking http://goput.it/bnx.jpg name drop read my mind after finally figuring that out. I was thinking that was straight out of AA.
Ch 3 (also DR1)
These cases are getting crazier and crazier.
What is even going on.
I don't really like this new PTA thingy. Holding down buttons was a little weird, but I got used to it. What's annoying is the closing statement, because there's sometimes multiple phrases that make sense. This time for instance,
These cases are getting crazier and crazier.
I can't say I'm totally surprised Mikan was secretly a loony, but she really went above and beyond. Great acting from the JP VA, too. I felt her execution was a bit underwhelming, though. She just rocketpunched into space. Rip Mikan, providing fanservice to the end.
The case itself really kept me guessing. I knew something was up with the gowns and bags, but I had no idea it was Mikan. At first I thought Ibuki faked her death, or the disease made her reenact the movie including suicide, but neither of those made sense. Then I thought it was Nagito for a while, but that didn't make sense either. They did a good job of making these cases way more twisty than the first game, where you usually knew he did it before going in.
So, non-case stuff. This Despair Disease is intriguing. Nagito calls Mikan Ultimate Despair, does that mean anyone with that title is infected by the disease? Is that why Junko was so crazy?
And let's see, if Monomi is actually a pawn of the Future Foundation... That means they're separate from Monokuma and Ultimate Despair? I suspected there were two parties at work, but why is there more than one evil organization? That's too many!
And now Nekomaru's a robot.
The case itself really kept me guessing. I knew something was up with the gowns and bags, but I had no idea it was Mikan. At first I thought Ibuki faked her death, or the disease made her reenact the movie including suicide, but neither of those made sense. Then I thought it was Nagito for a while, but that didn't make sense either. They did a good job of making these cases way more twisty than the first game, where you usually knew he did it before going in.
So, non-case stuff. This Despair Disease is intriguing. Nagito calls Mikan Ultimate Despair, does that mean anyone with that title is infected by the disease? Is that why Junko was so crazy?
And let's see, if Monomi is actually a pawn of the Future Foundation... That means they're separate from Monokuma and Ultimate Despair? I suspected there were two parties at work, but why is there more than one evil organization? That's too many!
And now Nekomaru's a robot.
What is even going on.
I don't really like this new PTA thingy. Holding down buttons was a little weird, but I got used to it. What's annoying is the closing statement, because there's sometimes multiple phrases that make sense. This time for instance,
I tried "Bonus Theater Prize" and "Theater Prize Bonus", but no it has to be "Theater Bonus Prize".
I wonder if it made more sense in Japanese.
It was more along the lines of forming a sentence in Japanese, which tends to be a bit more formulaic. Example (spoilers for chapter 1 trial). 骨付き肉 is how it's correctly formed, and to my knowledge it wouldn't be spelled differently.
Chapter 3 Mid-Trial:
Oh boy, this is a tricky one. Might as well throw up some random speculation I'm having for future interest.
. Still have no clue why
Ok, random thoughts over.
Oh boy, this is a tricky one. Might as well throw up some random speculation I'm having for future interest.
Ok, so it seems clear that the video you see right before the morning announcement is an elaborate stunt to put up a false alibi. The curtain that doesn't fit, the bag over the head to hide identity, broken camera right before the actual hanging and lack of blood on the stepladder all point to that. So, who benefits the most from that? The most obvious answer right now would be Mikan. That would mean her stupid "fell asleep on top of you" stunt wasn't a stupid fan service moment, but an elaborate ploy to give her an alibi. She would also have the medical knowledge necessary to warm the room and disguise time of death. This means she does need an accomplice to perform the actual video, though. Obvious answer to that would be Nagito as he seems willing to help murderers do anything.
Hiyoko was killed. Accidentally interfered with Ibuki's killing? That doesn't make much sense as evidence points to her being killed prior to Ibuki. Stumped on this one.
Ok, random thoughts over.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I'm only at the beginning of ch2 but I quite like the english VA. my favourites so far are probably Kuzuryu, Ibuki, Togami, Teruteru, Monomi, Saionji
The only "bad" one would be Tsumiki but really it's the character trope directing more than anything. Nekomaru can be pretty funny at times but I dislike the always yelling dudebro character at times too. Chiaki was a little too quiet for some scenes and especially in the trial her lines just get muffled up by the music.
The only "bad" one would be Tsumiki but really it's the character trope directing more than anything. Nekomaru can be pretty funny at times but I dislike the always yelling dudebro character at times too. Chiaki was a little too quiet for some scenes and especially in the trial her lines just get muffled up by the music.
What i've had to end up doing is turn the music down to 2 clicks and the voices up all the way, that seems to make the more soft voices (chiaki, peko, etc.) less muffled.
hosannainexcelsis
Member
Chapter 3:
This is getting really far out there; I'm not even sure how I should take this.
So now there's a Despair Disease running around making people act crazy.
Yeah kinda like how
you can't change in the bath house but we had to bring up the kimono thing first.
By the way, I've been playing PTA by timing my button presses. You're supposed to hold it down and release instead???
GreatMightySymp
Member
Started the beginning of the Ch5 investigation.
Welp, things just got real. Doubting it was Sonia since it's way too obvious for a game that purposefully subverts those notions.
Dis trial gunbgud.
Dis trial gunbgud.
CrackPebbles
Member
Just finished chapter 3 trial
My heart is broken... she was my favorite character...really feeling that despair right now..
Who, Mikan?
Holy shit at the end of Chapter 2.
I feel the despair.
That was a great trial, some really solid twists and turns and I loved how self referential it was to DR1. The highlight for me was the execution scene though. I've always felt that besides a very few - one of them being Leon's execution in DR1 - most of the execution scenes fall flat in this series because of how over the top they are. This was still over the top, but it had a really important human aspect to it. Peko lived for her Master, to the point that she was willing to sacrifice her own life to ensure his survival, and to forcibly cut down her own master would have been far more horrible for her than death itself. So well done. Monokuma's intent wasn't for him to die as well, but for Peko to believe in her dying moments that she had killed the only person that mattered to her.
I feel the despair.
You might want to spoiler that murder weapon that you mentioned yourself.
Astral/H3X
Member
I fucking hate this Hangman's Gambit where it takes 4 minutes for it to display a SINGLE fucking R.
CielTynave
Member
Stuck at what I'm assuming is the last part of the third trial...
Need to find out what proves that Mikan in the one who filmed the video. Options are Blood on the soles, rope used for hanging, Mikan's account, A/C temperature, and surveillance camera unit. I'm thinking Mikan's account but I have no idea what to use it on.
Not straight answer:
It's not part of the initial truth bullets. Record a statement by holding triangle and fire it at another.
Straight answer:
Record Chiaki's last statement saying something like "The killer's mistake" and fire it when Mikan mentions the camera angle, as she shouldn't know anything about that.
Playing on Mean for Logic and I love the times I get stuck. Have powered through those moments myself thus far, and case 3 is definitely when I got stuck the most.
I fast forward it. Don't even care about the letters colliding. Get through it ASAP.
Just finished Chapter 4 and it's my fave so far.
Astral/H3X
Member
Huh, I didn't know that was even possible. I'll try it next time it presents itself, as that and the rhythm battle thing (which is even worse and more unresponsive than DR1's?) are definitely the worst parts of the classroom trials.
Really love the new rebuttal system. Adds a great dynamic to the trials, however the "sword battle" they involve isn't the best.
Just got to chapter 4 and I'm not sure which is my favorite. I really liked the first case, which had some of my favorite moments in the game
including Nagito's "breakdown" as well as his "No, that's wrong." rebuttal.
I actually really like the sword battle, now that I know what I'm doing. The first game was kind of missing the feel of a straight head-to-head argument, and this does a good job of it. I like how you have to quickly destroy the text, but also have to pay enough attention to know what it's saying.
couple chapters in and im enjoying this game but not quite as much as the first one...not as into the characters and the setting is less interesting/ominous. that said there have been some amazing little things like
i also think the new trial mechanics are pretty whack...not that they were amazing in the first game but the sword one in particular is just kind of tedious. i hope in the future they really perfect the gameplay element of the trials and focus on the logical questions as opposed to kind of silly mini games because everything else about these games is pretty rad.
game within a game.
i also think the new trial mechanics are pretty whack...not that they were amazing in the first game but the sword one in particular is just kind of tedious. i hope in the future they really perfect the gameplay element of the trials and focus on the logical questions as opposed to kind of silly mini games because everything else about these games is pretty rad.
That's pretty much what I dislike about it. It's mindless swiping until reaching the point where you have to quickly stumble to select the correct blade for a statement, lest you get pushed back to the previous argument.
So far, I prefer DR1 overall (music, intrigue, novelty...), but the cases and classroom trials have been more engaging in DR2.
CielTynave
Member
Just saw the end of chapter 3...
wat
wat
I had to try about 10 combinations on te end of PTA in Chapter 3.
Considering how long Chapter 1s took, I think they are my least favorite part of the game. You know the answer, but not what arcane phrasing the game wants you to use
I'm guessing these worked better in Japanese, because otherwise who thought these were good ideas?
Considering how long Chapter 1s took, I think they are my least favorite part of the game. You know the answer, but not what arcane phrasing the game wants you to use
I'm guessing these worked better in Japanese, because otherwise who thought these were good ideas?
Ch 4
This chapter is messing with my head.
MECHAMARU NO. I WAS YOUR BRO. EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE.
Brought back only to die. Poor Akane.
The deaths in this game are generally hitting me harder than DR1, because I'm finding the cast a lot more evenly likable.
e: Wait what, why am I Nagito now. Not okay with this.
And now it's a point and click room escape.
Brought back only to die. Poor Akane.
The deaths in this game are generally hitting me harder than DR1, because I'm finding the cast a lot more evenly likable.
e: Wait what, why am I Nagito now. Not okay with this.
And now it's a point and click room escape.
This chapter is messing with my head.
MisterShine
Member
Just finished the game.. quite a 'trip'
If the first game was a B+, this game is a solid A-. It could be better, and I hope we get the upcoming sequel translated, and the series can ascend to heights it can easily reach.
If the first game was a B+, this game is a solid A-. It could be better, and I hope we get the upcoming sequel translated, and the series can ascend to heights it can easily reach.
Chapter 3:
what the christ
EDITTTTT
MONDO CHAPTER 3 MURDER SPOILERS
what the christ
what
what is happening
wtf nagito
ibuki WHAT
what is happening
wtf nagito
ibuki WHAT
EDITTTTT
MONDO CHAPTER 3 MURDER SPOILERS
http://abload.de/img/2393539-5579905176-th0pkny.gif
NO
NONONONONONO NOTTTTT HAPPENING
IBUKIIIIIIIIIIIII
FUCK THIS VIDEO GAME ;_____________;
NO
NONONONONONO NOTTTTT HAPPENING
IBUKIIIIIIIIIIIII
FUCK THIS VIDEO GAME ;_____________;
