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Danganronpa 3 The End of Hope's Peak Academy |OT| Nagito Komaeda's Wild Ride Part Two
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Chisa?
GoldandBlue
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Chisa has a photo of her using a strategy guide to beat a game. She promised not to tell anyone in keeping her despair a secret.
A Link to the Past
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Fair enough
Yeah, calling it - Izuru went into the NWP to save them (all the while struggling with the battle between himself and Hajime).
The Creator
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Wouldn't think so. Remember that in UDG's ending he's the one that rescues Junko AI. Maaaaaybe he could have brought both of them into the simulation but i don't really think so. We won't have a satisfying answer because many things we're clearly retconned.
RecRoulette
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Why would anyone expect anything else at this point
lazyproblems
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Y'know, I would not at all be shocked if Izuru's Ultimate Luck kicks in and helps her pull through. Or him having saved her with some other Ultimate Ability that keeps her on life support or something. We still need a 13th Branch leader, so she could still be alive somehow.
I still fully believe Kyoko's alive.
Hiro's fortune could still come true too, and everyone lives happily ever after.
Unless they mind wiped her like the DR1 cast.
Sky Interloper
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I wouldn't go as far as calling him a good guy. He has shown no emotional response to anything beyond something that triggers a different response from boredom, even allowing Junko to continue her schemes in a ploy for getting an interesting behavior out of it. If anything, he just works in self-interest; if it happens to be inline with what people call "good actions," then so be it.
Trigonometrize.
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Because I can totally see how writing a third killing game akin to DR1 and 2 would be very difficult and ultimately contrived. The rebooting of the world was a good solution that would surely help the series creatively.
I like the idea of Izuru only being complicit with the fall of society as a means to somehow save Chiaki. I have zero clue what kind of convoluted explanation they'd have for it, but it would be a nice development to make the viewer conflicted because in that situation, he absolutely would not be a "good" guy.
Which would make sense. Chiaki is the only person (or thing) he's shown any real interest in.
Despair 10
Finally got around to watching it.
Strange episode. Nothing bad happened. They retconned the series so Junko loses, and the games no longer occur. Oh and then the scene where Izuru uses his various talents to make everyone the ultimate sundae to eat was especially outlandish, but hey Danganronpa is a weird series.
Yes, this is what happened.
Finally got around to watching it.
Strange episode. Nothing bad happened. They retconned the series so Junko loses, and the games no longer occur. Oh and then the scene where Izuru uses his various talents to make everyone the ultimate sundae to eat was especially outlandish, but hey Danganronpa is a weird series.
Yes, this is what happened.
dakkumauji
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a theory is that, that's how he lured the dr2 kids into the new world program, by saying they could become junko with the ai junko being installed into them
i still like my theory that he just goes and single handly captured everyone one by one instead
Duuno, DR2 Chapter 5: The fantastic Adventures of Hopeman had some gruesome imagery, and it hit harder than this one tbh.
The Bankslammer
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ape escape clone where you run around capturing remnants of despair when
Not when that one guy got turned to butter. Haunts me to this day.
Butter man. Freaking, butter.
lazyproblems
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Last week's Chisa scenes were more haunting, depressing and darker. DR2 case 5 was also a lot more touching and despair inducing.
First killing game still more visibly gruesome. We just didn't know or care about those characters.
What about the tragedy of hopes peak academy? That was hard to watch
No.
Yeah that shovel kill was the worst
A Link to the Past
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Well, think about this: Junko refers to Hajime as Izuru when he comes back in Super Saiyan form, which suggests that she understood a possibility in Izuru that he could do good overcome despair (if he even had it in him in the first place). So perhaps the Izuru part of him is what helped him defeat AE Junko.
I definitely like the theory that Izuru brought the Remnants together. If we consider the UDG scene too, he violently punches Shirokuma and Kurokuma, suggesting that he hates Junko - he didn't express hate for her in DR3 as we have seen. We don't even necessarily know that he did anything with that, that he may have just wanted to shut them up. I'm guessing that he did, but it's a possibility.
Also, something to consider: why does AE Chiaki exist? When she died, it's certainly not as though Chiaki could have known her. Thus, it stands to reason that Izuru - the only one not corrupted by despair - helped to create AE Chiaki.
daemonkiller92
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Wow, just wow. I could have gone through life with the DR2 twist that
. But I just couldn't resist watching this... Holy shit, that seemed way more brutal than necessary. I get what they were going for, but man, screw the whole episode altogether.
Though, I expected
so they had some symmetry, but nope.
At least we'll see some more
... Yay?
Chiaki was an AI and been a bit sad, nothing more
Though, I expected
Chiaki to die like in the game, to be crushed by a falling block at the end,
At least we'll see some more
Remnants Of Despair action
RecRoulette
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When the student council killed each other? I agree.
After the convoluted path it took to get there, Chiaki's death was just torture porn. No substance to it.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Not even close. The scene when you find Nagito's body is straight up dread.
Chiaki is adorable and this episode was VERY VERY hard to watch.
But the most despairful moment of this franchise ... is Leon's execution. It's a huge, huge jolt, especially once it's over and you see the shadows of what's left of him.
Trigonometrize.
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We agree on a lot of things in this series I think. Nagito's body discovery is crazy haunting. Chills every time I turn up the volume high.
Especially since you knew it would eventually come... and the way it happens.. ugh.
Even still, when you find Nagito all bound up and that spike in him? god damn.
That's because you know shit just got real.
i dunno man
I find that scene to be absolutely awe-inspiring. it's so fucking clever. highlight of the entire game.
whereas I would struggle to rewatch despair 10.
The Silver
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The best part about finding Nagito's body was wondering which one of the people left had that much malice in them that they'd torture the guy like that. Suicide could have ended up being disappointing but Nagito was so fucking insane it actually ended up being better.
It's why I hope there's no brainwashing shit going on with Ruruka's death, they can't recapture Nagito.
It's why I hope there's no brainwashing shit going on with Ruruka's death, they can't recapture Nagito.
CielTynave
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Pretty much this, I started watching the dub but now I'm definitely not going to keep going, I never want to watch this episode again. As gruesome as it was, the student council killing didn't really bother me all that much because we didn't know or care about any of these characters, but this...
ShinRPGamer
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Started watching this yesterday after deciding not to wait until the series concluded. A couple of thoughts so far after four episodes of Future and three episodes of despair.
Future is a lot better than despair in regards to tone, setting and general enjoyment. The first two episodes of despair was just the DR2 cast faffing about with little in the way of plot progression and has only begun in the 3rd episode
One thing I both like and dislike about Despair is largely focusing on Hajime and Chiaki. While more Chiaki is nice and I can finally see how Hajime became Izuru the fact that characters like Ibuki and Gundham basically get shafted is someone I'm disappointed by.
Sakakura is an asshole and I just know he's going to be one of the survivors because we always get that one asshole that makes it to the end.
Aoi's not-death was such a cop-out. I thought they had the balls to actually kill a surviving DR1 character but I guess not. Gozu getting axe'd was not surprising given his archetype in DR means you're gonna die.
Bandai's death was basically "well that happened" for me. So sudden and yet I felt nothing.
Yasuhiro will do something to muck up the villains plan. I can feel it.
Overall I'd say Future is pretty good so far while Despair is kinda alright. I'll probably be caught up by the end of this week so maybe I'll be able to contribute to the ongoing discussion.
Future is a lot better than despair in regards to tone, setting and general enjoyment. The first two episodes of despair was just the DR2 cast faffing about with little in the way of plot progression and has only begun in the 3rd episode
One thing I both like and dislike about Despair is largely focusing on Hajime and Chiaki. While more Chiaki is nice and I can finally see how Hajime became Izuru the fact that characters like Ibuki and Gundham basically get shafted is someone I'm disappointed by.
Sakakura is an asshole and I just know he's going to be one of the survivors because we always get that one asshole that makes it to the end.
Aoi's not-death was such a cop-out. I thought they had the balls to actually kill a surviving DR1 character but I guess not. Gozu getting axe'd was not surprising given his archetype in DR means you're gonna die.
Bandai's death was basically "well that happened" for me. So sudden and yet I felt nothing.
Yasuhiro will do something to muck up the villains plan. I can feel it.
Overall I'd say Future is pretty good so far while Despair is kinda alright. I'll probably be caught up by the end of this week so maybe I'll be able to contribute to the ongoing discussion.
Bandai's death was just basically "THIS IS WHAT YOUR NG WILL DO TO YOU. SO YOU'D BETTER FOLLOW THE RULES UPUPUPU." (His was pretty stupid though, but that was the point)
I was much happier knowing Chiaki was just an AI, really.
Future is by far the better of the two.
A Link to the Past
Banned
What if Izuru is leaving the island to save the Future Foundation
There's a lot of contenders for most brutal scene. Leon's execution sticks out because it's a holdover from Distrust. But even then, there's stuff I'd put over it. Jataro's "masterpiece", Nagito, first killing game, RealChiaki execution, hacksaw self-decapitation. I think Mondo's is the most fucked up to think about, especially after Kodaka's explanation. RealChiaki's death is by far the most heartbreaking because of the struggling and the fact she's a very likable character.
But I still say the most brutal scene is first killing game's shovel death. It's just unmitigated cruelty, complete with screams and insistence on how painful it is. It's something I'd expect out of Corpse Party, not Danganronpa.
But I still say the most brutal scene is first killing game's shovel death. It's just unmitigated cruelty, complete with screams and insistence on how painful it is. It's something I'd expect out of Corpse Party, not Danganronpa.
Funyarinpa
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Nah, the saddest is Mikan's confession/Leon's execution to me (neither of them did nothing wrong for me)
Yeah, the most horrific was this one.
duuuude... OUCH
The most harrowing moment is probably when the cast realizes that they have to trust Komaeda's luck in Case 2-5. The most depressing is probably the AI Chiaki's execution (I still don't get how she returned in Case 2-6 or how Hajime was really able to wake up to the real world unless AI Junko lied, but that's besides the point.)
The Zetsubou 10 scene could have been a contender but there was just no buildup to it. I haven't taken either Arc all that seriously for like the last 4-5 episodes, so I just watch for entertainment now. Taken seriously, Zetsubou is a trainwreck and Future is underwhelming.
DrunkShogun
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Only question after this episode is who the hell designed chiaki Ai because no one who would be involved ever came across her.
Izuru is an Ultimate Programmer.
DrunkShogun
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That makes it more depressing when you look at Danganronpa 2.
That's pretty much what this episode led me to believe.
Izuru uploaded Junko AI but also created Chiaki AI possibly in order to put them on a more even ground of is Hope or Despair stronger.
... Of course Hajime still had to overcome Izuru himself...
Distrust? And what did he say about Mondo's execution?
A Link to the Past
Banned
As far as Nagito being the mastermind, Rich!, I agree with you - but I think that he is not at the Future Foundation HQ yet. The scene where he has things happen to his liking wrt the practical exams was foreshadowing the fact that he was at some point involved, to some extent, with it, but he doesn't need to be there for the plan to go off with a bang.
And as far as Izuru being the one who programmed AE Chiaki... I don't know if that is the case, but I do think that he is the only one who could have, since Chihiro would have no reason to do so himself. Further, Usami and AE Chiaki discuss their father, but also their big brother, implying one of three things.
1. Chihiro made them, and AE Chihiro is their big brother.
2. Izuru made them and AE Chihiro.
3. Izuru made them, but made an additional AE.
...
Okay, let's get crazy
AE Chiaki and Usami's older brother
Is AE Hajime
Hajime in the game was never recovered memories, but an AE created by Izuru. He intended to have this AE be uploaded into his brain so that he could go back to being good ol' Hajime again
That was the worst theory I've ever made lol
EDIT: Also, Chiaki's execution in 3 is definitely the worst one. Nagito's was shocking, and to some extent you were mortified that it had happened to him, but at the same time, watching Chiaki suffering across a dungeon was painful, and watching her dying with regret was one of the hardest things to watch in the series for me. No shit Izuru cried
And as far as Izuru being the one who programmed AE Chiaki... I don't know if that is the case, but I do think that he is the only one who could have, since Chihiro would have no reason to do so himself. Further, Usami and AE Chiaki discuss their father, but also their big brother, implying one of three things.
1. Chihiro made them, and AE Chihiro is their big brother.
2. Izuru made them and AE Chihiro.
3. Izuru made them, but made an additional AE.
...
Okay, let's get crazy
AE Chiaki and Usami's older brother
Is AE Hajime
Hajime in the game was never recovered memories, but an AE created by Izuru. He intended to have this AE be uploaded into his brain so that he could go back to being good ol' Hajime again
That was the worst theory I've ever made lol
EDIT: Also, Chiaki's execution in 3 is definitely the worst one. Nagito's was shocking, and to some extent you were mortified that it had happened to him, but at the same time, watching Chiaki suffering across a dungeon was painful, and watching her dying with regret was one of the hardest things to watch in the series for me. No shit Izuru cried
mugurumakensei
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well, there's really no question that's the case now. Izuru/Hajime is most likely the true ultimate hope for humanity. even stripped of memories, even with all his talent, even though he's bored of life, he still cares for humanity. I also imagine what they actually gave him is the ultimate analyst ability. Junko has been shown as capable of the exact same feats with her ultimately analyst ability, but she lacks the heart of Hajime which allows Izuru to propel even beyond Junko.
He straight up says he has Ultimate Luck and he defeats Nagito with it.
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