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[MetroidPrimeRib]

I don't get why some of you keep watching the series if you dislike it so much, you don't like it, ok, no problem, but do you really need to keep watching the show to trash every episode released?

In this case? Yes...its the ending of a series I care about. Its not like the DC Cinematic Universe where I will happily skip it all because I wasn't invested, but I was actually invested in this storyline. I read Naruto and Bleach to the end because there was a time when I generally liked them. This is the same.

 

[Trigonometrize.]

I don't get why some of you keep watching the series if you dislike it so much, you don't like it, ok, no problem, but do you really need to keep watching the show to trash every episode released?

The show started off good and is the sequel to one of my favorite games. I think I'm justified in continuing to watch it and voicing my opinion.

 

[Razmos]

I think its

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possible that Chiaki survived, but was heavily paralyzed, and gets disguised as Gekkougahara. (And is not dead)

Jozu was a lot more sympathetic after that episode. Though I don't think having his secret infatuation being revealed was good enough reason to let Junko get away with it, but then again it's a deeply personal thing and he can't have known what his inaction would lead to

 

[SephiZack]

If I disliked a show this much I would've dropped it even with 3 episodes left

I'm enjoying both, but even when I don't enjoy an anime I tend to watch it until the end because I prefer to finish the ones I start

 

[Demoli]

I think its

Spoiler

possible that Chiaki survived, but was heavily paralyzed, and gets disguised as Gekkougahara. (And is not dead)

Jozu was a lot more sympathetic after that episode. Though I don't think having his secret infatuation being revealed was good enough reason to let Junko get away with it, but then again it's a deeply personal thing and he can't have known what his inaction would lead to

Mate, everyone, she has more whole than swiss cheese, it's pining, it's passed on.This waifu! Shee has ceased to be. It has expired and gone to see her maker.

She's stiff, bereft of life, she rests in peace! If Junko hadn't impaled her to the ground she'd be pushing up the daisies.
Her metabolic processes are now history! She's off the twig!
She's kicked the bucket, she's shuffled off her mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleeding choir invisibile!

She's an ex-Waifu

At this point Kirigiri has more chances, and her's are just above null.

 

[Sky Interloper]

Despair 10

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So, that happened.

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Even if Juzo's reason for betraying Munakata is understandable, it is still stupid. So you're acting like a stalker (?) around your best friend, and someone has blackmail on you. But considering the person is the one directly responsible for the death of almost the entire Student Council and the uprisng of the Reserve Course, I say romance issues and the awkwardness that would come from the revelation is worth it in order to stop this girl. Of course, I don't see Junko leaving him alive if he refused that offer, but the resolution of that scene felt forced.

Spoiler

And we got torture porn for the second half of the episode! Even if we dodged a bullet with the direct use of the brainwashing video (in part, as Ryota's techniques were still in use as their inability to move demonstrated), we got the expected result of everyone despairing because of Chiaki's death. Even if the scenes by themselves were harsh, the fact that Chiaki became a sacrificial sue is dissapointing. And considering the last scene, I expect AI Chiaki's creator to be retconned to Izuru - it seems that faded emotions from Hajime still remain in him, so he may be interested in investigating why this person was so important to his previous personality (of course, we have to ignore that their interaction was spare at most in the anime, but let's roll with it for the time being).

Spoiler

As for the end of Despair, we have two possibilities in play here:

1. Spoiler

   An episode dedicated to either everything happening until the start of Zero, or a montage until DR1.
2. Spoiler

   A final episode dedicated to Izuru and the NWP (if it's touched at all), with possible retcons about its creators.

 

[NeonZ]

They still haven't shown the most despairing event in humanity's history. Would they really skip that?

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

They still haven't shown the most despairing event in humanity's history. Would they really skip that?

mate i think they are going to skip Zero, so yes

 

[Azure Phoenix]

Despair 10

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I never thought it could hurt any more to be a Chiaki fan, but having to watch 15 mins of her being tortured and broken, crawling in her own blood to Hinata at the very end is enough to drive anyone to despair.

 

[Red Frost]

Here's what's gonna happen. Future 11 is going to end with division 13 in some control room being alerted of the remnants escaping the island. One of the members will be distraught and turn toward someone off-screen saying something along the lines of "leader, what do we do?". The back of a wheelchair will enter the frame showing a petite female arm and the episode will end with the voice of Kana Hanazawa saying "I failed to stop them again."

Then Despair 12 will open with Izuru asking the deceased Chiaki why he's crying. His analytic abilities conflict with this action. So to find out, he will rip off several pieces of his clothes to close all of Chiaki's wounds then use his doctoring talents to pump her heart until it's beating again. He'll then carry her to a place where an operation can be carried out.

no, she's dead.

Misdirection.

 

[RecRoulette]

I don't think this episode earned any of this bullshit they're trying to pull off, and Chiaki was my favorite character in DR2.

Didnt think Future and Despair would swap places. I think Future is a much better show.

 

[Bowlie]

Despair 10

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So, that happened.

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Even if Juzo's reason for betraying Munakata is understandable, it is still stupid. So you're acting like a stalker (?) around your best friend, and someone has blackmail on you. But considering the person is the one directly responsible for the death of almost the entire Student Council and the uprisng of the Reserve Course, I say romance issues and the awkwardness that would come from the revelation is worth it in order to stop this girl. Of course, I don't see Junko leaving him alive if he refused that offer, but the resolution of that scene felt forced.

Yeah, surely he'd think the fate of the school (including the people close to him, and the same person he's fond of) was more important than his feelings towards such person.

 

[Ryan_MSF]

Despair Side: Episode 10

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I'm not someone who easily feels things when i'm watching TV, playing games or watching movies. But I sit here typing this and i'm ruined. That entire episode, was absoloutely horrific. I don't know where to even begin about expressing how that made me feel, I sat with tears in my eyes at the end of the episode pleading with Izuru out loud to just save her. To do something.

Ugh. This series, I love it, I hate it. But tonight I genuinely feel as though i feel some real despair :_________:

 

[DICKS AHOY]

This is retroactively ruining part of DR2's point to me, damn.

Making Chiaki a real person and making the rest of the cast's descent into Despair far less personal or damning feels like an enormous mistake and cop out.

 

[sjay1994]

I genuinely hate the second half of despair arc, but man the last half of this episode was hard to watch.

And Juzo continues to be a fucking idiot.

 

[Taruranto]

So, let me get this straight, under the school there is:

1) The laboratory in which they performed all the kind of experiments and they kept Izuru
2) A secret room under the founder statue
3) DR1 Trial Room
4)

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A whole dungeon filled with cameras and traps

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Rest in Pieces Nanami, you Jun-Maeda tier cheap attempt to manipulate the viewers sympathy. Sad. The attempt is mean, not Nanami's death.

Oh yeah, I guess DR2 twist is officially ruined. Can we forgive these kids? Sure, why not, they watched a violent video with procedurally generated mind hacking and got brainwashed.

I'll admit I didn't expect Juzo to actually like Munakata. Yeah, I got the vibes too (especially in Future), but if I had 1$ for every time Japan backed down when it came to writing gay characters I would swim in gold.

The scenes with Chisa were intentionally wrote so it wasn't clear who he liked, eh. Junko even points it this episode. ("You like Chisa... lol j/k, it's actually Munakata you liked!) I have to give to Kodaka that he can write gay characters without reducing them to stereotype/jokes.

I guess Munakata killed him in the future because he realized he has been covering for Junko and later Chisa all these years.

DR2:

Values the concept of Hope to a disturbing degree (perhaps due to the fact that he routinely experiences good and bad luck). He condemns anyone or anything that has to do with Despair, but the irony is that his obsession with Hope leads to Despair itself.

DR3:

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She killed Nanami my hope lol.

I was hoping Nagito would have been spared by the video since he's already batshit insane and it's not like he would need a reason to love/hate Junko, but NOPE

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

This is retroactively ruining part of DR2's point to me, damn.

Making Chiaki a real person and making the rest of the cast's descent into Despair far less personal or damning feels like an enormous mistake and cop out.

Not only that, its ruining Future as well. Future is set up extremely well, because our hero is actually in the wrong. The Remnants of Despair are monsters, they aren't worth saving and they probably don't want to be saved. But Naegi is so stuck to his platitudes and ideals that he tries to save them anyway. At the same time, we as the players like those characters, which makes it even more difficult a pill to swallow.

Oh wait they were all brainwashed so its not really their fault at all. Suddenly all that stuff above is OUT THE WINDOW.

 

[Gradon]

Despair 10

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The most brutal episode. But fuck the ending. I am not happy that they suddenly love Junko and despair for torturing their class rep. That doesn't make any sense even in Danganronpa standards.

Oh well. Can't wait for the next Future episode after that cliffhanger </3

 

[Rich!]

I was hoping Nagito would have been spared by the video since he's already batshit insane and it's not like he would need a reason to love/hate Junko, but NOPE

actually...he hasn't been brainwashed. I think the scene made it quite clear.

http://i.imgur.com/DwADQFv.png

http://i.imgur.com/QMXnDyx.png

http://i.imgur.com/WRE1sVj.jpg

Look at his face. Listen to his voice and what he is saying. Look at his positioning in the middle of everyone else. The rest are in despair. Nagito however is crying tears of joy. He's absolutely happy and delighted - because of the despair that will allow him to discover true hope. He hasn't changed. I think UDG also shows this very well. He's the same old nagito in everything we've seen, even after Junko's plan. He didn't fall into despair. He fell even further into a deranged belief of hope.

It's safe to say that the episode showed very clearly that Nagito is key here. And even more so than before, I feel the end of Future will likely be Nagito vs Izuru and Makoto.

 

[Ludger Kresnik]

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Even if Juzo's reason for betraying Munakata is understandable, it is still stupid. So you're acting like a stalker (?) around your best friend, and someone has blackmail on you. But considering the person is the one directly responsible for the death of almost the entire Student Council and the uprisng of the Reserve Course, I say romance issues and the awkwardness that would come from the revelation is worth it in order to stop this girl. Of course, I don't see Junko leaving him alive if he refused that offer, but the resolution of that scene felt forced.

While I agree that Juzo did not take the right course of action at all, letting himself be exposed would most likely have lead to more than just "romance issues and awkwardness" for him. In a general sense, the state of LGBT issues in Japan isn't great. It's maybe not actively bad, but it would've been a huge blow to his reputation and possibly his relationship with Munakata, who was already in a relationship with a woman. Furthermore, he wasn't in a position to be thinking rationally at the time. To him he pretty much only had options A and B: let your relationship with your best friend who you're secretly in love with possibly go bad because he might think you're a gross pervert, or let this one really evil high school girl get off scot free. He made his choice and it was the wrong one, but it goes to show how much he valued his relationship with Munakata and that potentially losing his respect would be worth betraying him over. Juzo may have kinda ruined everything on multiple occasions, but they totally successfully manipulated me into thinking of him as ultimately very tragic.

I'm pretty firmly on the Juzo Defense Force now that I can relate to him on this level. I also can't help but respect them for actually having a gay character and taking him this seriously. This is really rare when it comes to anime and Japanese games.

 

[Mendrox]

I didn't like it

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

despair swirly eyes are fuckin dumb why is that an actual thing now

 

[Rich!]

despair swirly eyes are fuckin dumb why is that an actual thing now

uh, since the very start? danganronpa: trigger happy havoc:

dr2:

DRAE:

there's quite a few other examples too. I mean seriously, rag on DR3 as much as you want but just at least make your criticisms make at least a bit of sense.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

uh, since the very start? danganronpa: trigger happy havoc:

dr2:

there's quite a few other examples too. I mean seriously, rag on DR3 as much as you want but just at least make your criticisms make at least a bit of sense.

I mean no shit they make sense on those two but being a general despair thing is...lame? Isn't that what red eyes are for?

 

[Rich!]

I mean no shit they make sense on those two but being a general despair thing is...lame? Isn't that what red eyes are for?

...well, obviously? they are being fucking brainwashed, dude. of course their eyes are going to be swirling as much as a pair of boxers on a fast cycle

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Not only that, its ruining Future as well. Future is set up extremely well, because our hero is actually in the wrong. The Remnants of Despair are monsters, they aren't worth saving and they probably don't want to be saved. But Naegi is so stuck to his platitudes and ideals that he tries to save them anyway. At the same time, we as the players like those characters, which makes it even more difficult a pill to swallow.

Oh wait they were all brainwashed so its not really their fault at all. Suddenly all that stuff above is OUT THE WINDOW.

They flesh the DR2 cast out even less than they did for the cast in the truncated DR1 anime, so even if they could've made brainwashing work we don't have any real connection to these characters to feel much. It doesn't help they feel quite Flanders-ized compared to their game counterparts.

There's still a few moments I've really enjoyed in Despair, but all up it's definitely a wash for me. Weird how it retroactively fucks up DR2 while Future retroactively improves Ultra Despair Girls.

 

[Sky Interloper]

While I agree that Juzo did not take the right course of action at all, letting himself be exposed would most likely have lead to more than just "romance issues and awkwardness" for him. In a general sense, the state of LGBT issues in Japan isn't great. It's maybe not actively bad, but it would've been a huge blow to his reputation and possibly his relationship with Munakata, who was already in a relationship with a woman. Furthermore, he wasn't in a position to be thinking rationally at the time. To him he pretty much only had options A and B: let your relationship with your best friend who you're secretly in love with possibly go bad because he might think you're a gross pervert, or let this one really evil high school girl get off scot free. He made his choice and it was the wrong one, but it goes to show how much he valued his relationship with Munakata and that potentially losing his respect would be worth betraying him over. Juzo may have kinda ruined everything on multiple occasions, but they totally successfully manipulated me into thinking of him as ultimately very tragic.

I'm pretty firmly on the Juzo Defense Force now that I can relate to him on this level. I also can't help but respect them for actually having a gay character and taking him this seriously. This is really rare when it comes to anime and Japanese games.

I see your point, that's why I said it was understandable. It is a completely irrational decision to make because how much he valued his relationship with him over the state of the school. And it is in character for the both of their characterizations, but it sitll irks me that the reason Junko got away unscathed from the whole sequence of events is that she manipulated Juzo's feelings in order to force him to cover for her. It just felt like a cop out,to keep canon in line.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

So...

Spoiler

they actually managed to tie Chiaki dying into brainwashing into the DR2 cast's downfall. Yikes.

I didn't derive pleasure from seeing Chiaki get tortured itself, but I did enjoy seeing her in a state of mind other than the same optimistic and uplifting one she's basically been in throughout the entire series until now. Though, she was still being optimistic until the end, even filled with holes. And she's not Ultimate Hope?

Also, Juzo's a moron. But what else is new.

I mean no shit they make sense on those two but being a general despair thing is...lame? Isn't that what red eyes are for?

Swirly eyes wouldn't have been right for characters who aren't the insanely obsessed like Nagito and Junko under different circumstances, but brainwashing basically creates the same state of mind, I suppose.

 

[Kindekuma]

Man, I knew what was going to happen at the end of Despair arc, but god I still wasn't ready.

Also

Spoiler

Izuru stop being such a useless fuck.

 

[Ludger Kresnik]

I see your point, that's why I said it was understandable. It is a completely irrational decision to make because how much he valued his relationship with him over the state of the school. And it is in character for the both of their characterizations, but it sitll irks me that the reason Junko got away unscathed from the whole sequence of events is that she manipulated Juzo's feelings in order to force him to cover for her. It just felt like a cop out,to keep canon in line.

Can't argue with that. It didn't really bother me that much because I guess I'm just used to Despair being incredibly contrived.

 

[DNAbro]

Despair 10

Spoiler

Why couldn't they look away? Was Junko live editing this shit for the brainwashing to happen?Dumb dumb dumb dumb


But ugh it still fucking hurt watching Chiaki get slowly tortured to death. Fuck that wasn't okay.

Also I was shocked that they actually admitted Juzo loves Munakata. I was expecting only subtext and they went for it. Is Juzo a fucking idiot for not turning in Junko for something like that? Yes. But some respect for how they handled his character, I hated him at the start and kind of liked him by the end. Well Ruruka made Juzo look a lot better by comparison.

 

[Funyarinpa]

Spoiler

Juzo being confirmed gay was great although it doesn't make him any less of a fuck-up. I can agree that he's a somewhat tragic character, but to me he comes across as more comically incompetent.

I hope Chiaki is actually fucking dead because I can't really take a third copout seriously, that dialogue with Izuru was allready BS, though seeing him cry was a great moment.

Yeah, shitty turn of events on the "despair viiid! "

 

[Taruranto]

Personally I was hoping

Spoiler

Izuru would have killed Chiaki, but oh well.

By the way, in DR2, was Junko aware of the FF mole identity from the start? I can't recall.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Despair 10

Spoiler

Why couldn't they look away? Was Junko live editing this shit for the brainwashing to happen?Dumb dumb dumb dumb.

It makes no sense at all. What exactly are Mitarai's special anime making techniques supposed to even be?

Spoiler

They weren't watching an anime, what the heck.

 

[Red Frost]

Zero sympathy for Juzo. Dude has caused the collapse of society because he was too cowardly to tell his best friend his feelings.

 

[PK Gaming]

I don't get why some of you keep watching the series if you dislike it so much, you don't like it, ok, no problem, but do you really need to keep watching the show to trash every episode released?

You don't get to tell me what to do, buster!

I've got 1020 minutes available per day, losing 20~ minutes on a show is like a drop in a bucket.

And besides, you're implying I don't get any enjoyment out of the episodes (I do). It's just mixed in with good ole fashion Despair.

 

[kewlmyc]

It makes no sense at all. What exactly are Mitarai's special anime making techniques supposed to even be?

Spoiler

They weren't watching an anime, what the heck.

I assume it was playing underneath the livestream of Chaiki dying/being tortured.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

As much as I massively dislike parts of DR3, Juzo isn't one of them, surprisingly. He's had a turn around, a flawed one but a turnaround. In a game I could see him being one of my favorite characters.

 

[Taruranto]

I assume it was playing underneath the livestream of Chaiki dying/being tortured.

Dangaronpa Nanomachines.

Also

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I assume it was playing underneath the livestream of Chaiki dying/being tortured.

What.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Dangaronpa Nanomachines.

Also

I still think this sucks but what did the JP version say? Anyone know

 

[SuperBowser]

Eh. Too many characters are plain unlikable/pure idiots in this show. At least Juzo's characterization improved.

On top of that, introducing a lame brainwashing technique to explain away everything kinda ruined it for me. If brainwashing (with no other tricks) is the sole twist of Future arc, I regret watching this show at all.

 

[The Silver]

Well I knew this was coming so yeah whatever, just wish they could have left Nagito out. He's the one person there who would've worked for Junko without any need for brainwashing or manipulation.

The only solace I have is the thought that maybe video actually didn't work on him and those swirly eyes appeared cause its Nagito and he had them even before he came to Hope's Peak

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Dangaronpa Nanomachines.

Also

There's always the justification that that could have simply been a lie crafted by Junko, but then there's everything else that hints otherwise in other media. The darker parts of the DR2 cast's stories were not explored in this anime at all.

One part that I find to be troublesome now is the fact that Junko isn't making people obsessed with her and her desires, but making people solely obsessed with the concept of despair. It's an important distinction, because the ideology behind the cult-like worship towards Junko hasn't been justified, as the worship from the brainwashed should be for despair itself.

Perhaps everyone loving Junko and doing anything for her comes from the fact that she's the Ultimate Despair, and therefore is basically the manifestation of what the brainwashed seek. I dunno, I feel that kinda puts into question why some would then want to attach her arm to themselves after her death, though. Maybe I'm overthinking it.

 

[kewlmyc]

What.

A very dumb way of me trying to say subliminal messages. Like how in some movie theaters back in the day, they would have Coke commercials playing underneath the actual movie that was playing. It would explain why they couldn't look away from the screen.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

There's always the justification that that could have simply been a lie crafted by Junko, but then there's everything else that hints otherwise in other media. The darker parts of the DR2 cast's stories were not explored in this anime at all.

Even if you do accept that was a lie by Junko (which you can do for a lot of things) it doesn't make for a satisfying narrative.

 

[StarSketch]

It makes no sense at all. What exactly are Mitarai's special anime making techniques supposed to even be?

Spoiler

They weren't watching an anime, what the heck.

Mitarai was just using techniques that could be used for any visual medium on his anime.
Theoretically, Junko's videos could use it too, without being 'anime.'

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Even if you do accept that was a lie by Junko (which you can do for a lot of things) it doesn't make for a satisfying narrative.

Of course, that goes without saying.

Mitarai was just using techniques that could be used for any visual medium on his anime.

Might as well be the Ultimate something else at that rate, then. It's such an awfully simplistic, throwaway explanation for the phenomenon. I don't like it.

We're to assume that the Ultimate Analyst, with a better human understanding than an Ultimate Animator, couldn't come up with those techniques herself?

Maybe she doesn't know how to operate Final Cut Pro.

 

[PK Gaming]

Dangaronpa Nanomachines.

Also

Jesus christ

I was looking for this for ages. The perfect response to "b-but DR2 had brainwashing too"

 

[Flame Lord]

Despair 10

Spoiler

They dragged Chiaki's life so long I was expecting her to have been despair'd and ended up being the mastermind, so I'm kinda surprised they just offed her in the end. And man, that "local man ruins everything" pic with Juzo is only more right now. I understand it would suck to be outed, especially to the person you secretly love, but this wasn't a case of "Don't tell the teacher that I cheated on the test or I'll out you!" it was "Don't tell the teacher that I murdered and brainwashed half the school and I plan on continuing to or I'll out you!"